WWYD if your child was gay?

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
I did not make the comments above to open debate. I made them to close it, by explaining that the rule is clear and will be enforced.

I understand why some people have questioned our position earlier in this thread, and we have let that go, given the circumstances. From this point, we expect you to handle any questioning of mod decisions in the appropriate manner, and not here in this thread. If you believe any of us have acted inappropriately or inconsistently, there is a forum to express that concern.

There will be no further discussion of mod decisions in this thread. Thank you for your understanding.

Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator

then the thread should be locked.

it was not just saying they will be killed but others that got mod comments. wich many do take as a vailed threat.

there is no way this can be a honest discussion with fear of a ban.


***********************************************************************
You are excused from posting at Anandtech for one week. There WILL be no more discussion of mod decisions in this thread.

Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
There WILL be no more discussion of mod decisions in this thread.

Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator

Then where should this be discussed as the location stated in the rules has become nonfunctional and the head moderator apparently is declining to respond to any messages.

You can post in the Personal Forum Issues, or use any of the avenues mentioned in rule 12 of the posting guidelines.

RR

 

[chr6]

as long as my child is happy and being treated right, doesn't matter who they're with

 

[rh71]

I'd probably think for a few about the growing pains we'll endure as a family but I wouldn't have anything to do but accept it and hope everyone feels the same way down the road. These days, times are better and hopefully will continue to be.

On a personal level, I doubt I'd feel anything less for my own child, whatever the case.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
There WILL be no more discussion of mod decisions in this thread.

Rio Rebel
Senior Moderator

Then where should this be discussed as the location stated in the rules has become nonfunctional and the head moderator apparently is declining to respond to any messages.

You can post in the Personal Forum Issues, or use any of the avenues mentioned in rule 12 of the posting guidelines.

RR

Sigh, I thought I had covered that in my initial statement.

 

[Molondo]

This almost feels like flame bait to me..
On the other hand, i would continue to love them as i did before.

 

[Casawi]

Making him be good at some sport, or at least a good student. Being gay alone would suck, but a combination of gay and really good at something might give him a better life.

 

[WingZero94]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan

Originally posted by: fatdragondzc
sleep on it and wen i wake up hopefulli its all a dream. if not, time make a new baby and start from scratch. label this one failure and send it off.

We have many good, contributing members who happen to be gay.
You may not continue to post such verbal abuse on our forums.
Doing so again may be reason to suspend your posting privileges for an indefinite period of time.

Is that clear?

AnandTech Moderator hzl

Not trying to call a mod out here, but please explain why ATOT also has many good, contributing members who happen to be Catholic, Christian, et al and they suffer worse abuse at the hands of many agnostic, atheistic and anti-religion posters? Why are the anti-religious posters not sent on vacation/banned or at least held to the same standards mods like holding someone who posts something regarding anything but positive responses regarding homosexuality? I mean ffs, a topic was locked because someone called people who think Tony Romo is good "Tony Romo-Homo's" (which is quite fifth-grade but made me chuckle regardless) but I've seen more than one post bashing/flaming/attacking religious beliefs that had mods posting within...

QFT, although what do you expect in the new communist AT world. At least I wasn't disapointed in my estimate of the replies once I saw the thread title and number of replies.

Because anyway you look at it, religion is a true choice.
You are not born a Catholic. You are not born Baptist.
Religion has always been a center point for arguments because in essence it is no more than an opinion. And unfortunately the opinions of the masses can alter the world of people who don't believe in what you do. There is a lot of resentment when it comes to religion.

And I could find an equally large portion of people whom would happily make the same statements about gays.

QFT - Where is the equal treatment for those who are religious?? Saying that being gay is not a decision but having a God is one is ridiculous. I guess people here like to make those decisions for you. Talk about being accepting......

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: NFS4
It'd be a shock to the system at first. I'd probably even have some reservations about it and wonder if I did something wrong in parenting. Then I'd likely get over and and accept it.

Anyone who says that they wouldn't have some sort of internal turmoil is a ****ing liar... IMHO

Then call me a ****ing liar. I know I would have had some issues years ago(when I was a teenager), but I have too many great friends who are great people who just happen to be homosexual. Of course I can't be 100% sure, but I really don't think I'd give a shit.

