Because there are no racist Democrats and no racist liberals. :roll:
If I give you a dollar, would you please go buy yourself a clue? On the other hand, your comments are usually a good source of amusement, so maybe not.
Because there are no racist Democrats and no racist liberals. :roll:
If I give you a dollar, would you please go buy yourself a clue? On the other hand, your comments are usually a good source of amusement, so maybe not.
1. By law, businesses can refuse service for any reason and I respect and agree with it.
2. Young children can be very "noisy." In addition, minorities, particularly lower-class ones, can have a particular set of "manners." Not only are these mannerisms different than perhaps, more affluent peoples, but the more affluent frequently detest them and the people who exhibit them.
3. having those "mannerisms" disturb a nice relaxing time at the pool is unacceptable and I would complain about it to management. a business that promises a nice relaxing time could easily suffer monetarily from early afternoon chaos
4. I am playing the devil's advocate in not raising to the level of race ...yet
5. what kind of dumb fuck business owner/employee ever ever ever brings race into play these days - you are just begging for trouble: lawsuits, bad press, protests, etc.. You by all means have the right not refuse service but don't be a dick about it.
Regardless of whether race really was the core issue, the company did an incredibly stupid thing by bringing race into it. Good luck to you bastards - you are going to need it.
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I have mixed feelings as to whether the government should be involved. Initially I would recommend that the market take care of it - and let other proprietors that come out on top enjoy the free press.
2. Young children can be very "noisy." In addition, minorities, particularly lower-class ones, can have a particular set of "manners." Not only are these mannerisms different than perhaps, more affluent peoples, but the more affluent frequently detest them and the people who exhibit them.
3. having those "mannerisms" disturb a nice relaxing time at the pool is unacceptable and I would complain about it to management. a business that promises a nice relaxing time could easily suffer monetarily from early afternoon chaos
4. I am playing the devil's advocate in not raising to the level of race ...yet
5. what kind of dumb fuck business owner/employee ever ever ever brings race into play these days - you are just begging for trouble: lawsuits, bad press, protests, etc.. You by all means have the right not refuse service but don't be a dick about it.
Regardless of whether race really was the core issue, the company did an incredibly stupid thing by bringing race into it. Good luck to you bastards - you are going to need it.
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I have mixed feelings as to whether the government should be involved. Initially I would recommend that the market take care of it - and let other proprietors that come out on top enjoy the free press.
I've heard that cnn.com has picked up the story, however I can't get that site to load. Can anyone else link it?
Just another racist "conservative" here. I say that because Phokus pretty much says all conservatives are racist.
It is good to know that I will hate the non-white baby my wife and I are hoping to adopt. Really good information to know. I also am so glad that I now know that the free market is racist. Good info. I never realized a concept can be racist.
It is also good to know that the whole MIT racial preferences test is completely wrong. As a white male, it test out that I showed a ever so small preference for black. So yeah I am racist against my own white folks. Which I knew because all conservatives are racists. BTW, not all conservatives are republicans. I sure as shit didn't vote for McCain.......
As to this story, it is sad. It is sad that some people judge others primarily on skin color. Of course there are first impressions when dealing with people but my impressions have NOTHING to do with skin color. White male that comes in for an interview wearing baggy pants and unkept appearance will give me the same first impression as a black dude doing the same thing.
Are there racists? Sure but every generation, the racism of whites gets less. For instance my mom grew up in the 60s and she is racist. No doubt. But I managed to avoid it. Probably because my schools were all at least 50% black so being around minorities my entire life lead to me not distinguishing based on color. There were bad apples of every color. All this in the racist south too. There is one thing I do find funny. If we look at California, in general you will find white kids avoided having to interact with blacks. It was called the great white flight and it was rampant in California and other states. In the south, there was no where for whites to go so we all had to live together.
My upper middle class neighborhood has every ethnicity and race. Everyone my age in South Carolina had to learn to live together. And most of the kids my age didn't give two shits about race. Were their white racists? Sure some of the country boys held onto their parent's racism. Were some of the blacks racists? Absolutely for the same reasons, they held onto their parents pain during the 60s.
It is good to know that I will hate the non-white baby my wife and I are hoping to adopt. Really good information to know. I also am so glad that I now know that the free market is racist. Good info. I never realized a concept can be racist.
It is also good to know that the whole MIT racial preferences test is completely wrong. As a white male, it test out that I showed a ever so small preference for black. So yeah I am racist against my own white folks. Which I knew because all conservatives are racists. BTW, not all conservatives are republicans. I sure as shit didn't vote for McCain.......
As to this story, it is sad. It is sad that some people judge others primarily on skin color. Of course there are first impressions when dealing with people but my impressions have NOTHING to do with skin color. White male that comes in for an interview wearing baggy pants and unkept appearance will give me the same first impression as a black dude doing the same thing.
