LordMaul
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All of the PC fanboys in here amaze me...and this fuckwad:
Then I used OSX, and IMMEDIATELY wrote the entire thing off as the most godawful interface I'd ever used. Because it is. I'd rather use Windows 3.1 than OSX.
Well, congrats, man. You're officially the first person I've ever heard say that Windows 3.1 and <OS9 are way better than OSX. Either you're a) just so much more enlightened than the rest of the world, or b) you don't have a fvcking clue what you're talking about, be it an opinion or not.
I'm a PC & Mac user, so I'm obviously a moron, so I won't try to figure out which one of the above is truely you...too complicated for mindless fanboys like me.
Then I used OSX, and IMMEDIATELY wrote the entire thing off as the most godawful interface I'd ever used. Because it is. I'd rather use Windows 3.1 than OSX.
Well, congrats, man. You're officially the first person I've ever heard say that Windows 3.1 and <OS9 are way better than OSX. Either you're a) just so much more enlightened than the rest of the world, or b) you don't have a fvcking clue what you're talking about, be it an opinion or not.
I'm a PC & Mac user, so I'm obviously a moron, so I won't try to figure out which one of the above is truely you...too complicated for mindless fanboys like me.
Toastedlightly
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tHESE ARE PEOPLE'S OPINIONS!!!! WHY ARE PEOPLE GETTING BASHED FOR THEIR OPINIONS ON THINGS!?
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Toastedlightly
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Fenixgoon
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smooth move on the caps lock part
everyone likes to think that their opinion is fact.
fact is, people have preferences - some people like barebones, business-style interface (windows) while others prefer a nicer, fresher looking GUI (OSX). i prefer the business style - wtf do i need a 3d accelerated desktop? i dont care if icons light up or bounce around when i click them, i just want the damn app to launch
I'm not saying it's a bad feature. It's a neat feature, though it would make me buy a mac. The problem is their smear campaigns like this is a congressional race. But I remember when Apple was hurting and MS gave them $150 Million dollars. You don?t see them saying ?hey, thanks MS, you bailed us out!?
There are better ways to win audiences. Sell your product, not the shortcomings of others. Don?t spread FUD. That?s the number one reason why I dislike Apple. If your product is good, you should be able to sell it as such. It is a desperate and lousy way to sell a machine.
The OP is probably just fed up with hearing the FUD/BS. I know I hate it everytime they come on. Any class act company would never do that.
weeeeee! if you turn your head sideways, and scroll down the page quickly it looks like i'm going on a roller coaster ride!!! \o/
Apple's not getting desperate. They're just continuing an ad campaign that has worked very well thusfar. I'm not sure, but I'd guess that they are doing better than ever before.
Not that I want a mac. I like to build my own computers and play current PC games. Can't do that on a mac so I use PCs. I never really understood this animosity that some people feel towards apple though.
Not that I want a mac. I like to build my own computers and play current PC games. Can't do that on a mac so I use PCs. I never really understood this animosity that some people feel towards apple though.
I frequently have more than 8 applications running at once, many with multiple instances, and can't say I've ever felt like I needed a more efficient way of getting to them. A combination of the taskbar, alt+tab, task manager, etc. are more than sufficient.
If this tiny little feature you mention is somehow supposed to be a selling point, I'm not seeing it. I could write an application to do the very same thing in a matter of hours, but it's not needed.
her209
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EyeMWing is right. Just a fancier version of a Windows taskbar.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/theater/expose.html
GTaudiophile
Lifer
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In other news........... the Boston Bruins have been sold and are moving to NY City and will be renamed the Brooklyn Ice Yankees
Cheers,
Aquaman
Originally posted by: Insane3D
STFU you crazy crab!
I heard Johnny Damon & Pedro Martinez will make the top 2 defensive pair
Cheers,
Aquaman
postmortemIA
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preslove
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*shrug* it's the best tool I've used for juggling programs, especially on a laptop. I find it superior to the task bar because it is easier to pick out the one microsoft office window I want to use out of the six I have open. If I'm using my dell laptop and I have 6 office windows, 2 excell windows 3 firefox windows, trillian, and winamp open, selecting between the five office or 3 firefox windows gets confusing because they're each so small on the task bar that they don't display enough text to show me what they are. Hit F9 and I easily see the window I want.
