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destrekor

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yeah, I'm not paying more than retail for it.

Plus I plan to use best buy 18-month financing for a chunk of it. I don't want to get rid of most of my income tax return all at once - my truck has largely been problem free as of late, and I know that just cannot last. So I'll keep my money on hand for emergencies, and take care of the surface's costs through 18 months.

But regardless, there is also a point here: I will never pay more than MSRP for anything, ever. It's not THAT big of a deal - I want one, pretty damn bad, but not enough to give a third-party asshole a profit.
I did that with the PS3, mind you, and made a decent profit but missed the boat by a small bit, didn't see the highest initial margins.
 

darkewaffle

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I thought the commercial was kind of neat to watch. It's like their new IE one about the "90s" or whatever, they're not bad but I don't think they really sell the products very well either.
 

finbarqs

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I did it for the ps3 also, but ended up returning it because it wasn't worth what I wanted to make out of it
 

finbarqs

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wow... pen does not work in photoshop properly... the pressure inputs doesn't work! but All wacom pens work, so does the samsung wacom pen too...
 

Red Storm

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I thought the commercial was kind of neat to watch. It's like their new IE one about the "90s" or whatever, they're not bad but I don't think they really sell the products very well either.

I thought it was a pretty terrible commercial. There's not one mention of it being a full featured Windows machine. It's just dancing and clicking and every now and then they go "Look business users! You can circle bar graphs!"
 

luv2liv

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Let us know how it works out. Just crashed on my ATIV 500t, and haven't cared enough to troubleshoot.

it works fine on my win7 64bit with mouse input :)
im amazed!
still figuring out how to get files in and out with regular windows folder
 

darkewaffle

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I used BlueStacks a little bit on my Win7 PC in order to use the Blizzard authenticator. It worked reasonably well but was still kind of slow and I had it crash/freeze occasionally, plus the only other app I tried on it didn't seem to work at all (the SWTOR authenticator). Would be interesting to see if that catching on would influence buyers.
 

Griffinhart

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I'm now on day 3 with my new Surface Pro and I now have some reasonably informed thoughts on it so far.

I'll start off with the negatives, just because.

Battery Life
Obviously this is the biggest weakness with the device. I would dearly love this device to have 6+ hours of battery life, but I seem to be getting just over 4 hours with general use. It's on par with my HP Touchsmart TM2 convertible tablet. That makes it serviceable, but It is something I would love to see improved.

They have been hinting that they may release some soft of external battery option at some point. That may help. We'll have to see what/how they implement it.

Price
There is no way around it. It's an expensive device. I'm actually fine with the cost of the device itself. For what you are get getting, It's not that far off from a laptop with similar specs.

That said, It really, really, should have come with one of the type covers.

Disk Space Available
Simply not an issue for me. While I did get the 128GB version, I never considered the whole usable space thing an issue. This is a full windows device, and no one would have ever complained about a recovery partition and the size of the OS if they were to purchase a laptop or ultrabook.

Performance
In a word, excellent. It boots in seconds and my desktop apps fly.

Photoshop CS6 loads in 5 seconds and I don't see any performance issues when editing a photo.

I wasn't expecting a gaming machine when I got the Surface. I was actually surprised when I saw that I could run Civ5 reasonably well on it. I even am able to run Everquest 2, with fairly low settings. I don't see myself ever gaming on this device, but I am pleased that it's able to do so even if somewhat limited.

Pen Support
There are a few issues here. The pen generally works, but they need to get the proper Wacom drivers working to support more applications.

For note taking it works very well with One Note. Palm rejection seems to work very well. I haven't had nearly as many issues in this device as I have in others like the HP Touchsmart or Asus EP121.

General Hardware
I think Microsoft deserves some credit here. They could have gone with a number lesser features like many others have, but they didn't.

USB 3, Bluetooth 3.0, mSata, Dual band WiFi rather than just 2.4 ghz that most internal wifi cards seem to give. They could have cut a few corners here, but they didn't.

The device also feels solid. It doesn't feel cheap at all.

Type Cover
I went with the $130 type cover. While it was way to much money for what you get, it's really outstanding. I find it very easy to type on, and I can maintain a very reasonable speed when working on it. It is very thin and light for a keyboard. surprisingly so.