You're gonna sit there and tell me that your kid comes to the dinner table one day and says they're gay and all you do is say "That's nice honey, I'm happy for you. Pass the spinach?"

I don't care who you are, if you've known someone all your life and they just "change" all of a sudden, there has GOT to be some inner monologue going on with regards to the change.

I don't have any problems with homosexuals, but if my best friend were to come up to me today and say "I'm gay," you better believe that I'd be running things back in my mind from the 8 years we've known each other. I love the guy like a brother, but only a robot can take that kind of news and just immediately accept it without reservation.

Why should you care either way? That is the thing.. you could accept it because... who cares? It is their life, not yours.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan

Originally posted by: fatdragondzc
sleep on it and wen i wake up hopefulli its all a dream. if not, time make a new baby and start from scratch. label this one failure and send it off.

We have many good, contributing members who happen to be gay.
You may not continue to post such verbal abuse on our forums.
Doing so again may be reason to suspend your posting privileges for an indefinite period of time.

Is that clear?

AnandTech Moderator hzl

Not trying to call a mod out here, but please explain why ATOT also has many good, contributing members who happen to be Catholic, Christian, et al and they suffer worse abuse at the hands of many agnostic, atheistic and anti-religion posters? Why are the anti-religious posters not sent on vacation/banned or at least held to the same standards mods like holding someone who posts something regarding anything but positive responses regarding homosexuality? I mean ffs, a topic was locked because someone called people who think Tony Romo is good "Tony Romo-Homo's" (which is quite fifth-grade but made me chuckle regardless) but I've seen more than one post bashing/flaming/attacking religious beliefs that had mods posting within...

Because calling someone a failure for being gay is not the same as blasting religious beliefs or religion in general.

Bashing is bashing...whether you bash them for religious beliefs or because of homosexuality...the bottom line is that you attack them and/or make fun of them. Calling someone a failure for believing in Jesus Christ or of believing in a higher value is just as despicable as calling someone a failure for being gay...it's just that calling someone a failure for being religious here on ATOT is protected while calling someone a failure for being homosexual is bannable. Double-standard straight and evident.

One is somethign that they are bron with, the other is a personal choice.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

What the hell does this have to do with evolution? I thought we were talking about gay couples having children so I pointed out a way that they could. Who the hell are you to say whether or not surrogacy is an acceptable option for gay couples? I've got news for you, they already do.

Do you have no reading comprehension at all? What do you mean you are confused as to what this has to do with evolution? According to most, if not all, of the homosexuals on ATOT, they were born that way; i.e. evolution dictated they be born the way they are. We were talking about how gay couples could have children and I stated they could not. It's not hard. Until a man's colon somehow begins holding an egg and creating a vessel for life, a male homosexual couple CANNOT have children. Until a woman can produce both sperm and egg, a female homosexual couple CANNOT have children. They have to employ the use of another woman's and/or a male's sperm and utilize someone as nothing more than a breeder.

And you ask who the hell am I to say that surrogacy is not acceptable for gay couples...that's my opinion. I say it is not an acceptable use for surrogacy and is not what surrogacy is intended for. Again, I state that if you want to be gay, then accept your homosexuality with all the pros (your wardrobe doubles if you are the same size as your partner, etc) as well as all the cons (you were born that way as you state and, therefore, cannot have children). Accept the fact that until some giant evolutionary leap occurs and men start bearing life and women start reproducing asexually, homosexual couples were not designed to have children. Be homosexual, live your life inclusive of everything that goes along with it.

Um, I'm not a homosexual. I am married and have a child...thanks for asking though.

Yes, I'm aware that two gay men or two gay women cannot produce a child without adoption or surrogacy-thank you for stating the ridiculously obvious...over and over and over. You brought evolution into this, not me...still not sure what this has to do with anything. Are you arguing that the gay will eventually evolve out of society?

Personally, I don't have a problem with gay couples adopting or having children through a surrogates. You seemed to imply that it is impossible for gay couples to have children yet many thousands of them do have children. Obviously, they are not a product of both parents (nor did I ever imply that they were)-I thought that didn't really need to be stated but in your case I guess I need to clarify this for some reason. :roll:

 

[TheFamilyMan]

Originally posted by: manowar821

I could choose to nail another guy, but I don't because I'm attracted to women by biology.

