wtf? Fascism in Germany?

[bfdd]

You can't paint all immigration with the same brush. I'm sure no country would deny an immigration wave of Japanese professors or Swedish engineers. There is a very specific problem, that has accelerated in recent years and that is Muslim immigration. Chinese that got to the US see themselves as American; their second and third generations definitely do so. They integrate, assimilate and become productive citizens (and hot females). This is not the case with the immigration to Europe. You don't go to Europe to become a European and name your child Mohammad - it doesn't work like that.

The question is, for how long a country can tolerate such a demographic cancer, that breeds violence, siphons money and sabotages the core values of the host. Only when you go to Europe, to cities like Marseilles or Brussels and see how these cities have morphed into something decidedly non-European can you realize what a tall order is the EU facing.

For years now I've been predicting that EU politics will go deep into the right, fueled by this problem, and so far I'm spot on. In few terms, those who are considered "extremists" might become mainstream. There is an inherent danger to the stability of the EU bloc, considering open border policies and nationalistic sentiments floating up in such cases. In few years, we'll see a massive reduction in social benefits to immigrants, mass expulsions back into Northern Africa and the ME and much less tolerance towards Muslim, combined with a countering rise of Islam-sponsored violence.

Never heard anyone say that before, but a very good friend of mine is Chinese and not a citizen of the USA(yet). He refers to himself as an American and this as his country.

 

[Infohawk]

It must be the Europeans' fault. Because we all know Muslims integrate so well everwhere else.

Sorry, I don't understand the relevance of what you posted.

The point is that you can find a small percentage of any country that believes in crazy things. Only a buffoon like you thinks that 11% constitutes a norm. Once again you single out Europe for your irrational hatred.

 

[JEDIYoda]

btw isn't this the Guest Worker Program the Republicans have been pushing?

I guess its true. When you let in guest workers and treat them like second class citizens the don't assimilate.

I guess you are just being a goofball!!

You basically ignore this post because he is 100% correct.
Then you are under the flawed logic that if you treat them right(which you should be doing in the first place) they will gladly assimulate problem free.
What you don`t understand or prefer not to address is they also bring excess baggage such as their religion....they have no intentions of giving up what they believe to embrace what you believe....just because you treat them right.....lol

Originally Posted by SamurAchzar
Germans are entitled to decide who's getting in their country and who doesn't. This has nothing to do with Nazism, it has to do with maintaining national identity and some degree of homogeneous population. It's very easy to judge people from afar, but what would happen if your neighborhood was inhabited by large number of uneducated Muslim Middle Easterns, who have decidedly different values and mentality?

Many of these people aren't immigrating to Germany in order to be Germans. They are just looking for a more accommodating place to continue living their current lives, and this is destructive. This is how you form ghettos and get an uneducated, violent, religious underclass which later goes on to burn down your cities (think of Paris).

I doubt it has much to do with economic conditions, it's squarely directed at the Muslims coming in. You'd be a fool not to see the context here.
If Europe, as a whole, doesn't curb down Muslim immigration there will be severe problems down the line, from both sides.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Nazism has much to do with it. That is what motivates many of these ideas.

another oh my god Nazi-ism is the cause........maybe 6 years ago.
Not in these times sorry!

It the same as Israel wanting Jews to marry Jews, to keep the bloodlines and lineage going, so as not to dilute there jewish heritage.

Only this time it`s the germans who are seeing the big picture and it`s not because of Nazi-ism. Hitler is dead. It`s because what the german chancellor said is 100% true!!

 

[CanOWorms]

The point is that you can find a small percentage of any country that believes in crazy things. Only a buffoon like you thinks that 11% constitutes a norm. Once again you single out Europe for your irrational hatred.

The distinguishing factor is that the fact about Obama shows that many people hate him. The fact that 13% of Germans want Mr. Holocaust to return and 17% think that Jews have too much influence in Germany is more than just about hating some politician. It's about far-right extremism and the seeds of a genocide.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The distinguishing factor is that the fact about Obama shows that many people hate him. The fact that 13% of Germans want Mr. Holocaust to return and 17% think that Jews have too much influence in Germany is more than just about hating some politician. It's about far-right extremism and the seeds of a genocide.
link..............

 

[CanOWorms]

The distinguishing factor is that the fact about Obama shows that many people hate him. The fact that 13% of Germans want Mr. Holocaust to return and 17% think that Jews have too much influence in Germany is more than just about hating some politician. It's about far-right extremism and the seeds of a genocide.
link..............

Maybe you should read the thread. I pasted the article & link earlier in the thread. It's only the 5th post...

 

[WelshBloke]

The distinguishing factor is that the fact about Obama shows that many people hate him. The fact that 13% of Germans want Mr. Holocaust to return and 17% think that Jews have too much influence in Germany is more than just about hating some politician. It's about far-right extremism and the seeds of a genocide.

Theres a subtle but very important difference between a Führer and the Führer, but you knew that, it just wouldn't fit your trolling.