It attaches easily, it doesn't add too much thickness overall when used as a cover. Closing it puts the Surface to sleep as if it were a laptop. Flipping it under disables it so you don't have to take it off if you want to quickly use it in tablet mode.

These are my initial thoughts on the Surface Pro so far. I have been making a point to use it at work to take notes and complete check lists in PDF format. I also do my personal e-mail, surf, listen to music as well. It's the best tablet PC I have owned so far.
 

lopri

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I remember installing that bluestack thing with AMD graphics drivers by accident. (edit: on one of my desktops, not on Surface) Is it an Android emulator?
 
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dagamer34

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Picked up a 64GB Surface Pro at a local Best Buy. Liking it so far. Does get a bit warm but it's still usable. Stylus is very helpful on the desktop side. Getting ready to run some battery tests.
 

gorcorps

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I remember installing that bluestack thing with AMD graphics drivers by accident. (edit: on one of my desktops, not on Surface) Is it an Android emulator?

Yes.

I tried it on my win 7 desktop and it worked well enough (and that's just a beta). I would think the version made specifically for the surface would be even better. Definitely worth a shot since it's free.
 

Canbacon

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Picked up a 64GB Surface Pro at a local Best Buy. Liking it so far. Does get a bit warm but it's still usable. Stylus is very helpful on the desktop side. Getting ready to run some battery tests.

How good is the pen input for MS Word 13 and One Note? I only got to try it for the browser address input and the fresh paint metro app.

Hopefully the rumour of more 128 Surface Pro's is true and I can get my hands on one this weekend.
 

destrekor

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Good news and bad news.

Good news:
iFixit teardown of the Pro is up.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+Teardown/12842/

Bad news:
It looks to be an adventure to even think about swapping the SSD.

Saw that this morning. Not happy about that at all. Basically, a guaranteed warranty-voiding operation (though, I didn't see any of that tamper-evident tape like on the Surface RT teardown).

I figured it would be like their consoles (Sony does a similar thing), where you may be able to get a few initial screws or something, but to get anything done you have to destroy a piece of tape that will make it clear you opened it up.

So, sure - you can get in there and replace the SSD - but I'll be aiming for the 128GB model for initial on-board storage. If I still have the device past the 1 year mark (or whenever the warranty period is up), I'll probably tear it open to upgrade the storage then.
 

Canbacon

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I'm in the same boat as you, going to see how far I can go with 128 then see what I can do.
 

destrekor

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Another good reason to get the 128GB over the 64GB:

If it's got the Crucial/Micron 64GB mSATA SSD, it probably has less than 100MB/s Write speed.
The 128GB drive in the same family has a Write speed around 250MB/s.


Oh, that reminds me - USB3 Thumb Drives, while the top of the line models are expensive, are apparently indeed APPROACHING, if not, ahem, surpassing some SSD speeds. Perhaps not read speed, which can be more important most of the time, but write speeds may be extremely important for many people. ;)
 

Red Storm

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Oh, that reminds me - USB3 Thumb Drives, while the top of the line models are expensive, are apparently indeed APPROACHING, if not, ahem, surpassing some SSD speeds. Perhaps not read speed, which can be more important most of the time, but write speeds may be extremely important for many people. ;)

But will they last as long as an actual SSD though, especially when being used as such and not just occasional copy pasting?
 

dagamer34

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Completed my first battery test: If the system is set to min brightness, WiFi on, Bluetooth off, local account, fully updated, screen saver off, and left completely idle, the system will last approximately 8hrs 13 minutes before it shuts itself off (critical battery percentage set to 3%, can't be set any lower).

As such, the major inference I can make is that even when the CPU is down to it's lowest possible frequency (800Mhz), the platform as a whole is still consuming too much power. Supposedly Haswell fixes this, as the system really needs to get ~12 hours under this scenario to get 7-8 hours in typical use.
 

Red Storm

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Completed my first battery test: If the system is set to min brightness, WiFi on, Bluetooth off, local account, fully updated, screen saver off, and left completely idle, the system will last approximately 8hrs 13 minutes before it shuts itself off (critical battery percentage set to 3%, can't be set any lower).

As such, the major inference I can make is that even when the CPU is down to it's lowest possible frequency (800Mhz), the platform as a whole is still consuming too much power. Supposedly Haswell fixes this, as the system really needs to get ~12 hours under this scenario to get 7-8 hours in typical use.

It dies in 8 hours doing nothing? That's terrible.