wow, this isn't racist at all

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: QueBert
Where does it say these kids are lower class? I would be really surprised if any of these 60 campers were lower class. Seeing how lower class parents wouldn't have the money to send their children to summer camp. It could possibly be some sort of government funded program. But I doubt that as I lived in a poor area for years and there were zero programs in place to do anything for kids. This story has nothing to do with class and everything to do with race.

Every poster who has defended the club has assumed that the sixty kids were rowdy, "low-class," gangsters, etc., without any evidence except their race. And no one has objected to this assumption. Did any of you watch the video posted in the OP? The black kids look no more rowdy than any other children their age.

Stereotypes cannot be substituted for evidence.

when people are prejudice stereotypes almost always outweigh the evidence. What I find crazy is a lot of people in this thread who are clearly racist honestly don't even see themselves as such. And the ones who know they are, can just fall back on statistical data that "proves" the stereotypes they bring up. Thus not making them racist in the least. I mean, they're just stating facts right?

Kids at a pool are rowdy period, when I was 11 I didn't go to a pool to swim, I went to chicken fight and splash and try to drown my friends - you know typical shit KIDS do. 60 white kids acting like this would be acceptable I would imagine.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: tk149
I don't know how big their pool is, but 60 kids all showing up at once is going to be pretty darn rowdy no matter what their race/financial status is because...well, they're KIDS.

The club hosted 80 kids just 12 days prior. link

Google Map of pool link

 

[vital]

lol this actually happened before... and it's about to happen again on July 12th!

pool's closed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02o5bISvkCI

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: vital
lol this actually happened before... and it's about to happen again on July 12th!

pool's closed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02o5bISvkCI

LOL... imagine if this happened in real life. A group of people wearing afros and suits standing in front of the club with Pool's Closed signs.

 

[jjyiz28]

yeah, 60 rowdy black kids from the ghetto. what do you think will happen when little sally decides that racism is wrong, and goes in the pool? groping, fondling, poking, prodding, of course you can't sue a black kid, cuz thats just, .. being racist. lolz

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
I am not going to quote the big quote above this comment.



Did those kids get kicked cause they were black or cause they were rowdy kids?

We'll never know the real story.

thank you mosh

 

[Steve]

The club will reinvite them back: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...s_swim_club_minorities

 

[QueHuong]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Phokus

Reading 91ttz's posts, i'm almost sure he wishes we could get back to the good ol' days when 'genetically superior whites' ruled over them 'uncivilized negroes' with slavery and jim crow laws. He's basically your typical ATOT conservative, but not afraid to hide his racism or keep it thinly veiled, unlike other ATOT posters here.

Wrong.

The only "good ol' days" that I'm familiar with involve hanging out with the kids (many of which were black) in my town. We'd play, we'd fight, we'd build forts, we'd get in trouble, we'd do all the things that kids do.

I never had the luxury of growing up in an exclusive, all white area with liberal teachers who pump your head full of fairy tales.

Also, I'm not republican. I know that it would make it very convenient for you to fit everyone you don't like into a republicans.txt file, but the truth is that I don't share many of their views. I'm not religious, I don't mind if gays get married, I support the legalization of drugs, I think that Bush and Palin are religious nutjobs, and I think that whole party is doomed.

I am someone who is a free thinker and I use my own experiences as my guide. You won't find me subscribing to an entire platform that one political party chooses as its own. Personally, I don't see how anyone can believe that a political party is in their best interest. Really they're just fooling themselves. I also don't see how someone can latch onto a politician as if he's their savior. I see a power hungry individual that says what's going to get him elected.

But what happens when my experiences or my observations fly in the face of that which is politically correct nowadays? Should I be a brainless sheep and jump on the bandwagon, or should I trust my own senses? Time and time again I've learned that my senses are usually right, so I'm sticking with it.

I had the exact same reaction Phokus did:

"If you're such a free thinker, then how is it you generalize a race based on your OWN limited experiences?"


You are not a free thinker and it's laughable to think that relying on statistics and stereotypes is the mindset of a free thinker. LAZY thinkers do that. Perhaps by coincidence, but most likely not, racists, the uneducated, the unworldly, the non-curious also happen to be lazy thinkers. You may think you are above them, but you run along their ranks.

Stereotypes are just shortcuts in thinking: "I'm gonna assign this person to that group because they look like this...and done." That's not free thinking.

Now, you are right that you don't join the PC crowd, I'll give you that much. But the assumption you're making about people who say PC stuff is that they don't really believe what they say and that they only say it so they won't look like racists. Some are like that, but there are those who actually have experienced a world outside their own, and realize that whatever preconceptions, assumptions, and stereotypes they have held before have been challenged. So they cease to further rely on stereotypes as a way to hobble through life. These people are the real free thinkers.

To see evidence of your lazy thinking, just read the news article posted a few posts back. The article quotes actual pool members who say the kids were in fact NOT rowdy and they were kicked out before any incident occurred. You simply read that there was a crowd of black kids and automatically assumed they were causing trouble. That's free thinking? How embarrassing.


Edit:
BTW, I was wondering to myself if the club's actions really was about race and was really more an issue of overcrowding, but based on the comments by the pool owner, based on witness accounts, I figured it really was about prejudice. Otherwise, kicking 60 kids out regardless of race could have been justified if they were rowdy.

However, her209 found an article stating the pool housed 80 kids prior, and n yusef pointed out a fact that I had overlooked that the group's reservations of 60 kids were accepted. So the issue really wasn't about rowdy kids or overcrowding. Evidence is pretty strong that it was about race and stereotypes.

These two members actually did a little research and applied logic. You accepted at face-value what you were fed and defended your prejudiced views as free thinking. Fail.