Woz calls out apple for being arrogant with screen size!

[kaerflog]

Rotate the iPhone 5 to the side and you have full 1152 pixels for width. Since Safari can go fullscreen in landscape, there is more to see, and absolutely no need to scroll left or right on any website.

You are not locked to just portrait mode after all.

If you are lying down, then just put the top end of the phone down. It won't keep rotating back into portrait mode anymore. The phone is effectively locked into landscape then.

That's one of my problems with some Android phones. There is no way to lock the browser into landscape mode. I guess I can write a custom browser that fits my own needs, but if the phone came with a good browser built in, I shouldn't need to do that.

I have a GS3, too. But after using the iPhone 5, I realize why Apple made their screen the way they did.

Also to say, typing up responses like this is much better with iPhone 5 in landscape than Android in portrait.

The GS3 does the same as the ip5 in landscape mode.
You can see the entire webpage without having to move from side to side.
But we can getting off the point.
I was replying to Mrx8503 about portrait mode and how the ip5 doesn't help it one bit but only making it longer.

I hate landcape mode for web browsing.
Too much scrolling. You can't even see 1 full article without having to scroll.
I'd much rather move a bit from side to side and seeing more than 1 full article than to constantly scroll.
Just my preference.

 

[runawayprisoner]

The GS3 does the same as the ip5 in landscape mode.
You can see the entire webpage without having to move from side to side.
But we can getting off the point.
I was replying to Mrx8503 about portrait mode and how the ip5 doesn't help it one bit but only making it longer.

I hate landcape mode for web browsing.
Too much scrolling. You can't even see 1 full article without having to scroll.
I'd much rather move a bit from side to side and seeing more than 1 full article than to constantly scroll.
Just my preference.

You can read my last post to see that Android and iPhone have fundamentally different design goals when it comes to the web browser.

So it ends up being that the iPhone has its own way of doing things in portrait, and an Android phone has its own way as well.

But like you said, it's just a preference, and I prefer my iPhone 5 more than my S3.

 

[ponyo]

runawayprisoner, the text formatting on Android depends on which browser you use. You used the stock Android browser in your example. If you use Chrome, the text becomes large like Safari and you can read desktop pages comfortably in portrait view.

 

[aylafan]

I'm comparing the iPhone 5 to an Android phone in portrait because people keep saying the iPhone 5 lacks "width", but that's not exactly the case. If you want "width" on any phone, be it Android or iPhone, you only have to rotate the phone to landscape.

If the text is too small on the Galaxy S3 then you can manually change the size in the default browser.

Settings -> Accessibility -> Text Size



You can also zoom in on the web page by double tapping on the screen instead of pinch-to-zoom. You can adjust this setting in Accessibility.

P.S. Text looks different on every browser. The same thing applies to Internet Explorer and Firefox on the computer. You just need to tweak it to your own preference.

 

[MrX8503]

The GS3 does the same as the ip5 in landscape mode.
You can see the entire webpage without having to move from side to side.
But we can getting off the point.
I was replying to Mrx8503 about portrait mode and how the ip5 doesn't help it one bit but only making it longer.

I hate landcape mode for web browsing.
Too much scrolling. You can't even see 1 full article without having to scroll.
I'd much rather move a bit from side to side and seeing more than 1 full article than to constantly scroll.
Just my preference.

I can read text in portrait without scrolling left/right. Having a high ppi screen helps with that. Why are you scrolling left/right?

 

[grkM3]

What will you people say if the iPhone 6 is a 4.3 in phone?then an iPhone 7 a 4.6?

 

[runawayprisoner]

runawayprisoner, the text formatting on Android depends on which browser you use. You used the stock Android browser in your example. If you use Chrome, the text becomes large like Safari and you can read desktop pages comfortably in portrait view.

You are right in that Chrome does have the right text rendering, but I don't like how it's missing support for certain things. Mainly Flash.

Yes, I know the "Flash is dead" rap, but honestly, many websites still throw it out on Android. The same websites serve direct h.264 MP4 contents to iOS, though... so clearly, there is still some favoritism going on.

