X1800XT Crossfire to only be 256MB!

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sundevb

Originally posted by: apoppin
and why should ati consider it a "disaster" . . . what IS the percentage of SLI users compared to single GPU? . . . 1/10th of 1% . . . maybe?

nVidia has been working on SLI for YEARS . . . it's taken ATI a year to release a product . . . probably another 6 months to catch up.

And there WILL be 512 MB versions of X-fire . . . patience.

it's only a "disaster" to Nvidia fans . . .
:roll:

Well it's a "disaster" because they "released" missfire about what, 6 months ago? Since then nothing.. still nothing.. and more nothing to come I'm sure. It's also a disaster for ATI because they clearly are not at the top of the heap for graphics anymore. A (just now released) X1800XT will keep up with a 7800GTX, but has no chance against 7800GTX SLI. Or 7800GT SLI. And probably just keeps up with last generation's 6800GT SLI (not sure about that one though).

It doesn't matter that only 1/10th of 1% have SLI. That's like saying that since only 1/10th of 1% of people have an AMD64 FX-57, it shouldn't count as being superior to Intel.

And finally.. I'm not an nVidia fan. I got my 6800GT because I got a good price for it, it overclocks well, and beats the a$$ off of ATI in Doom3 while keeping up (at least) in all other games. Before this card I had a 9700Pro, which in its time beat the a$$ of of anything nVidia had to offer... I just buy whatever card is in my opinion the best for my needs. EDIT: typo.

actually it was PREviewed a LONG time ago [May?] and X800 x-fire was released last month [with boards available now - IF anyone wants 'em]. x1800 X-fire is available by the end of this month [as promised by ATI].

ONLY nVidia fans have "expectations" about ati . . . who really cares about their negative static? The people who actually BUY the cards aren't worried.

You made some statements about x1800xt X-fire not "competing" with SLI . . . how do you know?
:roll:

and x1800 is a worthy competitor to the 7800 series . . . r580 is also around the corner to up the ante.

there is NOTHING that indicates that there won't be X-fire 521MB [or even 1GB x-fire]

 

[sundev]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You made some statements about x1800xt X-fire not "competing" with SLI . . . how do you know?
:roll:

No I didn't... I said a single X1800XT doesn't compete 7800GTX/GT/6800GT in SLI (though I am not sure about the 6800GT).

there is NOTHING that indicates that there won't be X-fire 521MB [or even 1GB x-fire]

Agreed on that... it would just be ridiculous to not release a 512MB missfire master card, especially since they released the 512MB X1800XT first.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Anyone want to place bets on what Rollo's next anti-ATI thread is going to be about? He's really on a roll today.

Thread crapping...go away....

You just dont have to respond in his threads if they get your panties in a wad everytime...At least he links artciles...his opnions are his own...Dont like them?? Dont read them....

 

[pol II]

ATi has been familiar with multi-GPU for years. They have likely spent a great deal of R&D already on crossfire chipset and that awful dongle. They are over the hump, now it is time to cash in. Why wait and why deny the enthusiast base the top card? Makes about as much sense as a football bat. They need to release the 512 for Backfire-capable mobos.

 

[nitromullet]

The thing is I guess is that it doesn't appear to be guaranteed or you might have to wait. How many people on these forums talk about the insane depreciation of video cards and then in the next thread just tell people to be patient...? When I bought my first GTX I had no conern or doubts about being able to run SLI should I choose to. However, those people buying 512MB X1800XT's now that they are available don't have that assurance. This may not seem like that big of a deal to rabid ATI supporters on a forum, who don't have the cash to buy one of these cards anyway, but when you're forking over your money for the high end gear, you want to make sure that you are getting your money's worth. Personally, I would be PISSED if I picked up an X1800XT now for $600, a DFI CrossFire mobo for $200 (newegg price), and then at the end of Nov. ATI finally came out with a CrossFire card that only supported 256MB!?!?! Also annoying would be if you had to wait for the 512MB version... That's nice, but you'd be sitting there as your 512MB X1800XT depreciates in value as the GTX SLI rigs continue to destroy your rig in every game/benchmark. Sure the top end is that smallest part of of any market, but if you are in the market for high end stuff does it make sense to tell yourself that it's ok not get the support you want for your purchase because you're in the small minority willing to spend that much for said product?

