Would you accept full pardon for Trump in exchange for his resignation?

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Trump has a rather unconventional personality (which can drive some crazy)... but he's not done anything meriting impeachment... and its not going to happen anyways despite all the yelling (and teeth gnashing) of the press.

Liberals should be happy with Trump... because a very conservative Pence would be waiting in the wings.

Best focus on constructive things for the country because Trump isn't going away (and in fact will be president for 2 terms).

LOL... right, be happy with a narcissistic twatwaffle because what's hiding behind the curtain is worse, and furthermore, we'll have to deal with said twatwaffle for 8 years. Fuck that. He'll be very lucky to have 2 years, let alone 2 terms

 

[xthetenth]

Trump has a rather unconventional personality (which can drive some crazy)... but he's not done anything meriting impeachment... and its not going to happen anyways despite all the yelling (and teeth gnashing) of the press.

Liberals should be happy with Trump... because a very conservative Pence would be waiting in the wings.

Best focus on constructive things for the country because Trump isn't going away (and in fact will be president for 2 terms).

No, Trump will be president for one term, less than one term, or more than four years in a country where presidential terms are a meaningless concept, but he will not be president for more than one term.

The most productive thing to do for the country is to drag what the GOP has become squirming into the light until as much as possible of America as possible cannot bear to look on it so strongly that they get out and vote, even in the midterms. Then we can get into realigning the parties along something more sensible that works better than either rushing into the delusions of the southern strategy's base or not doing it.

 

[rvborgh]

Sorry but you are going to be disappointed Not sure what more to say about that topic.

Instead of spending the next 8 years stewing... i wish Dems would work with Republicans on things they can agree on... things that both sides would consider constructive.

Rebuilding the infrastructure... supporting the President when it comes to bringing jobs back to the country (as much as is possible). You know... things that help common folks.

Being resentful for 8 years isn't all that great of a use of one's time... not good for one's health either. Nothing awful is going to happen... but a lot of good things could happen if D and Rs work together.

If Ds keep up the sore loser act... they will keep on losing.

LOL... right, be happy with a narcissistic twatwaffle because what's hiding behind the curtain is worse, and furthermore, we'll have to deal with said twatwaffle for 8 years. Fuck that. He'll be very lucky to have 2 years, let alone 2 terms

No, Trump will be president for one term, less than one term, or more than four years in a country where presidential terms are a meaningless concept, but he will not be president for more than one term.

The most productive thing to do for the country is to drag what the GOP has become squirming into the light until as much as possible of America as possible cannot bear to look on it so strongly that they get out and vote, even in the midterms. Then we can get into realigning the parties along something more sensible that works better than either rushing into the delusions of the southern strategy's base or not doing it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Instead of spending the next 8 years stewing....

Thats looking less and less likely each passing day.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sorry but you are going to be disappointed Not sure what more to say about that topic.

Instead of spending the next 8 years stewing... i wish Dems would work with Republicans on things they can agree on... things that both sides would consider constructive.

Rebuilding the infrastructure... supporting the President when it comes to bringing jobs back to the country (as much as is possible). You know... things that help common folks.

Being resentful for 8 years isn't all that great of a use of one's time... not good for one's health either. Nothing awful is going to happen... but a lot of good things could happen if D and Rs work together.

If Ds keep up the sore loser act... they will keep on losing.

I'm sure you were saying the same things when the gop was blocking Obama at every turn, with their main focus ensuring that he was a 1 term president, you were touting teamwork over party then too, right?

 

[rvborgh]

if your world (when it comes to Trump) consists of the "reality" constructed by the press... i would agree.... actual reality is not what a lot of the press reports on however. Mostly propaganda unfortunately

Thats looking less and less likely each passing day.

 

[WelshBloke]

if your world (when it comes to Trump) consists of the "reality" constructed by the press... i would agree.... actual reality is not what a lot of the press reports on however. Mostly propaganda unfortunately

The press aren't the ones that are investigating him that I'm interested in.

