WTF!!! Now I'm pissed!!

TheChort

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the school brings in a priest to talk about creationism :| :|

The school is a private christian affiliated school with about 800 students from K-12. I teach Chem, AP Chem and AP Bio to 10-12th graders. So this morning i find out about an assembly during 4th period. The assembly is broken up to 2 classes at a time. So it's a small group. I think to myself, "great, 1 hour break!" How wrong I was.

I walk in the auditorium to find out that it's a priest. He steps up and says he's only gonna talk for 5 minutes and the rest will be a debate. Ok, now I've got this a nervous optimism. Maybe things will be ok. I mean he did mention the golden word: debate. He starts off talking about the importance of us talking to each other, and that he's here to help people open up their minds, or something like that. I can never remember cliche openings like that.

Ok, so now is a good time to start up the 'Blind Date' countdown timer. You know, the one that goes something like this: "this date goes downhill in 3(beep)...2(beep)...1(beep)....

"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Oh ... no .... he ... didn't!

All I can remember at this point is some of my bio students turning to look at me, and me shaking my head. (I should insert the disclaimer that I DO introduce all possible theories to my students, including alien 'impregnation' of the planet)

So the rest of the lecture is a blur to me, because really it took everything in me not to get up and leave. I vaguely remember students asking questions and the priest shutting them down.

Student: But if Adam and Eve had only two sons, how did they reproduce
Priest: They had many, many children, but the Bible only writes about two because they were relevant to the story. The story has been simplified so even children can understand it.

Student: What do you think of Homosexuality?
Priest: Homosexuality is wrong. When God created us, he told us to have children. Gay people can't have children. But it has always been around, and nowadays people are parading it as if it is a good thing. If people keep this up, I suppose one day it will also be acceptable to marry your dog.

I think i'll go have a talk with the teacher who organized this, on monday.



CLIFFS:
- Small School (800 ppl k-12)
- I teach bio
- Guest lecturer is a priest
- He says we DID NOT come from monkeys in the first 2 minutes of his speech.
- The rest of the lecture is a joke



Disclaimer: I have considerable respect for religions. My issue was specifically with this man. I would ask that people who post here to keep it respectable.


EDIT:
After reading all the responses I've gotten, I realize that I have not come across the way i intended.

First, and foremost, my issue is not with teaching creationism, as I do that in my own class anyway. My issue is teaching anything as an absolute truth, when you can't know for sure wether it is or not.

Secondly, Just because a school is a private christian school, that doesn't exclude them from being progressive, and teaching their students all possible theories and modes of thought. I feel that is a fight i can comfortably take up. To those of you telling me to drop it, that it's not worth the fight, my response is, "Hey, it's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it" ;)

And finally, to all the people taking the time to attack me personally as a teacher, I have to say that in my short time working in this profession, I have seen enough teachers that just sit back and do anything they are told, that I cry a little bit inside when i think how little their students really learn anything about thinking freely, outside the box. Hey, i'm not perfect, and neither are your kids, but I'll be damned if i don't try my hardest to make sure these kids learn something that they can apply to their lives in a positive way.
 

SmoochyTX

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If you're introducing alien pregnation theories to your students(?), then what's wrong with them hearing about creationism????

ETA - Last time I checked, I never read about alien impregnation in the Bible.
 

Balt

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I think i'll go have a talk with the teacher who organized this, on monday.

Just let it go. For your own sake. If the teacher is a fundie Christian you aren't going to be able to convince him/her of anything and you could possibly jeopardize your job.
 

Platypus

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Student: What do you think of Homosexuality?
Priest: Homosexuality is wrong. When God created us, he told us to have children. Gay people can't have children. But it has always been around, and nowadays people are parading it as if it is a good thing. If people keep this up, I suppose one day it will also be acceptable to marry your dog.

I'd have not been able to bite my tongue on this one.. though I'd have said something much worse had this been a Catholic school ;)

Religion and science don't mix, but since you're stuck teaching a private christian school there's nowt you can say.
 

DaveSimmons

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"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Makes sense for a Christian-affiliated school.

If you aren't a radical atheist you must accept at least the possibility that there is a creator who directly guided human development.

Science can remove the necessity for a creator, but that's quite different from disproving its existence.
 

SmoochyTX

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Originally posted by: her209
I bet if the OP flat out said "God did not create us," he'd get fired.
And I wonder what they'd say about his talking about alien impregnation. LOL
 

sniperruff

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Originally posted by: CadetLee
I fail to see the problem.

it would be like how you love cars from toyota and your parents go out and buy you a used cavalier from a chevy dealer without bargaining.
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: CadetLee
I fail to see the problem.

it would be like how you love cars from toyota and your parents go out and buy you a used cavalier from a chevy dealer without bargaining.

Free stuff? :D
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: her209
I bet if the OP flat out said "God did not create us," he'd get fired.
Since it would only be an opinion, and one based on faith not facts, then perhaps he should be.

Radical atheists can be just as arrogant in their unjustified certainty as the radical Christians and Muslims.