Trust me, there's a reason why anand said that the powerbook was the best notebook experience he had ever had (again, using an obsolete ibm processor when the intel chips were far superior).
Windows may be sufficient for your uses, but that doesn't mean that apple's focus on usability hasn't resulted in a better product.
Toastedlightly
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W00t I get to participate it the endless quoting!
What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander. Congrats that you like Macs so much, but not everyone has the same exact needs, and a PC may do them more justice.
Taskbar->Right click->Properties->Group similar taskbar buttons.
Click on the application you want and you get the full taskbar description. Choose the one you want. This is two mouse clicks; no more than your F9+mouse click, and, in my opinion, more efficient as it doesn't require a keyboard interaction as well.
I generally don't appeal to authorities, so Anand's opinion on this matter doesn't mean much to me. I trust my opinion over his.
And sufficient for the overwhelming majority of non-casual business users.
You are correct though, it doesn't suggest that it hasn't resulted in a better product; of course, it doesn't suggest that it has, either. If tiny little things like this somehow result in a better product than I think Apple needs to try a little harder. I know there are other advantages to the Mac of course, so I understand this was just one example.
In the end, it's just a tool; use whatever fulfills the responsibility most effectively. I have a lot of requirements, so a feature like "get to your applications with a 2 clicks instead of 3" or something isn't worth any consideration.
preslove
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I dislike grouped taskbars. In my experience they impede my productivity, rather than improve it.
I inferred from your previous post that you haven't used OSX for any length of time. If that's true then you are arguing from ignorance and not trusting your own opinion. I hope I'm wrong because I generally trust your opinions
I trust anand's judgement and his opinion was one factor in my decision to buy a macbook. I used him in this thread because he has never shown himself to be a fanboy and is generally considered unbiased.
Apple ceded the business sector long ago (they don't even have docking stations on their laptops). The market forces that that have led to pc domination of the business sector are manifold and would take much bigger nested quotes to get into. Suffice it to say that the productivity gains of switching to apple hardware would pale in comparison to the expenses incurred by switching. It just doesn't make sense for large organizations to switch to apple just because it's interface is better.
What most peole fail to realize is that apple doesn't want to replace microsoft. It wants to grab more market share (what business doesn't?), but its business model is to provide a luxury product at luxury prices that earn it a much high profit margin than its cheaper peers.
It is only one example, but, again, it sounds to me that you're arguing out of ignorance. Buy a mini and get back to me
You guys are arguing about this crap, but you can't just reply without posting the whole conversation over and over?
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I have been a PC user for years (when I say PC I mean windows boxes, never could get linux to work correctly for me [and yes I did seek assistance, and no one I asked could solve the problems either]) but got myself a macbook this summer for school. After a good deal of research it ended up being the best deal in terms of what I was getting, and the dual-booting option was nice as well. I have found in the past month or so however that i use OSX significantly more that I use Windows. On my desk right now I have my macbook and an alienware sentia (got it through a trade) and although they are both roughly the same machine (the macbook is dual core with a larger hard drive) I honestly find my experience better in OS X. Things that I have always had available to me in one form or another in windows are still available to me in OS X, but I use them in OS X and never did in Windows. For instance, I had that ability to run multiple desktops in Windows, and did for a short amount of time, but never really latched onto it since it always seemed wicked sluggish to switch, and this was on my desktop with a 6800 and a gig of ram. VirtueDesktops for OS X is an awesome program that I used incessantly. It may be the smaller screen of the laptop (but really I dont have that much less screen real estate compared to my 17" CRT) but i just find that it is a much more utilized thing now.
I don't necessarily run more apps in OS X than i did in windows, but I do find expose to be a more elegant and easy to use solution than alt-tab and the task-bar. I honestly did not know about the command-tab key, but I don't really see myself using it that much.