Are there racists? Sure but every generation, the racism of whites gets less. For instance my mom grew up in the 60s and she is racist. No doubt. But I managed to avoid it. Probably because my schools were all at least 50% black so being around minorities my entire life lead to me not distinguishing based on color. There were bad apples of every color. All this in the racist south too. There is one thing I do find funny. If we look at California, in general you will find white kids avoided having to interact with blacks. It was called the great white flight and it was rampant in California and other states. In the south, there was no where for whites to go so we all had to live together.
My upper middle class neighborhood has every ethnicity and race. Everyone my age in South Carolina had to learn to live together. And most of the kids my age didn't give two shits about race. Were their white racists? Sure some of the country boys held onto their parent's racism. Were some of the blacks racists? Absolutely for the same reasons, they held onto their parents pain during the 60s.
Phokus
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I find it hilarious that conservatives get upset every time i point out how the modern day conservative movement is based around racism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
About as racist as this: (actually no violence was involved at the pool, so this is worse)
Of course, the resident Malcom Xs don't have much to say about it. Only whites can be racist.
http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html
Of course, the resident Malcom Xs don't have much to say about it. Only whites can be racist.
http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html
snicker snicker - that's what a lot of ignorant, racist, boring people say to justify their behavior. "I'm not a bigot, I just tell it like it is! F U p.c. police!" Political correctness is stupid, but justifying your own ignorance by way of rebellious, chest pumping macho "anti-pc" rhetoric is pretty asinine too..
QueBert
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Where does it say these kids are lower class? I would be really surprised if any of these 60 campers were lower class. Seeing how lower class parents wouldn't have the money to send their children to summer camp. It could possibly be some sort of government funded program. But I doubt that as I lived in a poor area for years and there were zero programs in place to do anything for kids. This story has nothing to do with class and everything to do with them being minorities. Hell, it could have been 60 Carltons from Beverly Hills and they would have been turned away just as quick.
n yusef
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Every poster who has defended the club has assumed that the sixty kids were rowdy, "low-class," gangsters, etc., without any evidence except their race. And no one has objected to this assumption. Did any of you watch the video posted in the OP? The black kids look no more rowdy than any other children their age.
Stereotypes cannot be substituted for evidence.
They dont care that he is an Obama supporter. Cruise P&N for a while. Phokus is a known forum troll.
eits
Lifer
From http://www.thevalleyclub.com/
"The Valley Club is deeply troubled by the recent allegations of racism which are completely untrue.
We had originally agreed to invite the camps to use our facility, knowing full well that the children from the camps were from multi-ethnic backgrounds. Unfortunately, we quickly learned that we underestimated the capacity of our facilities and realized that we could not accommodate the number of children from these camps. All funds were returned to the camps and we will re-evaluate the issue at a later date to determine whether it can be feasible in the future.
Our Valley Club deplores discrimination in any form, as is evidenced by our multi-ethnic and diverse membership. Whatever comments may or may not have been made by an individual member is an opinion not shared by The Valley Club Board."
"The Valley Club is deeply troubled by the recent allegations of racism which are completely untrue.
We had originally agreed to invite the camps to use our facility, knowing full well that the children from the camps were from multi-ethnic backgrounds. Unfortunately, we quickly learned that we underestimated the capacity of our facilities and realized that we could not accommodate the number of children from these camps. All funds were returned to the camps and we will re-evaluate the issue at a later date to determine whether it can be feasible in the future.
Our Valley Club deplores discrimination in any form, as is evidenced by our multi-ethnic and diverse membership. Whatever comments may or may not have been made by an individual member is an opinion not shared by The Valley Club Board."
That was an assumption and I retract it. I had read so much in the thread that I falsely assumed as much.
true
moshquerade
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I questioned the bias of the article. I notice that no one who has attacked the club has bothered to respond to my questions. It is typical for people to jump to conclusions or accept printed matter as gospel truth. I really encourage everyone to try to think critically.
I don't know how big their pool is, but 60 kids all showing up at once is going to be pretty darn rowdy no matter what their race/financial status is because...well, they're KIDS.
n yusef
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If the club merely couldn't handle 60 more kids, it wouldn't have booked them in the first place, nor would it have indefinitely banned them. They would politely ask them to return when the pool was empty.
There was obviously more to the situation.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing that the article was incomplete? Sensationalistic?
When is a pool going to be empty during daytime hours? Maybe the Pool Club didn't understand that all 60 kids were going to show up at the same time.
I'm not trying to defend the Pool club. I'm just trying to get people to understand that the article seems incomplete, and critical readers should ask why it's incomplete. I think it's terrible that many posters took the article at face value without asking any further questions. One poster even quoted the part that I think is hearsay as evidence of racism.
Yellow journalism is not unheard of.
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