 

[xthetenth]

Sorry but you are going to be disappointed Not sure what more to say about that topic.

Instead of spending the next 8 years stewing... i wish Dems would work with Republicans on things they can agree on... things that both sides would consider constructive.

Rebuilding the infrastructure... supporting the President when it comes to bringing jobs back to the country (as much as is possible). You know... things that help common folks.

Being resentful for 8 years isn't all that great of a use of one's time... not good for one's health either. Nothing awful is going to happen... but a lot of good things could happen if D and Rs work together.

If Ds keep up the sore loser act... they will keep on losing.

The only meaningful ideology the Rs have is harming the Ds, and they do not care about the consequences to America.

 

[rvborgh]

i would say that is a bit cynical... and i hope you are wrong. i have Dem friends and i most certainly wish them no harm (even the ones i most vehemently disagree with). They are fellow Americans and we are all in this together.

i would say that the United States has been sandbagging it the last 30-40 years... our economy should be 3-4 times what it is right now.

We could be completely energy independent if it were not for unimaginative leadership

The only meaningful ideology the Rs have is harming the Ds, and they do not care about the consequences to America.

 

[xthetenth]

i would say that is a bit cynical... and i hope you are wrong. i have Dem friends and i most certainly wish them no harm (even the ones i most vehemently disagree with). They are fellow Americans and we are all in this together.

i would say that the United States has been sandbagging it the last 30-40 years... our economy should be 3-4 times what it is right now.

We could be completely energy independent if it were not for unimaginative leadership

Sorry. I should be clearer. I specifically mean the GOP vs. the Democratic party, and in the case of a fraction of the Republican base, them vs. some of the Dem base. I absolutely accept that a good number of R voters want to work together. I hope the GOP collapses and of the parties that form you guys get to control the direction of the conservative party in whatever comes of that. It might light a fire under the D's tails to have a real think about what they should be for the US' future rather than just being everyone in the opposition.

 

[jackstar7]

Well, you heard 'im, folks.

Coming back to this... it's sad that you think shame should always be rejected. It is a useful social learning tool.

Perhaps you are under-socialized with peer groups and missed out on the sometimes corrective effects.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I would consider a pardon for his resignation at this point, just to get him out, even if it means a President Pence, and I am no fan of Pence at all.

I was initially willing to take the wait-and-see approach with Trump. And in some respects, I was actually cautiously optimistic that Trump would turn out to be more of a center-line pragmatist. I expected a fair number of novice mistakes, but I felt that if he could hire the right people around him, maybe, just maybe this little experiment could work and he might even turn out to be a pleasant surprise.

It took a matter of weeks to dispel me of these notions for good. Trump's tone and his appointments have made it clear that he is completely motivated by his own narcissism and nothing else. The fact that he isn't an ideologue means little because extremist and fringe elements in our society have sensed in Trump an opportunity to have a seat at the table of presidential power for doing nothing more than praising him and appealing to his grandiose ego. The evangelicals realized this early on, which is why they supported him over more tried and true conservatives like Ted Cruz. The white nationalists realized this, which is why people like David Duke now actually seem relevant.

Trump is by no means the first president to believe in the supremacy of the Executive Branch but he's one of the few presidents who's been openly hostile to the institutions that support our Constitutionally enshrined principles as a democratic republic. But I'd argue that he's even more dangerous than Nixon because Nixon didn't have a corrupt congressional majority to enable him and his worst impulses. Many in congress are simply too concerned with their own ambitions and too timid to confront him. Quite a few Republicans in congress actually share a sense of contempt for these institutions and safeguards as well and are complicit in their attempted destruction. Their folly is that they believe they'd be able to control a powerful Executive once they break down these institutions, but a pluralistic congress wouldn't stand a chance.