Gays choose not to do it with the opposite sex because they're attracted to their own sex by biology. The organs still function.

I can't believe we need to even point this out to TheFamilyMan.

Nothing to point out. It's plain and simple. If gays are attracted to their own sex then they need to figure out to procreate...oh wait, they can't. They still need a third party. Normal heterosexuals (bar those with medical issues) do not. Oh, wait...you must be implying homosexuality is a medical disorder along the lines of infertility?

Originally posted by: manowar821
Why should it matter if you feel uncomfortable with it, anyway, TheFamilyMan? It's not your choice, you're not fighting to protect any kind of sanctity of family or marriage. They're not harming you, or the kids they want to raise as their own.

What's your real problem?

I see you talking a lot, but not a whole lot is actually being said. It seems almost like you're trying to cover up your own blatant fear and hate for gays by using more flowering language. Much in the same way I've seen others do, time and time again.

Am I wrong?

Never said I was uncomfortable with it. Like most pro-homosexual ATOT'ers here, any talk not glorifying the lifestyle is met with disdain and posts much like yours that say people with differing views must, therefore, be "hate-filled". I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

It is quite funny you have nothing to say in return other than I am "trying to cover up your own blatant fear and hate for gays by using more flowering language." ROFLMAO. Use that crutch...use it for it is all you have.

I could poke holes all day long in what you've written but the most blatant thing is that you even intone in your post that homosexuality is a medical condition...which is it? Are they born that way or is it a medical condition or is it a choice? You don't even know. No one knows. For every bit of research done that says homosexuals are biologically put together different from heterosexuals, there is the same number of research showing psychological patterns that indicate environment and choice play a part. Do some reading before you pull out the "hate crutch". Don't spout off that my opinion is created from hate when you are left with nothing else to retort with. You'd do much better saying nothing at all.

 

[RyanW2050]

ATOT: Where you can talk about stuff... as long as you agree with the moderators.

Are YOU pc enough?



Anyway, if s/he was old enough to know what s/he was getting into I don't think there's an issue.

but if it were some situation where they were in highschool and pulled that card for attention, i would probably want to look into it more.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!>!?! IT BREAKS DOWN THE FABRIC OF SOCIETY!!!!!! BREAKS IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've yet to see any valid example provided of how this supposed "sanctity" is being ruined. Most usually break it down to some kind of mutual pairing that is designed to produce children and further the species, blah, blah heavenly creator crap, blah. I find it interesting they fail to apply the same stroke of bias to heterosexual couples who choose not to have children, or are infertile.

We currently support the legal union of individuals irrespective of how they choose to live their lives together, or whether they have children, etc, etc. Can anyone give me a specific reason why is matters if the individuals are of the same sex?

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan

Originally posted by: manowar821

I could choose to nail another guy, but I don't because I'm attracted to women by biology.

Gays choose not to do it with the opposite sex because they're attracted to their own sex by biology. The organs still function.

I can't believe we need to even point this out to TheFamilyMan.

Nothing to point out. It's plain and simple. If gays are attracted to their own sex then they need to figure out to procreate...oh wait, they can't. They still need a third party. Normal heterosexuals (bar those with medical issues) do not. Oh, wait...you must be implying homosexuality is a medical disorder along the lines of infertility?

Originally posted by: manowar821
Why should it matter if you feel uncomfortable with it, anyway, TheFamilyMan? It's not your choice, you're not fighting to protect any kind of sanctity of family or marriage. They're not harming you, or the kids they want to raise as their own.

What's your real problem?

I see you talking a lot, but not a whole lot is actually being said. It seems almost like you're trying to cover up your own blatant fear and hate for gays by using more flowering language. Much in the same way I've seen others do, time and time again.

Am I wrong?

Never said I was uncomfortable with it. Like most pro-homosexual ATOT'ers here, any talk not glorifying the lifestyle is met with disdain and posts much like yours that say people with differing views must, therefore, be "hate-filled". I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

It is quite funny you have nothing to say in return other than I am "trying to cover up your own blatant fear and hate for gays by using more flowering language." ROFLMAO. Use that crutch...use it for it is all you have.