I like the fact that if Finder (OS X's Explorer for those that needed that information) ever does decide to take a sh!t, I can relaunch it with next to no penalty, and it comes back up very quickly. Admittedly Windows XP does a much better job at bringing back explorer than the earlier Windows ever did (save for perhaps Windows 2000, but I haven't run that in ages) but the fact that windows doesnt offer an option to restart explorer is kind of bogus. What I mean by that is that the user can end the process, but then explorer is down, and you have to start the process back up manually (unless someone knows a shortcut around this, in which I shall sit corrected)
I find that all in all I am more efficient in OS X than I ever was in Windows, and the UI is what makes that possible. Are there things that I miss from Windows? Absolutely. But would I regret going back to it? Of course I would, I enjoy OS X a little too much.
However, back to the OP's point. I do find that ad in particular to be silly, especially considering that yes, the power connector does come out more easily than anything else if you pull it in a direction non-parallel to the way it plugs in... but if you pull it straight out from the connector... then it is so solidly stuck in there that I have literally pulled my laptop across my desk by the connector. This is really not that much different from most other connectors, but when they tout this as some sort of easy release connector, but then it holds so tight in one direction that you could swing the d@mn thing around your head, I think the point gets a little skewed.
The ads are silly though. They praise macs as being more secure than PCs (true) virus-free (not-true, there have been a couple of stories about viruses hitting OS X... the problem is that hte writers of said viruses were less than script-kiddies, and in order to get infected by these viruses required the user to be stupid to the extreme) and all around the saviors of hte computing world (not necessarily true)
I will say this much though, the OS has a built-in spell checker that works in browser... and that is a nice little feature.
I don't necessarily run more apps in OS X than i did in windows, but I do find expose to be a more elegant and easy to use solution than alt-tab and the task-bar. I honestly did not know about the command-tab key, but I don't really see myself using it that much.
I like the fact that if Finder (OS X's Explorer for those that needed that information) ever does decide to take a sh!t, I can relaunch it with next to no penalty, and it comes back up very quickly. Admittedly Windows XP does a much better job at bringing back explorer than the earlier Windows ever did (save for perhaps Windows 2000, but I haven't run that in ages) but the fact that windows doesnt offer an option to restart explorer is kind of bogus. What I mean by that is that the user can end the process, but then explorer is down, and you have to start the process back up manually (unless someone knows a shortcut around this, in which I shall sit corrected)
I find that all in all I am more efficient in OS X than I ever was in Windows, and the UI is what makes that possible. Are there things that I miss from Windows? Absolutely. But would I regret going back to it? Of course I would, I enjoy OS X a little too much.
However, back to the OP's point. I do find that ad in particular to be silly, especially considering that yes, the power connector does come out more easily than anything else if you pull it in a direction non-parallel to the way it plugs in... but if you pull it straight out from the connector... then it is so solidly stuck in there that I have literally pulled my laptop across my desk by the connector. This is really not that much different from most other connectors, but when they tout this as some sort of easy release connector, but then it holds so tight in one direction that you could swing the d@mn thing around your head, I think the point gets a little skewed.
The ads are silly though. They praise macs as being more secure than PCs (true) virus-free (not-true, there have been a couple of stories about viruses hitting OS X... the problem is that hte writers of said viruses were less than script-kiddies, and in order to get infected by these viruses required the user to be stupid to the extreme) and all around the saviors of hte computing world (not necessarily true)
I will say this much though, the OS has a built-in spell checker that works in browser... and that is a nice little feature.
LtPage1
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i agree... wtf puts a power cord in a spot where it can be easily tripped over? is apple suggesting that their product is for people who lack common sense?
Clearly, you've never met the average computer user. EVERY computer product is for people who lack common sense.
Anyways, Apple's current OS has always been 2-3 years ahead of the latest Windows release. Vista is a prettified XP with a bunch of features ripped directly from 2005's OS X 10.4.
Regardless of your OS preference, to argue that Apple's is less advanced than Windows, is just idiotic.
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