But in any case, I'm stuck with Flash on some websites on my Android phone still. If not for those video clips, I would have used Chrome as my main browser ages ago. I use it as my main browser on the iPhone 5 after all. I only showed the stock S3 browser and Mobile Safari because that's what comes stock with every new S3 or iPhone 5.

Also of note, Chrome doesn't come preinstalled on every Android device. In fact, the Nexus 7 is the only Android device I know of that has it preinstalled.

If the text is too small on the Galaxy S3 then you can manually change the size in the default browser.

Settings -> Accessibility -> Text Size



You can also zoom in on the web page by double tapping on the screen instead of pinch-to-zoom. You can adjust this setting in Accessibility.

P.S. Text looks different on every browser. The same thing applies to Internet Explorer and Firefox on the computer. You just need to tweak it to your own preference.

Like I just demonstrated, changing the text size in the default browser can lead to... unpleasant things regarding the layout of some websites. Some websites just don't like certain parts of their texts tinkered with, and the "text size" in settings changes... every text, which is not good.

I can zoom in on pages, yes, but I prefer not to. The behavior is sporadic on Android... especially with "Fit Text To Width" enabled. I don't like it on iOS, either. I zoom in if I have no other option. But in general, I prefer to just scroll and not have to worry about left or right. It's another one of those silly preference things.

If I do have to talk about zooming and scrolling, though, iOS still does a far better job at that than Android. I don't know why it has taken Google so long to perfect this on Android. It didn't really take Apple that long to perfect it.

What will you people say if the iPhone 6 is a 4.3 in phone?then an iPhone 7 a 4.6?

Too big. iPhone 5 is already borderline on usability to me. My thumb can't reach the ends of the display on a diagonal line so easily. Making it bigger would just be worse.

I think the iPhone 4/4S was the perfect form factor... and Apple could have just made it thinner... but I guess they couldn't resist the move to 16:9. It was the perfect excuse because then it would mean they have an excuse for Airplay Mirroring. "What you see on your phone is mirrored exactly on your TV" or some BS like that.

Ah well, at least it makes movies larger since there is no longer thick black borders.

 

[zaydq]

I bought my iphone 5 because the S3 was too big...

I loved the S3's screen but I couldn't put it in my pocket without revamping my wardrobe (bit exaggerated).

The iphone 5 happened to feel right for 1 handed use when needby and felt comfortable on my face when talking... the wife got an S3 and its a great phone with a marvelous screen but it just wasn't for me, i can't imagine my ideal phone getting any bigger than an iphone 5.

(Before the hate, let me just mention i was a blackberry user up until i bought my iphone5 so theres no fanboyism)

 

[MrX8503]

What will you people say if the iPhone 6 is a 4.3 in phone?then an iPhone 7 a 4.6?

I'd be ok with 4.3. 4.6 is too big though.

 

[bearxor]

I'd be ok with 4.3. 4.6 is too big though.

As I've noted, my top end screen size is likely 4.3". It also depends on the overall device though.

For instance, I wouldn't take a Droid RAZR, but I would take a RAZR M, even though they're both 4.3" screens.

 

[Chiropteran]

You are right in that Chrome does have the right text rendering, but I don't like how it's missing support for certain things. Mainly Flash.

Compared to safari on iPhone? How is flash relevant at all, it's not supported on any mobile devices anymore.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Compared to safari on iPhone? How is flash relevant at all, it's not supported on any mobile devices anymore.

Like I mentioned, Flash is almost a requirement on Android in order to access some video clips on certain websites (Engadget comes to mind).

In contrast, the iPhone gets served direct h.264 MP4 container (again, on Engadget) in Safari and any derivative web browser, so it does not need Flash to play back videos.

Even though Flash is no longer in development in any mobile device, it's still a necessary component as far as interactivity with websites go.

 

[Chiropteran]

I still don't understand. I don't often visit Engadget for it's videos, so I went ahead and tested with my nexus 7 on chrome. The videos play fine. Are you sure the problem exits?

 

[runawayprisoner]

I still don't understand. I don't often visit Engadget for it's videos, so I went ahead and tested with my nexus 7 on chrome. The videos play fine. Are you sure the problem exits?

Yes. I can't play the same videos on my Galaxy S3 or Nexus S.

I think there is a fundamental difference between how certain websites detect a device. If it detects an iPad or a Nexus tablet running Google Chrome, then it serves different contents, and when it detects an iPhone or an Android phone, it serves things differently.

