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Lifer
the only thing "strange" is that you posted this nonsense.
:thumbsdown:
[it's called FUD]
and i won't dignify this thread by reading further . . .
aloha
the only thing "strange" is that you posted this nonsense.
:thumbsdown:
[it's called FUD]
and i won't dignify this thread by reading further . . .
aloha
I'm thinking something like: Oc'ing your x1800xt to 700mhz will void your warranty, so you better just wait and buy a 512mb gtx
Wow, what a horrible thread title. There is zero proof that there will not be a 512 Master card. In fact, it would be foolish to think that there will not be.
Have they announced it yet? No. Has NV announced this alleged card that supposed to be out tomorrow? No.
Have they announced it yet? No. Has NV announced this alleged card that supposed to be out tomorrow? No.
What are you, my editor?
At this point, there is "zero proof" there will be.
You were saying it would be foolish to think X850 Crossfire would be limited to 16X12 @60Hz, and look how that turned out?
I agree with this.
Not to you perhaps, but my friend did to me? You will know all about it very soon.
Can I get a Rollo for Mod, Fair and Balanced in your signature Ackmed?
Originally posted by: Rollo
What are you, my editor?
At this point, there is "zero proof" there will be.
You were saying it would be foolish to think X850 Crossfire would be limited to 16X12 @60Hz, and look how that turned out?
I agree with this.
Not to you perhaps, but my friend did to me? You will know all about it very soon.
Can I get a Rollo for Mod, Fair and Balanced in your signature Ackmed?
I have an x1800xt that is 512 MB and it says it IS Xfire ready
So you've said. You haven't said that you have knowledge of a 512MB Crossfire Master card.
For all you know, they are only doing the 256MB and scaling your cared down to that amount.
(like they have the 12 and 16 pipe mixes on the X800 Crossfire)
Wow, this is f*cking ridiculous. Crossfire isn't exactly a great solution, but ATI is really making it worthless by pulling crap like this. Why is there even a X1800XT /256MB version of Crossfire, seeing as there's only two high end X1800 cards: the 512MB X1800XT and the 256MB X1800XL.
Crossfire is a stupid, worthless technology IMO. Not being able to use two of the same cards is what makes it annoying; stupid crap like the 1600X1200 limit and this makes it pointless.
No 512MB card announced yet a 256MB XT card announced to mate with a 512MB non-crossfire XT -- it's nonsensical. It's like ATI wants it to fail...
Anyways, the X1800XT would be an attractive card if the price drops a couple hundred bucks. In the meanwhile it's just overpriced and Crossfire is not an attractive solution.
Crossfire is a stupid, worthless technology IMO. Not being able to use two of the same cards is what makes it annoying; stupid crap like the 1600X1200 limit and this makes it pointless.
No 512MB card announced yet a 256MB XT card announced to mate with a 512MB non-crossfire XT -- it's nonsensical. It's like ATI wants it to fail...
Anyways, the X1800XT would be an attractive card if the price drops a couple hundred bucks. In the meanwhile it's just overpriced and Crossfire is not an attractive solution.
I don't think ATI really cares much about Crossfire, it seems like they're only offering it because nVidia does.
Anyway, if this proves correct, my guess is there's something about the 512s that doesn't make them good candidates for multi.
I think so too; I think Crossfire is simply so they don't lose face and show that they can do a dual GPU solution. Whether or not they do it well seems to be irrelevant to them at the moment. Which is ironic because all ATI are doing with Crossfire at the moment is losing face.
I don't think there's anything flawed about the 512MB cards, but I do think that several factors could be reason for the Crossfire X1800 XT card to be 256MB:
-512MB may be unnecessary for Crossfire. Until we see benchies showing 256MB X2 cards vs 512MB X2 cards we will never know.
-They can sell the Crossfire cards for around the same price with half the memory
-They don't really think anyone will do Crossfire so they are doing it half-assed, like the rest of Crossfire's excecution
Ever since ATI announced that Crossfire would require a "master" Crossfire card, I knew it wouldn't be as good as SLI, simply because the Crossfire cards will be produced in a much smaller quantity than the regular cards. With SLI, you buy two similar cards (or even from different manufacturers if you're brave) and run them in SLI; with Crossfire you're forced to buy special master cards that run at inferior clockspeeds (notice the X850 XT crossfire runs at XT speeds, not XT PE speeds and that the X1800XT Crossfire is 600/1400 with 256MB, yet the only card you'd pair it with if you're sane is the X1800XT @ 625/1500, 512MB?).
Another reason these master cards are annoying is because you can't find a hot deal for two similar cards and then run them in Crossfire. If X800GTO2's were Crossfire-able by themselves, this would probably be the #1 combination. As it stands, X850 crossfire master cards are rare-to-nonexistant (nevermind Crossfire motherboards).
Having to use a secondary proprietary master card makes it an uber-niche: you really have to pay a premium for Crossfire. At least with SLI you can find a good deal on some 7800GT's and rock the house @ under $600 for the pair. This is not an option on ATI at the moment.
Nonetheless, as it stands, neither Crossfire nor SLI impresses me that much. I personally won't be running either for awhile simply because I'd rather run a single 7800GT over two 6800GT's in SLI (and pay less for the 7800GT as well), and 2X 7800GT's cost way more then I'd personally spend on video equipment. For those who are willing to spend over $600 on graphics cards, though, SLI is the best and only option IMO.
Jiffylube I'm just going to clear a couple things up for you:
1. X1K crossfire isn't limited to 1600x1200 because the X1K series cards have dual TMDS recievers
2. ATI has not said 512MB Crossfire cards will be unavailable, the cards discussed by the article are from Sapphire (the article doesn't even say that Sapphire won't be producing 512 MB Crossfire cards).
1. X1K crossfire isn't limited to 1600x1200 because the X1K series cards have dual TMDS recievers
2. ATI has not said 512MB Crossfire cards will be unavailable, the cards discussed by the article are from Sapphire (the article doesn't even say that Sapphire won't be producing 512 MB Crossfire cards).
They did get it fixed after all? That's good then. I wasn't sure if they all had dual link TMDSes. One less negative for crossfire (my other points stand though).
The whole thing is that regardless of whether 512MB Crossfire cards will be available or not, they won't be for some time, may not run at full XT clockspeeds (much like the X850 Crossfire), will probably be rare, will definitely be expensive, and aren't available from day-1 when the X1800XT's were available.
That's a far cry from the 7800GTX, which was SLI-able from day one, has no master-slave clockspeed/ram disparity, and had SLI boards ready to go.
Basically what I'm saying is that Crossfire is a messy affair and its sloppy launch has only compounded the problem.
I still think the X1800XT is money though; if it wasn't so dang expensive (over MSRP right now! Inexcusable!), I'd be interested in one, especially for the high quality AF and Adaptive AA with good performance.
I see Rollo is now trolling on the Beyond3D forums. That's a shame... those forums have been relatively free of Nvidia fanboy evangelism up to now.
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