So does this make the GTO slightly better than the x800 vanilla. Plus, it will probably have oc potential than the vanilla too, as long as its not r430, right?
Oc potential is supposed to be better. Maybe someone will find a mod to open all the pipes. Now that would increase sales. :beer:
Sheesh, Ronnn. They've said they've isolated the problem and are working on it.
At the settings you run at with 7800s the "problem" is barely noticeable, I actually had to look for it.
Notice how only one German website brought this to light? Why weren't Anand, H, B3d, FS, Extreme Tech etc. all putting "OMG! nVidia's new GPU is unusable!" in their reviews, or even mentioning it? Maybe they didn't even notice it?
It concerned me that German article used 10X7 8X AF Quality benchmarks of UT2004 to test this, why such a low end setting that you would never use with a 7800? Even someone with a 19" LCD can do 12X10, so I set it to one 7800GTX, 12X10 4X MS AA, 16X AF, High Quality, and played three outdoor levels of UT2004.
Know what I found? Framerates in the 80-120 range. Shimmer in 1/3 levels, in a couple spots, that I wouldn't have even noticed if I was actually playing the game instead of running/driving around looking at the ground.
The R300 had this issue at first as well, I believe due to the angle dependent AF IIRC. If ATIs driver team can solve it, I'm sure nVidia's can figure it out as well.
As usual, you take any little driver issue nVidia has and harp on it like it's a deal breaker when it's barely noticeable to most. You could use a better hobby.
Originally posted by: Hacp
X actually means 10, so X100 is 10100. Not THAT bad compared to 10900 if you look at it that way.
Also, I always thought GTO meant GT overclocked.
hehe...nope, Dell sold the Nvidia 6800GTO (i have one) and it means UNDERclocked...lol
came at 350/900 with 12/5 and was PCI-E only flavour.....luckily they fooked up slightly and u could overclock them quite happily as it is a GT cooler (at least im pretty sure it is) and the RAM is 256MB of GDDR3 goodness...heh...and if you was extra lucky you could unlock the pipes/vs and they would work.....mine do after a fashion, everything except Source based games...i get sparklies in source if i use the unlocked pipes for some reason, but not in other games :-(
given i play CS:S a lot this sucks...heh
but basically for the last year i've been playing with an Ultra for less than the price of a GT...heh.....except in Source, then it was more like playing with a GT for a cheaper price (those 4 pipes and extra vs count for more than you think they would....lol)
Maybe the 256mb vers with fast GDR3 ram, otherwise they are basically the same and this might make the X800 12-pipe vanilla price drop when they drop that SKU for the X800GTO. Despite what is being ragged on here about multiple part #'s, the X800 12-pipe is probably the best bang for the buck right now if you find the right one configured with decent ram.
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So im an Nvidia fan boy because ATI has released the same product at least 4 times. We have the X800 Vanilla, X800GT, X800GTO; stop releasing these cards again and again and focus on the new cards!!!
As for the more than one generation back.... please notice that i am running a card 2 generations back, so dont tell me what i should appreciate.
As i said this is ridiculous. No on cares about rereleasing an old product again and again (and im not referring to the R3x/4x core), release the product that people have been wanting for the past 3 months. Release the product that is going to make a helluva lot more money than this crap.
If you didn't notice, it seems that even Kristopher Kubicki is getting fed up with this constant rereleasing.
-Kevin
No I don't think you are a Nvidia fanboy because of the latest releases from Ati.
Since you find it ridiculous that Ati is dumping excess chips into the mainstream, don't buy Ati ever again!
:beer:
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SO dump it in the form of one chip. Dont make 432283400 different names for one product and keep releasing them.
-Kevin
-Kevin
LOL, if you guys think that is ridiculous, Intel is launching a 945GT chipset soon too. I will probably publish an Intel roadmap later today.
Kristopher
Kristopher
Identifying these subtle changes may come in handy for future modding, or overclocking. If new names for small changes bother you - certainly don't buy any of the oc models - or actually don't buy computer parts.
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Ronnn what are you trying to argue. No one here can deny that ATI is walking all over themselves here. Sure release these new parts, to increase sales and get rid of old stock; but all the while you are killing sales on your other cards. You cannot argue that ATI is making a stupid move here.
Goodness. Everyone likes GT ... It is good to see that some of the editors are now posting (just like old times!!!). It is good to see that the big guys are still here
Goodness. Everyone likes GT
... It is good to see that some of the editors are now posting (just like old times!!!). It is good to see that the big guys are still here This cards performance does fall into a new segment between X800 Standard and X800 Pro. But I wonder if this segement is large enough for the introduction of a card in here.
If selling nice cards for very good prices is a stupid move .............. not really my problem. I just buy for good value and let companies worry about their profit margins. Besides I am in no position to evaluate the effectiveness of this decision.