Personally, as a developer myself, I always try to tell my clients to serve direct h.264 containers even for Android devices. But obviously, I can't make the same suggestions to all websites on the internet.

 

[Chiropteran]

They don't need room to dissipate heat. None of the SOCs generate enough to worry about.

Nexus 4 seems to prove you wrong.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Nexus 4 seems to prove you wrong.

Glbenchmark results list show many people getting results that mirror the AT results done in a freezer. You really think everyone is doing their benchmarks in a freezer?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2281665

 

[Red Storm]

Yes. I can't play the same videos on my Galaxy S3 or Nexus S.

I think there is a fundamental difference between how certain websites detect a device. If it detects an iPad or a Nexus tablet running Google Chrome, then it serves different contents, and when it detects an iPhone or an Android phone, it serves things differently.

Personally, as a developer myself, I always try to tell my clients to serve direct h.264 containers even for Android devices. But obviously, I can't make the same suggestions to all websites on the internet.

I just tried a few random videos from Engadget and they work on my S3 using Chrome. Is there a particular video you can link me to? Maybe it's an isolated thing?

 

[WelshBloke]

Nexus 4 seems to prove you wrong.

Isn't the temp being reported by the battery sensor?

I've not read up on the N4 issue but I'll have a look when I get time.

I'm going to bet that there's a bug that was causing the phone to draw too much power and overheat the battery. That's the normal cause of overheating in a phone.

 

[badb0y]

Isn't the temp being reported by the battery sensor?

I've not read up on the N4 issue but I'll have a look when I get time.

I'm going to bet that there's a bug that was causing the phone to draw too much power and overheat the battery. That's the normal cause of overheating in a phone.

It doesn't matter if the the battery is overheating or the screen is overheating, there is a definite impact on the performance of the SoC because of temperature of the device and it has to throttle to get temperatures under control. The original assertion that temperature and heat dissipation was not a problem in mobile devices has been proven wrong by the N4 unless Anandtech has a defective device.

 

[WelshBloke]

It doesn't matter if the the battery is overheating or the screen is overheating, there is a definite impact on the performance of the SoC because of temperature of the device and it has to throttle to get temperatures under control. The original assertion that temperature and heat dissipation was not a problem in mobile devices has been proven wrong by the N4 unless Anandtech has a defective device.

My original statement was about the SOC being thermally constrained not the battery.

 

[badb0y]

My original statement was about the SOC being thermally constrained not the battery.

What's wrong with N4's battery? Are they using some sort of supercharged battery that makes the device so hot the SoC has to throttle?

 

[WelshBloke]

What's wrong with N4's battery? Are they using some sort of supercharged battery that makes the device so hot the SoC has to throttle?

What?

 

[Red Storm]

It doesn't matter if the the battery is overheating or the screen is overheating, there is a definite impact on the performance of the SoC because of temperature of the device and it has to throttle to get temperatures under control. The original assertion that temperature and heat dissipation was not a problem in mobile devices has been proven wrong by the N4 unless Anandtech has a defective device.

An issue which apparently only Anandtech had.

 

[ponyo]

It's possible to throttle by running intensive apps while charging the phone. Most phones will get pretty hot if you play taxing game while charging. And if you really want to throttle, mount your phone/tablet to the car windshield on a hot summer day and run Google Navigation while having the phone/tablet charge via car charger. I had to unplug the charger to the tablet because the message prompted to unplug the charger because the battery was overheating.

 

[badb0y]

What?

You just blamed the throttling on the N4's battery I am just asking you why would the N4 specifically be having this problem. Is it because there is something different about the battery compared to S3 or Galaxy Nexus?

It's possible to throttle by running intensive apps while charging the phone. Most phones will get pretty hot if you play taxing game while charging. And if you really want to throttle, mount your phone/tablet to the car windshield on a hot summer day and run Google Navigation while having the phone/tablet charge via car charger. I had to unplug the charger to the tablet because the message prompted to unplug the charger because the battery was overheating.

Absolutely, the original claim was that smartphone SoC don't produce enough heat to make a difference when obviously they do since some phones have to throttle to get the device temperature under control.