 

[rbV5]

Personally, I would be PISSED if I picked up an X1800XT now for $600, a DFI CrossFire mobo for $200 (newegg price), and then at the end of Nov. ATI finally came out with a CrossFire card that only supported 256MB!?!?! Also annoying would be if you had to wait for the 512MB version... That's nice, but you'd be sitting there as your 512MB X1800XT

How wise would it be to jump on X1000 crossfire without ATI announcing the lineup with specs yet?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
The thing is I guess is that it doesn't appear to be guaranteed or you might have to wait. How many people on these forums talk about the insane depreciation of video cards and then in the next thread just tell people to be patient...? When I bought my first GTX I had no conern or doubts about being able to run SLI should I choose to. However, those people buying 512MB X1800XT's now that they are available don't have that assurance. This may not seem like that big of a deal to rabid ATI supporters on a forum, who don't have the cash to buy one of these cards anyway, but when you're forking over your money for the high end gear, you want to make sure that you are getting your money's worth. Personally, I would be PISSED if I picked up an X1800XT now for $600, a DFI CrossFire mobo for $200 (newegg price), and then at the end of Nov. ATI finally came out with a CrossFire card that only supported 256MB!?!?! Also annoying would be if you had to wait for the 512MB version... That's nice, but you'd be sitting there as your 512MB X1800XT depreciates in value as the GTX SLI rigs continue to destroy your rig in every game/benchmark. Sure the top end is that smallest part of of any market, but if you are in the market for high end stuff does it make sense to tell yourself that it's ok not get the support you want for your purchase because you're in the small minority willing to spend that much for said product?

Can we *please* wait until there is *something* official before we start shredding ATI for a *perceived* lack of support for a product that's *not even out yet*?

From the XBit article:

Sources familiar with the plans and product specifications of Sapphire Technology said that the company would ship RADEON X1800 XT CrossFire Edition 256MB with the correct clock-speeds of the RADEON X1800 XT ? 625MHz for the visual processing unit (VPU) and 1500MHz for GDDR3 memory.

(emphasis added)

Spokesman for ATI Technologies in London, UK, declined to comment on the unreleased product.

Even if Sapphire doesn't put out a 512MB part, ATI almost certainly will. In any case, nobody in an official capacity actually said anything.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
The thing is I guess is that it doesn't appear to be guaranteed or you might have to wait. How many people on these forums talk about the insane depreciation of video cards and then in the next thread just tell people to be patient...? When I bought my first GTX I had no conern or doubts about being able to run SLI should I choose to. However, those people buying 512MB X1800XT's now that they are available don't have that assurance. This may not seem like that big of a deal to rabid ATI supporters on a forum, who don't have the cash to buy one of these cards anyway, but when you're forking over your money for the high end gear, you want to make sure that you are getting your money's worth. Personally, I would be PISSED if I picked up an X1800XT now for $600, a DFI CrossFire mobo for $200 (newegg price), and then at the end of Nov. ATI finally came out with a CrossFire card that only supported 256MB!?!?! Also annoying would be if you had to wait for the 512MB version... That's nice, but you'd be sitting there as your 512MB X1800XT depreciates in value as the GTX SLI rigs continue to destroy your rig in every game/benchmark. Sure the top end is that smallest part of of any market, but if you are in the market for high end stuff does it make sense to tell yourself that it's ok not get the support you want for your purchase because you're in the small minority willing to spend that much for said product?

You wouldn't buy one . . . anyway . . . no matter 'what'
:roll:

And why the heck would *you* buy something that is not available or announced yet

If you want SLI now, just buy nVidia . . . if you want ati x-fire. . . then wait

simple, no?

and i son't see SLI "destroying" anything. Buy for your needs . . . not for your ego.
:Q

 

[Hacp]

WE DON"T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 256 AND 512 IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE, as ROLLO STATED IN HIS OTHER ATI FLAME THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
The thing is I guess is that it doesn't appear to be guaranteed or you might have to wait. How many people on these forums talk about the insane depreciation of video cards and then in the next thread just tell people to be patient...? When I bought my first GTX I had no conern or doubts about being able to run SLI should I choose to. However, those people buying 512MB X1800XT's now that they are available don't have that assurance. This may not seem like that big of a deal to rabid ATI supporters on a forum, who don't have the cash to buy one of these cards anyway, but when you're forking over your money for the high end gear, you want to make sure that you are getting your money's worth. Personally, I would be PISSED if I picked up an X1800XT now for $600, a DFI CrossFire mobo for $200 (newegg price), and then at the end of Nov. ATI finally came out with a CrossFire card that only supported 256MB!?!?! Also annoying would be if you had to wait for the 512MB version... That's nice, but you'd be sitting there as your 512MB X1800XT depreciates in value as the GTX SLI rigs continue to destroy your rig in every game/benchmark. Sure the top end is that smallest part of of any market, but if you are in the market for high end stuff does it make sense to tell yourself that it's ok not get the support you want for your purchase because you're in the small minority willing to spend that much for said product?

It's all good. While ati fans wait, Nv users are enjoying themselves.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: solofly

It's all good. While ati fans wait, Nv users are enjoying themselves.

Exactly like the 9700p-9800p-9800xt 2-year reign of ATI as performance champ.

of course

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Are you saying that as an ATI beta tester with knowledge of it, or just a guess? If you're stating it on behalf of ATI, I'll edit?