Only we agnostics know the real truth about life, the universe and everything ;)
 

BobDaMenkey

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Dude, you work for a christian school. You can't win that fight. Just let it go, and hope your students are a bit smarter than the faculty that organized that.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Makes sense for a Christian-affiliated school.

If you aren't a radical atheist you must accept at least the possibility that there is a creator who directly guided human development.

Science can remove the necessity for a creator, but that's quite different from disproving its existence.

Uhh, it's not science's job to disprove something that has never been proved to exist in the first place. That's like saying it's science's job to prove that there was never a 300 foot dinosaur roaming the earth...how exactly do you prove something that didn't exist doesn't exist?
 

Fraggable

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So, what do you want from us? If you're asking for my opinion on the matter you should be disposed of immediately and never allowed to speak on the subject again, or any subject for that matter. As a matter of fact, it makes me so mad that you're allowed to teach with your obvious bias towards evolution in a Christian school that I'm glad I don't know you or I'd probably do somethign i'd regret.

If you didn't want my opinion you should have made it more clear what you did want.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: TheChort
the school brings in a priest to talk about creationism :| :|

The school is a private christian affiliated school with about 800 students from K-12. I teach Chem, AP Chem and AP Bio to 10-12th graders. So this morning i find out about an assembly during 4th period. The assembly is broken up to 2 classes at a time. So it's a small group. I think to myself, "great, 1 hour break!" How wrong I was.

I walk in the auditorium to find out that it's a priest. He steps up and says he's only gonna talk for 5 minutes and the rest will be a debate. Ok, now I've got this a nervous optimism. Maybe things will be ok. I mean he did mention the golden word: debate. He starts off talking about the importance of us talking to each other, and that he's here to help people open up their minds, or something like that. I can never remember cliche openings like that.

Ok, so now is a good time to start up the 'Blind Date' countdown timer. You know, the one that goes something like this: "this date goes downhill in 3(beep)...2(beep)...1(beep)....

"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Oh ... no .... he ... didn't!

All I can remember at this point is some of my bio students turning to look at me, and me shaking my head. (I should insert the disclaimer that I DO introduce all possible theories to my students, including alien 'impregnation' of the planet)

So the rest of the lecture is a blur to me, because really it took everything in me not to get up and leave. I vaguely remember students asking questions and the priest shutting them down.

Student: But if Adam and Eve had only two sons, how did they reproduce
Priest: They had many, many children, but the Bible only writes about two because they were relevant to the story. The story has been simplified so even children can understand it.

Student: What do you think of Homosexuality?
Priest: Homosexuality is wrong. When God created us, he told us to have children. Gay people can't have children. But it has always been around, and nowadays people are parading it as if it is a good thing. If people keep this up, I suppose one day it will also be acceptable to marry your dog.
Whats wrong with what he said? If you teach at a private school thats Christian, he'sperfectly right in saying people were made by God not monkeys. Not even evolution says men made monkeys...
And when is homosexuality ever a good thing?
Sure you teach bio?
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Makes sense for a Christian-affiliated school.

If you aren't a radical atheist you must accept at least the possibility that there is a creator who directly guided human development.

Science can remove the necessity for a creator, but that's quite different from disproving its existence.

Uhh, it's not science's job to disprove something that has never been proved to exist in the first place. That's like saying it's science's job to prove that there was never a 300 foot dinosaur roaming the earth...how exactly do you prove something that didn't exist doesn't exist?

Unless I am mistaken, was that not his point?
 

alm99

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Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Makes sense for a Christian-affiliated school.

If you aren't a radical atheist you must accept at least the possibility that there is a creator who directly guided human development.

Science can remove the necessity for a creator, but that's quite different from disproving its existence.

Uhh, it's not science's job to disprove something that has never been proved to exist in the first place. That's like saying it's science's job to prove that there was never a 300 foot dinosaur roaming the earth...how exactly do you prove something that didn't exist doesn't exist?

Unless I am mistaken, was that not his point?

But, the big bang theory explains everything.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Makes sense for a Christian-affiliated school.

If you aren't a radical atheist you must accept at least the possibility that there is a creator who directly guided human development.

Science can remove the necessity for a creator, but that's quite different from disproving its existence.
Uhh, it's not science's job to disprove something that has never been proved to exist in the first place. That's like saying it's science's job to prove that there was never a 300 foot dinosaur roaming the earth...how exactly do you prove something that didn't exist doesn't exist?
I didn't say it was science's job. In fact science can't disprove the existence of God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster since both are supernatural beings that (if they exist) are outside of the natural laws that science seeks to explain.

For example, even the Vatican admits that the process of evolution is natural law. They add (and science can neither prove nor disprove) that while this is the way the universe normally works, God intervened to stack the deck, load the dice, color outside the lines and apply various other metaphors in order to create mankind.

Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. I agree that discussion belongs outside of a biology class (which studies natural laws not supernatural actions) but in this case the discussion did take place outside of class.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Strictly speaking, the priest was right: we didn't come from monkeys. That's not what evolutionary theory stipulates. Rather, it describes a common anscestor from which modern pimates descended.