 

[JSt0rm]

As Obama marches blindly into the same failed mistakes of the Euro's.

Do you think about obama when you masturbate?

 

[CanOWorms]

Theres a subtle but very important difference between a Führer and the Führer, but you knew that, it just wouldn't fit your trolling.

The word Fuhrer is explicitly linked to Adolf Hitler in Germany, but you knew that, it just wouldn't fit your trolling.

 

[Genx87]

13% of Germans want the return of Adolf Hitler. I somehow doubt that Germany is NOT on the path to looking to plunge the world into another war or commit a genocide.

They are entitled to negative opinions, but given their history it is extremely dangerous. How many times will we need to repeat catastrophe in Europe?

In addition, we need to remember that many of the 9/11 hijackers were radicalized in Germany. Germany's cruel policies and far-right extremism creates terrorists who kill thousands of Americans.

So what is your solution to 13% believing this? Invade Germany to prevent this mythical 3rd World War?

 

[Scotteq]

I hope you're right.



Why does it even matter?

Most Christians in the USA consider themselves Christian before American.

Because most people are intelligent enough to understand the difference between their religion and the country they live in. But then again, I suppose this form of willful stupidity would be de rigeur on a forum where if you're not a card carrying Left Of Center Democrat, then you're automatically a NeoCon. :\

 

[WelshBloke]

The word Fuhrer is explicitly linked to Adolf Hitler in Germany, but you knew that, it just wouldn't fit your trolling.

No its not.

 

[BeauJangles]

The distinguishing factor is that the fact about Obama shows that many people hate him. The fact that 13% of Germans want Mr. Holocaust to return and 17% think that Jews have too much influence in Germany is more than just about hating some politician. It's about far-right extremism and the seeds of a genocide.
link..............

No. It's not.

Germany has a problem with xenophobia and antisemitism which have both been on the rise. Their problem, however, pales in comparison to their neighbors and it reflects a trend across ALL of Europe, not just Germany.

Most Germans have struggled with their legacy from the Second World War for sixty years now. Germany has closely aligned itself with the interests of Israel, for instance. As the generation of Germans who were alive during the holocaust slowly dies out, most Germans are able to come to terms with the "old" Germany and the "new" Germany much easier. Though, clearly, there is a geographic divide. You will generally find that in the East xenopobia and antisemitism are far more prevalent than in the West though that shouldn't really be surprising either, considering the economic disparity between East and West.

As for a second holocaust or a return of Hitler, you are conflating the opinions of a small minority of Germans with the overwhelming opinions of the country itself.

 

[BeauJangles]

The word Fuhrer is explicitly linked to Adolf Hitler in Germany, but you knew that, it just wouldn't fit your trolling.

If that were the case, saying the word Fuehrer would be treated like other Nazi terms and symbols. For instance, in Germany, you cannot give the Nazi salute in public, you cannot fly a swastika, the army cannot goose step, and references to the Third Reich, while obviously allowed, cannot be an endorsement of their actions.

There is a whole branch of police in Germany basically dedicated to enforcing these rules.

 

[Scotteq]

The word Fuhrer is explicitly linked to Adolf Hitler in Germany, but you knew that, it just wouldn't fit your trolling.

This line of reasoning only works when people are allowed to be successful in redefining arguments into some Cloud KooKooLand terms where the the individuals making such ridiculous assertions could actually be perceived as being correct.

If that were the case, saying the word Fuehrer would be treated like other Nazi terms and symbols. For instance, in Germany, you cannot give the Nazi salute in public, you cannot fly a swastika, the army cannot goose step, and references to the Third Reich, while obviously allowed, cannot be an endorsement of their actions.

There is a whole branch of police in Germany basically dedicated to enforcing these rules.

Not to mention re-issuing millions and millions of Führerschein.

 

[soulcougher73]

Germans are entitled to decide who's getting in their country and who doesn't. This has nothing to do with Nazism, it has to do with maintaining national identity and some degree of homogeneous population. It's very easy to judge people from afar, but what would happen if your neighborhood was inhabited by large number of uneducated Muslim Middle Easterns, who have decidedly different values and mentality?

Many of these people aren't immigrating to Germany in order to be Germans. They are just looking for a more accommodating place to continue living their current lives, and this is destructive. This is how you form ghettos and get an uneducated, violent, religious underclass which later goes on to burn down your cities (think of Paris).

I doubt it has much to do with economic conditions, it's squarely directed at the Muslims coming in. You'd be a fool not to see the context here.
If Europe, as a whole, doesn't curb down Muslim immigration there will be severe problems down the line, from both sides.

This is pretty much what i think as well. Nothing wrong with wanting to maintain your national identity and traditions. And if immigrants are causing unwanted changes then the only way to deal with it is to get rid of them (i dont mean killing) or only allow immigrants who actual plan to assimilate into your country/culture.

 

[soulcougher73]

Nazism has much to do with it. That is what motivates many of these ideas.



Many of these people were born in Germany. They are German.

