X800GTO Specs Inside

[Gamingphreek]

And im asking "Why then am i waiting for them to release their card before i begin ordering my parts??"

I would definitely call that considering. And once again whatever card meets my requirements listed above i will buy. This isn't that hard. FOr motherboards, yes i prefer Nvidia, im not going to be foolhardy and not recommend anything else or say that ATI is bad. Just for the motheboards i prefer the Nforce as of right now. As for Video cards i could care less. I told my dad to buy (back then) a 9600XT over a 5700. I myself would have bought the MSI NX9800Pro had it been cheaper and had VIVO back then.

You keep trying to make it out that i am a fanboy when im not. None of my comments, nor any of my posts say this.

-Kevin

Btw: Do a search for my Video Card FAQ. In there i recommend the ATI cards plenty of times.

 

[rbV5]

And im asking "Why then am i waiting for them to release their card before i begin ordering my parts??"

I wouldn't speculate, but the 7800 prices are dropping, so the longer you wait, the better they look from a value standpoint. (I see 7800 GT's at ~ $380 today)

 

[rbV5]

Oddly enough, even though the X800GT got incredible resentment from the majority of our readers, the fact is that ATI sold a ton of chips in a very short period of time. So much so that Tier 1 partners are having trouble securing more chips, which is probably the primary reason why X800GTO showed up on the radar. A few Tier 1 guys that we all know and love are actually countering the X800GT with extremely favorably clocked 256MB X800 vanilla cards instead. An X800 vanilla running at say, 800MHz memory clock would still not be able to match the memory bandwidth of a near-1000MHz GDDR3 X800GT, but the additional pipes give it a much better fill rate. More details on that in the near future as well...

Link

Gee, lookie there.

OOPs edited for quotes.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo


OK Blingbling, I hereby criticize ATI for lack of: .......


I have confidence in nVidia's driver team, and that they will fix this "problem" that you've never seen and therefore can't comment on.

Well now that you are finished with the repetative ati rant, you have to stop and admit that these new sku's are a nice deal and will force nvidia to drop prices in lower segments or develop even more fantastic drivers. :wine:

He pointed out what was "missing" to him (VIVO on 6800GTs) I pointed out what was "missing" to me (my list). Seems fair.

I honestly don't care if ATI "releases" a "new" SM2 card every hour on the hour, the only thing I want to see from them is the R520 line.

And you are in this thread for what reason? :disgust:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Ok they sold a lot of GT's. Did sales of the GTO, the Vanilla, and the SE remain the same.

I would think that releasing the R520 would account for FAR FAR greater sales then another X800 release.

-Kevin

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As Rollo said, this is an enthusiast board, and we are discussing enthusiast parts.

Why are you, Rollo and Kristopher posting about this in here? I have also noticed more than one review about onboard graphics in Anandtech. Seems as soon as Ati gets good press, the subject is out of bounds with the nvidia crowd? Anyhows looks like ati is selling tons and now has an AIW version.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ok they sold a lot of GT's. Did sales of the GTO, the Vanilla, and the SE remain the same.

I would think that releasing the R520 would account for FAR FAR greater sales then another X800 release.

-Kevin

R520 may not have as much affect on lower end sales as the new lower end chips would since they likely won't compete in the same space, I don't think you are going to see any 520 cards <$200 for some time.

Who knows when these chips sell out if they are going to get more in the channel or not, like I said, all the cards aren't always available all the time, the sell what they have even if it means cutting the prices or raising the clocks to do it. I doubt when Nvidia dumped all the NV30 chips that it had much affect on NV40 chip sales, yet the Nv partners snatched them all up in short order.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

He pointed out what was "missing" to him (VIVO on 6800GTs)

VIVO is MIA on the entire 6800 line not just the GT. That leaves quite a gap between the 6600 cards and the 7800 cards if you want VIVO functions, it is a good point in that respect.

Oh noes! VIVO missing from 6800s! Well, you can buy two 6600GT VIVOs and have very close to 6800GT performance and VIVO.

All the stuff I listed you can't have on any ATI card, period.

So if you want to think not having VIVO functionality on the 6800s, when $375 7800GTs have it and are far better anyway, compares to the list I put up feel free to give your friends that "good" advice.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
How many more times is ATI going to walk all over themselves!? This is getting ridiculous.

Release the next gen cards already.

-Kevin

So where is the problem? Ati is just dumping chips (at great prices) in preparation for next gen. If rumour is correct the lower range next gen is ready for release. Some of these editions are going to turn into great overclockers and may even be moddable, but if the nvidia types don't like them, well don't buy them or if it makes you happy flame them. Some of us more than one generation back may appreciate a budget card that rocks with todays games. :music:

thats my take 😉

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

As Rollo said, this is an enthusiast board, and we are discussing enthusiast parts.

