Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Best user interface my ass. Best LOOKING, sure, but from a usability standpoint, I'm writing a paper that completely and totally dismantles it (and no, it isn't just my opinion, I'm basing the whole thing on UI usability textbooks)
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
is apple suggesting that their product is for people who lack common sense?![]()
Originally posted by: preslove
He's a moron for calling a company with rapidly expanding market share "very desperate." Why would they be desperate?
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: rsd
Actually I thought it was a great commercial. I imagine this has happened to almost everyone with a laptop to some extent or another. If anything the point is that apple does design their laptops to consider careful details.
Yup. Apple provides premium computing. From the small details like the power cord to the best user interface developed yet, it's just better than other pc manufacturers. OP, you're a moron.
Best user interface my ass. Best LOOKING, sure, but from a usability standpoint, I'm writing a paper that completely and totally dismantles it (and no, it isn't just my opinion, I'm basing the whole thing on UI usability textbooks)
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
Again I apologize for the poor reading comprehension skills. If you look a little bit in the thread... I believe EyeMWing said he didn't have a clue what Expose was. Again... I apologize if I'm wrong due to my poor reading comprehension skills.Originally posted by: preslove
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
And no, I don't have the slightest idea what Expose is, because I only got as far as documenting the issues with the OSX *INSTALLER* (yes, there are usability issues with the installer)
Originally posted by: preslove
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
How's about you tell me WHAT THE FVCK IT IS, since a few posts back I admitted to not knowing.
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: preslove
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
That's interesting.
I often enough have about 8 or so apps running both at home and work. I like to think my computer skills are competent enough to preclude me from having to have "20 different windows" open when I do whatever it is I need to do.
Frankly I think you are sort of talking out of your pie-hole in regards of the implied difficult that many users face when (or rather if) they have 20 windows open.
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
How's about you tell me WHAT THE FVCK IT IS, since a few posts back I admitted to not knowing.
How the fvck can you comment on the user interface of OSX when you don't know the best way to move around in it. YOU HIT F9 AND ALL THE WINDOWS POP UP AT YOU SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THE WINDOW YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE FRONT. Hit F10 and it will bring up all the windows of the program you're working on to the front so you can click on them. Click F11 and it shows the desk top (this is of course can be accomplished in windows easily). Maybe you shouldn't comment on things about which you know nothing.
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
How's about you tell me WHAT THE FVCK IT IS, since a few posts back I admitted to not knowing.
How the fvck can you comment on the user interface of OSX when you don't know the best way to move around in it. YOU HIT F9 AND ALL THE WINDOWS POP UP AT YOU SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THE WINDOW YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE FRONT. Hit F10 and it will bring up all the windows of the program you're working on to the front so you can click on them. Click F11 and it shows the desk top (this is of course can be accomplished in windows easily). Maybe you shouldn't comment on things about which you know nothing.
Because Expose wasn't around the last time I used the damn thing, and by that description, it sounds like a highly animated version of Alt-Tab and taskbar grouping - if you need to see what's in each window visually, you're beyond your threshold for efficient multitasking.
Originally posted by: preslove
He's a moron for calling a company with rapidly expanding market share "very desperate." Why would they be desperate?
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: preslove
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
That's interesting.
I often enough have about 8 or so apps running both at home and work. I like to think my computer skills are competent enough to preclude me from having to have "20 different windows" open when I do whatever it is I need to do.
Frankly I think you are sort of talking out of your pie-hole in regards of the implied difficult that many users face when (or rather if) they have 20 windows open.
I usually have 30-40 windows open on my home machone, doesn't bug me in the least (of course, I also have 5 monitors)
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
just saw it yesterday, quite stupid in my opinion.
and isn't the mac guy the main actor in the movie "accepted"?
I recognize him from Jeepers Creepers...
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
How's about you tell me WHAT THE FVCK IT IS, since a few posts back I admitted to not knowing.
How the fvck can you comment on the user interface of OSX when you don't know the best way to move around in it. YOU HIT F9 AND ALL THE WINDOWS POP UP AT YOU SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THE WINDOW YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE FRONT. Hit F10 and it will bring up all the windows of the program you're working on to the front so you can click on them. Click F11 and it shows the desk top (this is of course can be accomplished in windows easily). Maybe you shouldn't comment on things about which you know nothing.
