I hate when people say, 'if you want to talk about making something worse then how about this and that'. Of course divorce devalues marriage but the solution to something is not to just say 'lets devalue it even more then' by adding gay marriage to the agenda do you see what I am saying? Also, a marriage license doesnt mean you are married.Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?
how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.
There has never been any exclusivity to marriage... all I had to do was go to the courthouse and pay my $30 or whatever it was and BAM I had a marriage license. A driver's license is a more significant accomplish than being granted the privilege of being married. I actually had to know how to drive vs proving that I'm not marrying my cousin. If you want to talk about "devaluing" marriage, talk about the divorce rate.
I am of the opinion that the government should get out of the marriage business altogether and call ALL legal "marriages" civil unions. Let the churches deal with marriage as a religious institution. Then if people want to bitch about gay marriage, they can bitch at the church.
JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?
how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.
Well, you're right about one thing anyway. Your point isn't explained very well. And it doesn't make sense.
I am married and quite frankly the only thing that would weaken the sanctity of my marriage would be the disolution of it or if we allowed our relationship to weaken to a point where we no longer wanted to be together. I don't see how someone else's marriage affects the sanctity of our marriage.
I think the argument that allowing gays to marry weakens the sanctity of marriage is total bull.
mugs
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Originally posted by: jandrews
I hate when people say, 'if you want to talk about making something worse then how about this and that'. Of course divorce devalues marriage but the solution to something is not to just say 'lets devalue it even more then' by adding gay marriage to the agenda do you see what I am saying? Also, a marriage license doesnt mean you are married.Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?
how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.
There has never been any exclusivity to marriage... all I had to do was go to the courthouse and pay my $30 or whatever it was and BAM I had a marriage license. A driver's license is a more significant accomplish than being granted the privilege of being married. I actually had to know how to drive vs proving that I'm not marrying my cousin. If you want to talk about "devaluing" marriage, talk about the divorce rate.
I am of the opinion that the government should get out of the marriage business altogether and call ALL legal "marriages" civil unions. Let the churches deal with marriage as a religious institution. Then if people want to bitch about gay marriage, they can bitch at the church.
A marriage license is the only thing that differentiates me and my wife from a gay couple that considers themselves to be 'married' even if the government won't make it official.
Originally posted by: jandrews
I hate when people say, 'if you want to talk about making something worse then how about this and that'. Of course divorce devalues marriage but the solution to something is not to just say 'lets devalue it even more then' by adding gay marriage to the agenda do you see what I am saying? Also, a marriage license doesnt mean you are married.Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: jandrews
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?
how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.
There has never been any exclusivity to marriage... all I had to do was go to the courthouse and pay my $30 or whatever it was and BAM I had a marriage license. A driver's license is a more significant accomplish than being granted the privilege of being married. I actually had to know how to drive vs proving that I'm not marrying my cousin. If you want to talk about "devaluing" marriage, talk about the divorce rate.
I am of the opinion that the government should get out of the marriage business altogether and call ALL legal "marriages" civil unions. Let the churches deal with marriage as a religious institution. Then if people want to bitch about gay marriage, they can bitch at the church.
And you have yet to show how gay couples ruin the sanctity of marriage for others. Your analogy above has already been derailed so what other reasons do you have for gay marriage destroying the its sanctity?
Actually, it's very different.
I understand the point you guys are trying to make, but a kid with brown hair doesn't have to be worried about getting the shit kicked out of him by the kids with black hair.
At the very least, there's going to be an emphasis on self-defense (like mugs brought up).
I was watching The Night Larry Kramer Kissed Me last night (movie adaptation of a 1-man show) and he brought up a good point... maybe the reason gays flock to gyms to much is to get pumped up in order to kick the crap out of gay bashers 
NFS4
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That's a very narrow viewpoint. If that's the case, why should we give a shit about ANYONE close to us?Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: NFS4
It'd be a shock to the system at first. I'd probably even have some reservations about it and wonder if I did something wrong in parenting. Then I'd likely get over and and accept it.