Trump is like a federalist but a federalist who wants a submissive congress and judiciary that behaves like a puppet. He wants to run government the way he runs his businesses and he wants to have the power to run over anyone who gets in his path. He has no sense of consequences, no sense of reckoning. And yet he has awesome powers at his disposal. Trump is doing severe damage to my country, to its institutions, to its reputation, and to its standing in the world.

 

[brandonbull]

Thank you for clearly displaying your intellectual dishonesty.

Bye noise!

What are you talking about?? Comey stated:

• “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”
• Clinton’s emails included seven message chains with information classified as top secret.
• “None of these emails should have been on any kind of unclassified system.”
• “The security culture of the State Department …was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.”
• “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

 

[pcgeek11]

I do not agree with deals, plea bargains or paying of ransom as it only leads to more of the same.

If Trump or his staff are proven guilty of crimes they should pay the price as dictated by the law and the court.

 

[alien42]

Trump has a rather unconventional personality (which can drive some crazy)... but he's not done anything meriting impeachment... and its not going to happen anyways despite all the yelling (and teeth gnashing) of the press.

Liberals should be happy with Trump... because a very conservative Pence would be waiting in the wings.

Best focus on constructive things for the country because Trump isn't going away (and in fact will be president for 2 terms).

i have said since election day that Trump would not finish his first term with impeachment being the most likely end and my belief solidifies by the day as Trump continues to incriminate himself.

as for people like you, i consider traitors who put their party before our great country. you are a disgrace and threat to America, as is everyone who voted for the idiot.

the only real Republicans are those who didn't vote for Trump and do recognize Russia for what they really are.

 

[jackstar7]

I do not agree with deals, plea bargains or paying of ransom as it only leads to more of the same.

If Trump or his staff are proven guilty of crimes they should pay the price as dictated by the law and the court.

You're missing out.

If he turns on everyone involved he could actually drain the swamp right into prisons!

 

[pcgeek11]

You're missing out.

If he turns on everyone involved he could actually drain the swamp right into prisons!

I believe that deals and plea bargains only lead to crooks stabbing their enemies in the back and is rife with lies to save their own skin.

 

[jackstar7]

I believe that deals and plea bargains only lead to crooks stabbing their enemies in the back and is rife with lies to save their own skin.

I trust you are not part of the FBI or any other aspect of the federal criminal justice system. Your lack of trust in those men and women is depressing.

 

[Phokus]

I'd rather see him in jail tbqh

 

[zinfamous]

Sorry but you are going to be disappointed Not sure what more to say about that topic.

Instead of spending the next 8 years stewing... i wish Dems would work with Republicans on things they can agree on... things that both sides would consider constructive.

Rebuilding the infrastructure... supporting the President when it comes to bringing jobs back to the country (as much as is possible). You know... things that help common folks.

Being resentful for 8 years isn't all that great of a use of one's time... not good for one's health either. Nothing awful is going to happen... but a lot of good things could happen if D and Rs work together.

If Ds keep up the sore loser act... they will keep on losing.

why didn't you care about doing these things the previous 8 years, asshole?

 

[shortylickens]

I'd rather see him in jail tbqh

He's a white billionaire president. He's not going to jail.
He's NEVER going to jail.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I believe that deals and plea bargains only lead to crooks stabbing their enemies in the back and is rife with lies to save their own skin.

Deals and plea bargains lead to turning on compadres, not enemies.

Rife with lies as much as law enforcement and prosecutors are.

 

[pcgeek11]

I trust you are not part of the FBI or any other aspect of the federal criminal justice system. Your lack of trust in those men and women is depressing.

I am not talking about the men and women of law enforcement. I am taking about the crooks making the deals to finger their counterparts who may be innocent to save their own skin.

 

[pcgeek11]

Deals and plea bargains lead to turning on compadres, not enemies.

Rife with lies as much as law enforcement and prosecutors are.

Don't kid yourself, some criminals would implicate their enemies and innocents they don't like just for spite.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Don't kid yourself, some criminals would implicate their enemies and innocents they don't like just for spite.

Now you're talking about different scenarios.

No knock warrants come to mind