Also, the riots you're speaking about in Paris shows that the people are assimilating. The French have a history of protesting, rioting, and other mass-scale type protests. That is their culture. People partake in it. But because it's a destructive aspect of the French culture it's now foreign?



There are severe problems down the line if they don't peacefully let their fertile and productive lands sustain a reasonable population. The domestic population is declining at an astonishing rate. They need immigrants and the world needs a Europe to be productive.

Just because you are born somewhere does not making you one of them. You can call yourself a german citizen, but you cannot call yourself a german. Apples and oranges.

 

[BeauJangles]

This is pretty much what i think as well. Nothing wrong with wanting to maintain your national identity and traditions. And if immigrants are causing unwanted changes then the only way to deal with it is to get rid of them (i dont mean killing) or only allow immigrants who actual plan to assimilate into your country/culture.

There is no doubt that countries should be entitled to control their immigration, but Germany (and other European countries) has/have been entirely unfair to these immigrants.

They want everything on their (Germany's) terms.

Workers can stay in the country as long as they are deemed "useful" or "necessary" for the economy. The minute the economy slowed down, many faced deportation, despite living in Germany for multiple generations.

Foreign workers are not particularly welcomed into German society. They have no path to citizenship and no path to integration. They are treated as second-class members of society.

Germany (and France) have ridden these immigrant workers for everything they're worth over the last forty years and now that they've outlived their usefulness, they want to toss them out. That isn't right and it isn't a sustainable economic immigration policy.

 

[Infohawk]

Germany (and France) have ridden these immigrant workers for everything they're worth over the last forty years and now that they've outlived their usefulness, they want to toss them out.

So you're saying countries have to support useless immigrants? That's what it sounds like.

 

[BeauJangles]

So you're saying countries have to support useless immigrants? That's what it sounds like.

Useless?

These immigrants are the folks that have laid the base Germany's economy over the last forty years. Without them, Germany wouldn't have had enough warm bodies to fuel their growing economy.

Despite that the fact that these folks were essential for the economic growth experienced by Germany, the country has turned their back on them now that things have slowed down. I'm sorry, but that isn't right. You depend on these people and they give up their lives, families, and everything else to move into your country and then, suddenly, you sweep the rug out from under them?

Guess what happens when the economy picks back up? Germany will open its doors again and tell these people how happy they are to have them. They'll be begging for them to come back.

It's disgusting and it's disgusting the way that they are treated within the country.

And, even if you do think it's right, it has lead to tremendous problems within the country, most of which could have been avoided if these people had been offered a path to citizenship and if the country had made an effort to make them Germans.

Germany and France are both guilty of using these people and now they're surprised that:

(a) after ten, twenty, or even thirty years within the country these people don't want to suddenly pack up and move? Many of the "turkish" people that live within Germany have never been to Turkey. They've lived their entire lives in Germany. They are only not "Germans" because Germany wanted it that way... and now they don't.

b) that their country is suddenly less German? It is foolish beyond belief.

These immigration issues are a classic case of wanting to have a your cake and eat it too.

 

[alphatarget1]

there is no doubt that countries should be entitled to control their immigration, but germany (and other european countries) has/have been entirely unfair to these immigrants.

They want everything on their (germany's) terms.

Workers can stay in the country as long as they are deemed "useful" or "necessary" for the economy. The minute the economy slowed down, many faced deportation, despite living in germany for multiple generations.

Foreign workers are not particularly welcomed into german society. They have no path to citizenship and no path to integration. They are treated as second-class members of society.

Germany (and france) have ridden these immigrant workers for everything they're worth over the last forty years and now that they've outlived their usefulness, they want to toss them out. That isn't right and it isn't a sustainable economic immigration policy.

qft.

 

[OutHouse]

Germans are entitled to decide who's getting in their country and who doesn't. This has nothing to do with Nazism, it has to do with maintaining national identity and some degree of homogeneous population. It's very easy to judge people from afar, but what would happen if your neighborhood was inhabited by large number of uneducated Muslim Middle Easterns, who have decidedly different values and mentality?

Many of these people aren't immigrating to Germany in order to be Germans. They are just looking for a more accommodating place to continue living their current lives, and this is destructive. This is how you form ghettos and get an uneducated, violent, religious underclass which later goes on to burn down your cities (think of Paris).

I doubt it has much to do with economic conditions, it's squarely directed at the Muslims coming in. You'd be a fool not to see the context here.
If Europe, as a whole, doesn't curb down Muslim immigration there will be severe problems down the line, from both sides.

well said.

 

[OutHouse]

Not to mention re-issuing millions and millions of Führerschein

hehehe

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

They are entitled to their culture and tradition.

Who is?

If you up and leave your land of origin and are allowed to move into someone elses, you better damn well integrate yourself. You don't have to denounce your heritage and culture, but don't impose it on the people that let you live in their nation.

Why is it now, that the minority trumps the majority? No longer does the minority want to be equal, the minority wants to be MORE equal.