Would you accept full pardon for Trump in exchange for his resignation?

[amenx]

Yeah, like I said - not accepting your Progressive narratives which is enough to make anyone a "nazi" these days.

You're sounding like a broken record. Trumps performance, problems have nothing to do with progressive narratives. It is pure incompetence at a grand scale, and we have a record of that in last 4 months.

 

[Blue_Max]

You're sounding like a broken record. Trumps performance, problems have nothing to do with progressive narratives. It is pure incompetence at a grand scale, and we have a record of that in last 4 months.

He's been hated since BEFORE the election for stupid, false reasons. "Misogynist! Xenophobe! Racist!"

Genuine examples of error, arrogance or foolishness I can completely accept. Emotional and baseless rhetoric (seen so often from the Antifa fools and college communists alike) is not a valid argument or justification for the war they've pledged to fight until they win (or are told by the media and their professors to hate someone new.)

 

[soundforbjt]

He's been hated since BEFORE the election for stupid, false reasons. "Misogynist! Xenophobe! Racist!"

Genuine examples of error, arrogance or foolishness I can completely accept. Emotional and baseless rhetoric (seen so often from the Antifa fools and college communists alike) is not a valid argument or justification for the war they've pledged to fight until they win (or are told by the media and their professors to hate someone new.)

Have you fixed all of Canada's progressive problems that you have spare time to complain about ours?

 

[woolfe9998]

Anyone get the feeling that the Feds are going to be dragging a furious Trump out of the O office, as he desperately grasps at the floor and the legs of the Resolute desk, bunching up the carpet as his hand reaches, reaches behind the desk, uttering these lines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYPsoxpt0BU

And he stretches for a small button on the inside panel, thinking it's the "nucular launch button" and gleefully, joyfully, maniacally mashes it. (it's really the buzzer for his secretary, by the way).

That would be pretty awesome, actually.

Yup, I've had that image in my head of it going pretty much like that. Reminds me of the William H. Macy character in "Fargo," grabbed by the cops while climbing out his motel room window in his underwear, and squealing like a little girl while they drag him off. That's how I see Trump leaving the oval.

For all our sake, please at least let Trump be fully dressed when it happens.

 

[jackstar7]

He's been hated since BEFORE the election for stupid, false reasons. "Misogynist! Xenophobe! Racist!"

Genuine examples of error, arrogance or foolishness I can completely accept. Emotional and baseless rhetoric (seen so often from the Antifa fools and college communists alike) is not a valid argument or justification for the war they've pledged to fight until they win (or are told by the media and their professors to hate someone new.)

Cowardice is all you have.

No integrity. No intellect. No vision.

Just your overblown fear.

The same fear you will feel as you die too young. The anxiety will have been your killer. That fear will consume you. Consider a new perspective: nothing is really going to harm you (unprovoked) and you are likely to live a life of relative ease.

 

[justoh]

The same fear you will feel as you die too young. The anxiety will have been your killer. That fear will consume you. Consider a new perspective: nothing is really going to harm you (unprovoked) and you are likely to live a life of relative ease.

You miss the point, that he'll be living a life of relative ease as a transgender muslim. Maybe he doesn't want to be transgender muslim? Ever considered that? Probably not. You just sit there in your tower...

 

[WelshBloke]

Well, you heard 'im, folks. Whether it's Trump, me, you, or anyone - you must accept the Progressive values and beliefs without question... or:

The reason people dislike you isn't mainly your politics.
It's your inability to make a point without using an image that someone else made.
It's your inability to make an argument without posting a YouTube video that someone else made.
It's the way that you have to twist what other people say into some preconceived issue so that you can use some pre engineered argument against it whether it's relevant or not.
It's the way that even if someone does address a point you bring up you'll just ignore their argument and carry on bringing that point up ad nauseum.
It's the stupid on liners full of self pity and indignation and excessive punctuation.
It's the hyperbole.
It's the fact that your style of debate is slimy, dishonest, cowardly and most importantly copy pasted from other sources.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yup, I've had that image in my head of it going pretty much like that. Reminds me of the William H. Macy character in "Fargo," grabbed by the cops while climbing out his motel room window in his underwear, and squealing like a little girl while they drag him off. That's how I see Trump leaving the oval.

For all our sake, please at least let Trump be fully dressed when it happens.