Are you saying that Crossfire X1800XT is limited to 256 MB on behalf of ATI? or are you just throwing it out there because of a "post" on another forum, and it sounds like another way of pointing to more so called "ATI failures" in your never ending quest to leave "no stone unturned" to make you feel better about your own beloved SLI and Nvidia. LOL.

I have no friends at ATI, or access to their information like you do.

So like I said, if you're saying there will be as an ATI associate/insider, I will edit my post.

Not if it's only your guess though, I can only go by what's out there now.

Got to admit it's a little strange to see a 256MB X1800XT Crossfire before a 256MB X1800XT, don't you think?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Got to admit it's a little strange to see a 256MB X1800XT Crossfire before a 256MB X1800XT, don't you think?

what do you mean?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
r580 is also around the corner to up the ante.

There is no verifiable info, or even good rumor I know of that says the "R580 is right around the corner"?

there is NOTHING that indicates that there won't be X-fire 521MB [or even 1GB x-fire]

There is also NOTHING that indicates there will be 512MB Crossfire?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
WE DON"T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 256 AND 512 IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE, as ROLLO STATED IN HIS OTHER ATI FLAME THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not flame ATI. I post news for video card consumers to use in their evaluation of products so they can make better decisions.

The boards are about helping people, not evaluating other members.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo
Got to admit it's a little strange to see a 256MB X1800XT Crossfire before a 256MB X1800XT, don't you think?

what do you mean?

I mean it's pretty strange to not have the 256MB X1800XT card reviewed before the 256MB X1800XT Crossfire master card?

Isn't the single card done?

 

[rbV5]

Got to admit it's a little strange to see a 256MB X1800XT Crossfire before a 256MB X1800XT, don't you think?

I haven't seen either yet. It doesn't suprise me to see what would appear to be a less expensive Crossfire solution initially...sounds familiar infact.

 

[rbV5]

I mean it's pretty strange to not have the 256MB X1800XT card reviewed before the 256MB X1800XT Crossfire master card?

Have you seen a review for the 256MB X1800XT Crossfire master card? I haven't...Link?

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo
Got to admit it's a little strange to see a 256MB X1800XT Crossfire before a 256MB X1800XT, don't you think?

what do you mean?

I mean it's pretty strange to not have the 256MB X1800XT card reviewed before the 256MB X1800XT Crossfire master card?

Isn't the single card done?

Nobody has "reviewed" any X1800XT Crossfire cards. You posted a link to a thread that had a link to an XBit blurb that said Sapphire would probably be shipping 256MB X1800XT Crossfire cards near the end of November. This isn't exactly 'news' so much as 'speculation' or 'rumors'.

Also, your thread title is rather misleading, because there is nothing here that actually says there won't be 512MB cards, just that Sapphire is going to be shipping a 256MB version (with no comment on whether or not they would also have a 512MB version at some point, or whether ATI or other partners might launch a 512MB part in the same timeframe).

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: solofly

It's all good. While ati fans wait, Nv users are enjoying themselves.

Exactly like the 9700p-9800p-9800xt 2-year reign of ATI as performance champ.

of course

We shouldn't bring back the past. Everything prior to 9700, NV was the 'champ'. (as u call it)

The only thing that matters is NOW.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
r580 is also around the corner to up the ante.

There is no verifiable info, or even good rumor I know of that says the "R580 is right around the corner"?

where have you been? . . . there are plenty

there is NOTHING that indicates that there won't be X-fire 521MB [or even 1GB x-fire]

There is also NOTHING that indicates there will be 512MB Crossfire?
[/quote]that's silly. . . a 512MB x1800xt indicates a 512MBx1800xt xfire

Originally posted by: Rollo
Got to admit it's a little strange to see a 256MB X1800XT Crossfire before a 256MB X1800XT, don't you think?

what do you mean? x1800xt is available


edited

 

[rbV5]

I do not flame ATI. I post news for video card consumers to use in their evaluation of products so they can make better decisions.

You flame ATI repeatedly and continually, who are you trying to BS...LOL.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: solofly

It's all good. While ati fans wait, Nv users are enjoying themselves.

Exactly like the 9700p-9800p-9800xt 2-year reign of ATI as performance champ.

of course

We shouldn't bring back the past. Everything prior to 9700, NV was the 'champ'. (as u call it)

The only thing that matters is NOW.

why not bring up history? it predicts the future with a reasonable degree of accuracy . . . and indications are ati will again [at some future date] kick nVidia's butt where you will be again forced to defend your beloved company as it takes a back-seat and struggles to "catch up".

nVidia has the same basic company structure as the past and they will again get overconfident and overreach themselves [my prediction]

 

[NYHoustonman]

There is no verifiable info on any next-generation NVidia card, therefore I think we can assume that there isn't one coming.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: solofly

It's all good. While ati fans wait, Nv users are enjoying themselves.

Exactly like the 9700p-9800p-9800xt 2-year reign of ATI as performance champ.

of course

Yup. Exactly. Polarity has seemed to reverse. It's Nv's turn.