I could poke holes all day long in what you've written but the most blatant thing is that you even intone in your post that homosexuality is a medical condition...which is it? Are they born that way or is it a medical condition or is it a choice? You don't even know. No one knows. For every bit of research done that says homosexuals are biologically put together different from heterosexuals, there is the same number of research showing psychological patterns that indicate environment and choice play a part. Do some reading before you pull out the "hate crutch". Don't spout off that my opinion is created from hate when you are left with nothing else to retort with. You'd do much better saying nothing at all.

I'm still waiting to hear your reason for supporting surrogacy for couples that are infertile versus gay people who must accept their fate that they weren't meant to have children. Obviously those who are infertile were born to not have children, correct? I mean, if the higher power wanted them to have children, why make them infertile?

Care to link some of these studies that actually still claim homosexuality as a effect of nurturing? I don't know why people even bother arguing for the sanctity of marriage. There has been no hints of people valuing the sanctity of marriage throughout time and even in the current climate, a 50% divorce rate shows just how much people value this oh so holy institution of marriage.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Never said I was uncomfortable with it. Like most pro-homosexual ATOT'ers here, any talk not glorifying the lifestyle is met with disdain and posts much like yours that say people with differing views must, therefore, be "hate-filled". I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How about all the divorces from supposedly devout religious folk that "bruise" the "Sanctity of Marriage"? I think that does a hell of a lot more damage to the institution than gays ever could.

I don't require or desire "glorification" of my lifestyle. I do require uptight religious people to stop getting in between me and what I should posses (arguably under the Constitution) as a citizen of this country by pressuring lawmakers to prevent gay marriage/unions and legal rights.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!>!?! IT BREAKS DOWN THE FABRIC OF SOCIETY!!!!!! BREAKS IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every time gays get married an angel loses its wings.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Never said I was uncomfortable with it. Like most pro-homosexual ATOT'ers here, any talk not glorifying the lifestyle is met with disdain and posts much like yours that say people with differing views must, therefore, be "hate-filled". I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

I'm "pro-homosexual" and I've never glorified the "gay lifestyle" as you put it. Edit-I suppose you think that the movie 'Brokeback Mountain' glorifies the gay lifestyle too?

Why do you say gays marrying is damaging the sanctity of marriage? What evidence do you have of this? I'd say that every married couple who divorces does far more damage to the sanctity of marriage than gay couples do.

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.

so your view of marriage is one man married to a dozen under-age girls?

perv.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.

Yea, seriously. I mean, where's the value of human rights when everyone has it. Obviously human rights only have value when a select group has it. I await the African Americans epiphany and decide to return these rights back since obviously them having it has diluted its value. We can give the other races something separate but "equal," but we have to title it differently or else, we're in deep trouble.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
I do feel that the sanctity of marriage is bruised with every homosexual union that is granted but that is my opinion and they are free to do what they want...it is their right.

How does two gay people getting married affect anyone else's marriage?

how does giving everyone a blue medal for first prize affect the blue medal you got? By giving something to everyone it devalues it especially when it comes to marraige that has always been between man and woman. If gay people had something called 'gay union' then who gives a crap because that is their own seperate thing. People want marraige to be what it always has been so it can retain the same values it always has had for people. My point isnt explained very well but hopefully it makes some sense.

There has never been any exclusivity to marriage... all I had to do was go to the courthouse and pay my $30 or whatever it was and BAM I had a marriage license. A driver's license is a more significant accomplish than being granted the privilege of being married. I actually had to know how to drive vs proving that I'm not marrying my cousin. If you want to talk about "devaluing" marriage, talk about the divorce rate.

I am of the opinion that the government should get out of the marriage business altogether and call ALL legal "marriages" civil unions. Let the churches deal with marriage as a religious institution. Then if people want to bitch about gay marriage, they can bitch at the church.

 

[michaelsslave]

why wont you guys listen, im not gay. anyway i wouldnt care

 

[3NF]

Would you do anything different based on the color of their hair? Being gay is no different.