Why are you, Rollo and Kristopher posting about this in here? I have also noticed more than one review about onboard graphics in Anandtech. Seems as soon as Ati gets good press, the subject is out of bounds with the nvidia crowd? Anyhows looks like ati is selling tons and now has an AIW version.

You GO Ronnn! Tell us why Kristopher shouldn't be in this thread when he just works here[/b]!
:roll:

I'm in this thread because I try to correct misinformation and spin whereever I see it, especially if it involves anything that might convince people to buy currently inferior ATI products.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Why are you, Rollo and Kristopher posting about this in here?

Well the Video forum seemed appropriate to discuss Video Cards.

I have also noticed more than one review about onboard graphics in Anandtech. Seems as soon as Ati gets good press, the subject is out of bounds with the nvidia crowd?

I never said it was bad or it recieved bad press. I did say that it is irrevelant concerning the topic that we are discussing. I also said that we are comparing the X800GT, SE, Vanilla, and GTO). Integrated parts have no role in that.

Anyhows looks like ati is selling tons and now has an AIW version.

Ok so the GT is selling tons. Is the GTO doing as well? Is the Vanilla doing as well? Is the SE doing as well? More than likely sales on one or more of the other cards dropped.

A good example is the the XL came out. When that was released i am willing to bet the X800Pro didn't sell nearly as much as it did prior to the XL's release.

-Kevin

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

I'm in this thread because I try to correct misinformation and spin whereever I see it, especially if it involves anything that might convince people to buy currently inferior ATI products.

Well please tell us of other cards in the same price range that out perform these and explain exactly what is superior.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Why are you, Rollo and Kristopher posting about this in here?

Well the Video forum seemed appropriate to discuss Video Cards.

I have also noticed more than one review about onboard graphics in Anandtech. Seems as soon as Ati gets good press, the subject is out of bounds with the nvidia crowd?

I never said it was bad or it recieved bad press. I did say that it is irrevelant concerning the topic that we are discussing. I also said that we are comparing the X800GT, SE, Vanilla, and GTO). Integrated parts have no role in that.

Anyhows looks like ati is selling tons and now has an AIW version.

Ok so the GT is selling tons. Is the GTO doing as well? Is the Vanilla doing as well? Is the SE doing as well? More than likely sales on one or more of the other cards dropped.

A good example is the the XL came out. When that was released i am willing to bet the X800Pro didn't sell nearly as much as it did prior to the XL's release.

-Kevin

In order, my first post was in response to your comment that we are here to discuss enthusiast parts only. Actually it looks now like we agree that all graphics solutions are open for discussion. So if the gto is selling tons - some of those people may have felt that the competition had a better product last month - but now bought a gto. It is a stretch, but I do see some potential gain for Ati in terms of sales. If as you say Ati is shooting itself in the foot - than one would have to assume that Ati graphics are in huge trouble and this is a last gasp fire sale. The flip side would be that Ati's upcoming mid range offerings are so strong that their current chips have lost most of their value anyways. Likely the truth is somewhere in the middle as per usual. :beer:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

I'm in this thread because I try to correct misinformation and spin whereever I see it, especially if it involves anything that might convince people to buy currently inferior ATI products.

Well please tell us of other cards in the same price range that out perform these and explain exactly what is superior.

If you haven't noticed, mostly I'm posting in this thread lately to refute the "VIVO is missing" assertion of Blingbling.

You can get a MSI 6600GT VIVO for $158 AMIR, you can get two for $316 if you need approximately 6800GT performance. For $375, you can get a VIVO 7800GT that is better than any other single card except the $500 7800GTX with VIVO.

To nit pick that "all 6800s are missing VIVO" is a weak point. People can get VIVO fuinctionality on a wide range of nVidia based products.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

I'm in this thread because I try to correct misinformation and spin whereever I see it, especially if it involves anything that might convince people to buy currently inferior ATI products.

Well please tell us of other cards in the same price range that out perform these and explain exactly what is superior.

If you haven't noticed, mostly I'm posting in this thread lately to refute the "VIVO is missing" assertion of Blingbling.

You can get a MSI 6600GT VIVO for $158 AMIR, you can get two for $316 if you need approximately 6800GT performance. For $375, you can get a VIVO 7800GT that is better than any other single card except the $500 7800GTX with VIVO.

To nit pick that "all 6800s are missing VIVO" is a weak point. People can get VIVO fuinctionality on a wide range of nVidia based products.

So which one of these cards you mentionned is in the same price range and exactly how is it superior to the "currently inferior" x800gt?

 

[rbV5]

If you haven't noticed, mostly I'm posting in this thread lately to refute the "VIVO is missing" assertion of Blingbling.

Whats to refute? His assertion is true, you can't get a VIVO in a 6800 card.