Because Expose wasn't around the last time I used the damn thing, and by that description, it sounds like a highly animated version of Alt-Tab and taskbar grouping - if you need to see what's in each window visually, you're beyond your threshold for efficient multitasking.
OSX has alt tab in the form of command tab. Expose is far superior and much faster. All the windows come up on the screen so you see all of them at once then you just click on the window you want. One keyboard button and one mouse click. With alt tab you have to cycle through all the windows and in my experience is a pain in the ass that I use only when I have a slow down or program crash. I use expose constantly.
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: preslove
He's a moron for calling a company with rapidly expanding market share "very desperate." Why would they be desperate?
Dude you're a grade A asshole.
WTF makes your opinion any more important than his? He's commenting on the commercials, which I think 90% of the population knows are complete and utter Marketing BS and stupid. They don't give a fair fight and allow Windows to represent their product in similar light. But MS is smart and doesn't use FUD and mud slinging ad's (i.e. like some crappy wanna be congressman).
You call him a moron, but his post wasn't anything personal towards you. Guess what, YOU'RE the moron and asshole.
Your opinion means sh1t to everyone here but yourself.
OP, I agree. I hate the commercials. They are annoying. It has nothing to do with Apple as computer, but their marketing is crap.
But then again, I guess I'm a moron too! Anyone who has a difference of opinion is automatically a moron!
Kettle, meet pot.
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Easier, if you define it scientifically as in net-feature-per-finger-per-keystroke, Windows wins hands-down. But easier is generally a QUALITATIVE measurement, and totally opinion-based. "More" options - no. It doesn't. They both give you 3. GUI, GUI + Keystrokes, Command Line.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: Babbles
I get entertained when Mac Fanboys (e.g. preslove) clueless try to argue that every little thing Apple does is the best thing ever.
Oh, and "preslove" before you accuse others of reading comprehension problems, you may want to make sure that you do not have the same issue as well (see your last post where you quoted Anand using the phrase "in my opinion" - just think about that one for a while).
Um... I put the opinion of Anand way above any of the mac bashers in this thread. Most of them have never even used a new mac and have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not a fan boy, mac's have their problems, too, but the interface and the small touches make it a better experience.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2740&p=1
When I first started using a PowerBook G4 over a year ago it quickly turned into the best experience I'd ever had with a notebook.
That was using an obsolete, POS, ibm chip. And it was a better experience for him than any other notebook pc using superior hardware.
So, Is Anand a freaking fanboy, too? :roll:
The difference is that Anand realizes the difference between fact and opinion.
The reasons for his high opinion of the mac's user interface are facts. OSX gives end user more and easier options for getting around in the os.
Have you used expose? Have you used it with 8 different programs running in 20 different windows and compared it to using windows xp with the same number of programs/windows running?
How's about you tell me WHAT THE FVCK IT IS, since a few posts back I admitted to not knowing.
How the fvck can you comment on the user interface of OSX when you don't know the best way to move around in it. YOU HIT F9 AND ALL THE WINDOWS POP UP AT YOU SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THE WINDOW YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE FRONT. Hit F10 and it will bring up all the windows of the program you're working on to the front so you can click on them. Click F11 and it shows the desk top (this is of course can be accomplished in windows easily). Maybe you shouldn't comment on things about which you know nothing.
Because Expose wasn't around the last time I used the damn thing, and by that description, it sounds like a highly animated version of Alt-Tab and taskbar grouping - if you need to see what's in each window visually, you're beyond your threshold for efficient multitasking.
OSX has alt tab in the form of command tab. Expose is far superior and much faster. All the windows come up on the screen so you see all of them at once then you just click on the window you want. One keyboard button and one mouse click. With alt tab you have to cycle through all the windows and in my experience is a pain in the ass that I use only when I have a slow down or program crash. I use expose constantly.
So, it serves the same purpose as the Windows taskbar, except you have to press a button to bring it up. Excellent.