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This is not about selling cards for good prices. They have renamed the chip over and over again. By trying to increase sales and empty inventory they are killing sales of their other components because they have so many cards that are within 1-2% of each other.
Think about this, i dont see how you can possibly attempt to argue this point.
-Kevin
Think about this, i dont see how you can possibly attempt to argue this point.
-Kevin
I for one dont think it's stupid. Kevin, what other sales are they killing by releasing more x800 models? If they give the mid-range buyer (where many more sales are made) more options, how can that possibly be stupid?
I think the range is a little higher than 1 - 2%, especially when taking oc potential into account. If you think Ati is stupid, well offer to solve their problems. For us consumers the issue is $'s for performance and these new sku's are certainly competative. Really I am not argueing if Ati has too many models, mainly because I don't care. To repeat my interest is in $'s for performance.
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Because with more options they wont be buying the other products. You dont think just because they have added another million products they added another million buyers. THe models around it (X800, X800GT, X800SE are all essentially the same give or take a couple mhz) aren't going to recieve the sales because they consumer bought one of the other products.
More options are fine. Low High End, Mid High End, High High End, but having 4 products with almost identical specs and no product to directly compete with the oppositions latest and greatest is not the smartest thing in the world.
-Kevin
More options are fine. Low High End, Mid High End, High High End, but having 4 products with almost identical specs and no product to directly compete with the oppositions latest and greatest is not the smartest thing in the world.
-Kevin
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And therefore they should scale linearly. All they are dong is realeasing slightly higher or lower clocked cards.
As for the 1-2%
.... i was obviously exaggerating there, but there isn't enough of a difference to make it worthwhile for a new product.A very good way to put this is, having a refresh of a refresh of a refresh (and now) of a refresh. All they are doing is modifying the exact same card. There isn't a logical difference in the card such as the X800Pro to the X800XT.
Im not saying ATI is a bad company or anything. I just dont see any positive outcome for what they are doing right now.
-Kevin
I thought the positive outcome was very good prices. They can call them what they want. Same as a ultra, ultra oc , non-ultra ultra or whatever - business as usual - consumer must research or may be disapointed.
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The "chip" is still X800, you have a FX 5900 yourself, a chip that NV partners made more than a few "competing" products for...I recall that being good for the buyers since the prices dropped, and good for NV since they were clearing out Inventory for the next part even when it was competeing against both the high and low end and plenty of confusing naming conventions.
The "outrage" of the folks that aren't contemplating an X800 card purchase is hilarious though...keep it up
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They made no where near this many SKU's.
5900XT/SE (Unofficial, but the same as the Vanilla, some manf clocked them slightly lower with 2.6 nanosecond memory rather than 2.2 IIRC)
5900 (Official, but the same as the 5900XT)
5900U
5950U
I dont know of any other SKU's official or not.
Ronn you make a good point. While it can get annoying as we all know that there is very little difference, it is good for the consumer. WHile it isn't good for ATI, the consumer can get the same chip with a different name for a lower price.
I wont buy an X800 because:
A. I am interested in longetivity. While, the X800 cards aren't bad, i want SM3 and all the nifty-but-somewhat-useless-right-now features.
B. I am waiting for the R520/7800GTX generation to be played out. I normally skip a generation. The card before my 5900XT was a Geforce 2Ti. So as you can see i hold on to my parts for a really long time
-Kevin
5900XT/SE (Unofficial, but the same as the Vanilla, some manf clocked them slightly lower with 2.6 nanosecond memory rather than 2.2 IIRC)
5900 (Official, but the same as the 5900XT)
5900U
5950U
I dont know of any other SKU's official or not.
Ronn you make a good point. While it can get annoying as we all know that there is very little difference, it is good for the consumer. WHile it isn't good for ATI, the consumer can get the same chip with a different name for a lower price.
I wont buy an X800 because:
A. I am interested in longetivity. While, the X800 cards aren't bad, i want SM3 and all the nifty-but-somewhat-useless-right-now features.
B. I am waiting for the R520/7800GTX generation to be played out. I normally skip a generation. The card before my 5900XT was a Geforce 2Ti. So as you can see i hold on to my parts for a really long time
-Kevin
it is very possible they are just clearing inventory for this quarter. their fiscal quarter ends at the end of august, and i think rather than write off all these likely failed x850xt or x800xl cores , they can sell them instead of having to report and inventory buildup.
these defective r480/423/430 cores, are probably already shipped, and put on cards and i bet will be on the streets in a week or 2. same with the x800gt cards.
seems like a sound business move, regardless of the slight confusion by consumers, for ATIs bottom line it was probably worth doing.
these defective r480/423/430 cores, are probably already shipped, and put on cards and i bet will be on the streets in a week or 2. same with the x800gt cards.
seems like a sound business move, regardless of the slight confusion by consumers, for ATIs bottom line it was probably worth doing.
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