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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
If you're introducing alien pregnation theories to your students(?), then what's wrong with them hearing about creationism????

ETA - Last time I checked, I never read about alien impregnation in the Bible.

good point!!!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Balt
I think i'll go have a talk with the teacher who organized this, on monday.

Just let it go. For your own sake. If the teacher is a fundie Christian you aren't going to be able to convince him/her of anything and you could possibly jeopardize your job.

why is this person teaching in a school where its obvious he issues with other teachers??
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: hans030390
Evolution in a Christian school? I can see why you have to present options/theories to the students. How can they be good Christians without knowing what other people think (therefore making them better at debates)?

Still, it's hard to debate when you flat out say: "Hey, guess what? You're wrong! Imagine that! Lets debate now!"

This alien theory...that's silly.

i think most people are getting it wrong

the idea is that we have still not been able to recreate life from the conditions that we believed to exist in the primordial ooze. So one possible explanation is that the basic elements on life (dna, proteins, maybe even live bacteria) crashed onto this planet in a meteorite.

I would pull all my kids from any school I caught you teaching at!! You are way beyond looney tunes!!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: TheChort
Originally posted by: her209
I bet if the OP flat out said "God did not create us," he'd get fired.

not really, most of the people that work there aren't all that religious
I think even the principal would get a kick out of that one :p

I sense the Op is in denial.....
 

kinev

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How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

There's a difference between a point of view and a belief that is in direct opposition to decades of scientific knowledge.
 

BlitzCraig64

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no matter which side you take in this debate....you have to realize that most parents who send their children to a private Christian school do so for education following their beliefs.....otherwise they would let them go to public schools or a private school with no religious affiliation. These parents have that right in this country.....don't agree with it....teach elsewhere.....
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

There's a difference between a point of view and a belief that is in direct opposition to decades of scientific knowledge.

Knowledge resulting in theory, not fact.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

There's a difference between a point of view and a belief that is in direct opposition to decades of scientific knowledge.

Knowledge resulting in theory, not fact.
Here is knowledge resulting in a fact, this is what scientific theory is, its not your average theory you like to belive it is
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/evo/blfaq_sci_theory.htm
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

There's a difference between a point of view and a belief that is in direct opposition to decades of scientific knowledge.

Knowledge resulting in theory, not fact.
Here is knowledge resulting in a fact, this is what scientific theory is, its not your average theory you like to belive it is
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/evo/blfaq_sci_theory.htm

Even if it's true for decades, scientific theory is still theory; that's part of what makes it empirical, the fact that it can be disproved.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

There's a difference between a point of view and a belief that is in direct opposition to decades of scientific knowledge.

Knowledge resulting in theory, not fact.
Here is knowledge resulting in a fact, this is what scientific theory is, its not your average theory you like to belive it is
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/evo/blfaq_sci_theory.htm

Even if it's true for decades, scientific theory is still theory; that's part of what makes it empirical, the fact that it can be disproved.

scientific theories only change slightly, they dont get changed to something completely different

This link puts it the best
http://wilstar.com/theories.htm
"A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.

An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.

A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced."

scientific theory != everyday theory
 

Red Dawn

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It's a private religious school, they should be aloowed to teach what ever religious nonsense they want.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

If you want to support God made people that is fine if you bring evidence to the table otherwise please STF.
 

Fritzo

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What kind of priest was it? I know most Catholic priests don't accept creationism, and the Pope himself had decreed to accept science with the bible hand in hand.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: kinev
How dare they even question what you're trying to get your kids to accept as fact?!?! A different point of view........NEVER!

There's a difference between a point of view and a belief that is in direct opposition to decades of scientific knowledge.

Knowledge resulting in theory, not fact.
Here is knowledge resulting in a fact, this is what scientific theory is, its not your average theory you like to belive it is
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/evo/blfaq_sci_theory.htm

Even if it's true for decades, scientific theory is still theory; that's part of what makes it empirical, the fact that it can be disproved.

I hope they never disprove gravitational theory...I don't want all my stuff to suddenly start floating around.
 

huberm

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Originally posted by: TheChort
the school brings in a priest to talk about creationism :| :|

The school is a private christian affiliated school with about 800 students from K-12. I teach Chem, AP Chem and AP Bio to 10-12th graders. So this morning i find out about an assembly during 4th period. The assembly is broken up to 2 classes at a time. So it's a small group. I think to myself, "great, 1 hour break!" How wrong I was.

I walk in the auditorium to find out that it's a priest. He steps up and says he's only gonna talk for 5 minutes and the rest will be a debate. Ok, now I've got this a nervous optimism. Maybe things will be ok. I mean he did mention the golden word: debate. He starts off talking about the importance of us talking to each other, and that he's here to help people open up their minds, or something like that. I can never remember cliche openings like that.

Ok, so now is a good time to start up the 'Blind Date' countdown timer. You know, the one that goes something like this: "this date goes downhill in 3(beep)...2(beep)...1(beep)....

"Ok kids, now remember, God created you, and everything around you. People did not come from monkeys"

Oh ... no .... he ... didn't!

All I can remember at this point is some of my bio students turning to look at me, and me shaking my head. (I should insert the disclaimer that I DO introduce all possible theories to my students, including alien 'impregnation' of the planet)



Ok, you mention 1) its a private CHRISTIAN affiliated school, 2)you introduce all possible theories to your students.

Yet you never introduced creationism to them as a theory apparently....and you say you are open minded, but when the preacher is presenting the creationism theory and your students turn around to look to you for approval, you shake your head no. How is that being open minded and letting them open up their minds?

And in your disclaimer you claim that you have considerable respect for all religions, yet you completely despise the fact that they introduced another theory to the students that BILLIONS of people in this world believe.
 

Sphexi

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You work for a Christian affiliated school. They are free to bring in whomever they feel like to present the opposite side of the story. Feel lucky that they're willing to do that, even though the guy turned out to be a tool. My highschool allowed a privately funded (and fairly militant) gay advocacy organization to come into the school and preach hatred against religions, yet refused to allow a local pastor to come in (Unitarian, was willing to do same-sex marraiges too).
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: huberm

Yet you never introduced creationism to them as a theory apparently....and you say you are open minded, but when the preacher is presenting the creationism theory and your students turn around to look to you for approval, you shake your head no. How is that being open minded and letting them open up their minds?

You didn't see my post, so here it is again:

I read something Creationism as science:
?For instance, the law of gravity states that more massive objects exert a stronger gravitational attraction than do objects with less mass when distance is held constant. This is a scientific law because it could be falsified if newly-discovered objects operate differently with respect to gravitational attraction. In contrast, the core idea among creationists is that species were placed on earth fully-formed by some supernatural entity. Obviously, there is no scientific method by which such a belief could be shown to be false. Since this special creation view is impossible to falsify, it is not science at all and the term creation science is an oxymoron. Creation science is a religious belief and as such, does not require that it be falsifiable.?
- ?Ten myths of science: Reexamining what we think we know about the nature of science?, by William F. McComas

Summary: Creation is not valid, falsifiable scientific theory, and thus cannot be taught as such.
 

Hacp

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1+1 is not equal to 2.
Bush is the the president of USA right now.
There is no sun. Its just a theory.
Sugar is not sweet.

Alternative perspective FTW! Seriously!