Anyone who says that they wouldn't have some sort of internal turmoil is a ****ing liar... IMHO
Then call me a ****ing liar. I know I would have had some issues years ago(when I was a teenager), but I have too many great friends who are great people who just happen to be homosexual. Of course I can't be 100% sure, but I really don't think I'd give a shit.
You're gonna sit there and tell me that your kid comes to the dinner table one day and says they're gay and all you do is say "That's nice honey, I'm happy for you. Pass the spinach?"
I don't care who you are, if you've known someone all your life and they just "change" all of a sudden, there has GOT to be some inner monologue going on with regards to the change.
I don't have any problems with homosexuals, but if my best friend were to come up to me today and say "I'm gay," you better believe that I'd be running things back in my mind from the 8 years we've known each other. I love the guy like a brother, but only a robot can take that kind of news and just immediately accept it without reservation.
Why should you care either way? That is the thing.. you could accept it because... who cares? It is their life, not yours.
If my GF decides that she wants to move to Alaska and "start fresh without me," by your statements, I should say "I don't care, go do what you want." It is, afterall, her life.
However, with her being someone that I love and care for and want to spend the rest of my life with, I'd be thinking in my mind what have I done to her to make her feel this way. What could have possibly done wrong to make her have these feelings.
If my child came to me one day and said that he or she was gay, it'd be the WTF moment of my life and not something that I would take lightly. Sure, it's my kid, but I don't see homosexuality as something that's normal. It's outside the norm. It doesn't make sense from a physical standpoint to me and is totally illogical... not to mention the religious aspects...
However, people have the freedom to do whatever they choose to do with their life. It's their choice. If it's someone that I don't really care about, then it wouldn't be an issue. But when it's someone VERY close to home, it takes on a different meaning IMHO.
That being said, although I don't personally agree with the choice, I would still love my child b/c, afterall, he/she would still be my child. I would sit down and talk with them and try to understand their feelings, but that wouldn't really change how I feel about homosexuality.
I am confused, pardon I am not married but I thought you had to get a marriage license then have it signed by a justice of a peace or a minister??
Purely as a FYI, you guys should disregard the above advice. BlinderBomber did what was suggested and got banned for doing so. Be warned.
NFS4
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I agree, although I'd really try not my best not to "look at them differently." If it's something that goes against your ideals, how are you not to take offense to it or feel upset by it?
You raise your child the best you can and you hope that they follow in your footsteps and try to lead a normal life.
But on the other hand, everyone wants their children to be happy. I dunno, I just hope it never has to come to that with my family.
JulesMaximus
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My Brother-In-Law is gay. He's my wife's half-brother actually (same father as my wife) and I've known him since he was 8 years old. When he told us he was gay recently it was a bit of a shock but both my wife and I were very supportive of him. He seemed very relieved by having admitted this to us actually. I don't know why he thought we'd have a problem with it but now that it's out there I think he was very free'd by that burden he's been carrying around and still carries as it relates to his father.
I'd never want my son to go through that. I'm going to raise him to be very accepting of other people and to always be open with his Mom and I. I'd like to think that he could come to me and talk to me about anything.
I don't look at my wife's brother any differently now. He's a good kid and I'll always love him just the same.
Jeff7181
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Well, I could lie and say I'd be fine with it, but the truth is they'd forever be different in my mind. I've known gay people and called them friends... but I could never think of them the same as my straight friends. Especially gay males who are especially feminine, or gay females who are especially masculine.
You're super confused, genius! You also have to fill out the names of the two parties and the dates. With witnesses!
Hoo-ray! Got any more pardons?
JulesMaximus
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The marriage license is signed by the minister and usually by two witnesses (in my case it was my best man and my wife's maid of honor). Edit-And the paperwork is signed immediately after the ceremony.
JulesMaximus
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Yeah, I was trying to remember exactly who signed what. I know it was at the church and I'm pretty sure that the best man and maid of honor had to sign it. Hell, it was 15 years ago.
Ryan
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And the crux of the sanctity of marriage argument finally rears it's ugly head (and the center of most anti homosexual arguments) - you do not see gay people as equal straight people, you couldn't have made it any more black and white.
Why can you not think of them the same?
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