Gotta be clothed. Or he'll leave an orange streak stain on the carpet.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It occurs to me that if Pence pardons Trump it is as if no wrongdoing ever happened. In that case Trump would be free to run in 2020. If the Reps won't have him he has money to run and if as some seem to believe he has hypnotic powers might win as third party candidate.

Enjoy your coffee guys!

 

[ch33zw1z]

The milk just soured

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

@Hayabusa Rider: IMO, not raking Nixon over the coals is what allowed this modern redux to happen. I see where you're coming from about not wanting to cut the "national scar" deeper, but what we're dealing with here (and were dealing with then...) was more akin to a purulent abcess than any external wound. It ought to have been lanced and drained, not left to fester for 40+ years.

I cannot say that you are right or wrong. It's possible for us to be both. Certainly Nixon did not get justice and the nation deprived of it. But then Nixon was broken and for good or ill I like a heaping dose of mercy in my cup of justice perhaps too often, but that's me. Would the harshest punishment have prevented Trump from being what he is? Almost certainly not. Real world consequences have never applied to him. He's of a world where his riches grant him immunity in most things and therein lies a difference. Nixon knew what he had done and it ate him like a cancer. For Trump it will always be the peasant's fault, that is us, responsible for bringing down the modern day Sun King, himself. He refuses to repent, indeed I don't think understanding of the term is possible with his nature. He harbors evil and embraces its nature. This man is fundamentally different and must go and should answer for his actions. If there is no remorse my tendency for mercy is greatly reduced. Probably all the above is ranting bullshit, but haven't had my coffee

I may be wrong and you may be right. I'm not wise enough to say so I can only voice what my imperfect inner self tells me.

 

[xthetenth]

Screaming a baseless insult is not a rebuttal, or even an argument.
You wanna' say I'm wrong, tell everyone specifically HOW I'm wrong and what "correct" is.

[edit] Same goes to V.G. below.

I'm truly amazed that you haven't yet managed to drown on your own aspirated drool.*

No. That would be those in the vocal minority calling the shots and changing laws to suit that minority while punishing the larger population.
...like the leftist controlled media.
...like sharia-compliance (or leniency) in western nations.
...like forcing a population to comply with odd, unusual, or non-existent gender pronouns on demand or face punishment.

Not looking good for your side there.... but that's why it's finally starting to lose traction, lose supporters, and lose ground.

1. The leftist controlled media? Are we talking about outlets like Jacobin? Because the left is wildly underrepresented, to the point where outright conspiracy theory outlets that are currently trying to incite violence like infowars** have greater influence on American politics. Otherwise this is a completely unsupported allegation, and if you're alleging that leftists control the rest of the media, not only do you have to show any evidence whatsoever, but you need to reconcile that with the huge disconnect between their coverage and actual socialist/leftist media.
2. [citation needed] Seriously, show any example of sharia compliance in western nations or even failure to punish crimes committed in the name of sharia "justice" that can't be explained by lack of proof or failure to press charges. Second, show instances where other religious communities weren't given slack (as an example you might want to look at the ultra-orthodox Jewish communities because we all know the deck is heavily stacked in favor of Christian "justice", such as in the case of Lester Roloff getting a pardon for what he did running Rebekah House and the various evils and failures that fall under the banner of things like Accelerated Christian Education).
3. Good god man, there is an actual literal thread on this very forum showcasing your utter inability to provide an actual rebuttal to the people who are showing what the law actually is. How about you go first and show how it's done, you intellectually dishonest facsimile of a worm that doesn't even provide the valuable service of aerating soil?

You are not entitled to a detailed rebuttal every single time you spray out the same incohate points like the intellectual equivalent of days old taco bell fermented gently in the lower intestine with a half gallon of rancid milk. It would be respectful for people to rebut you when you make the points. That means the first time. That respect would be repaid by reading and engaging with the point they make rather than loudly shouting your insipid half-formed justifications just so there's a single person on this forum who agrees with you. Goddamn man, at least gish gallops accumulate a wide variety of information in the thread by generating a large number of points so the bystanders can at least see a nice breadth of information in the rebuttals. You're just shouting the same points into the void as if maybe this time somebody won't post a detailed rebuttal and you can forget the past times your words have been driven down your throat and claim victory to yourself.

The burden of proof is on you. No evidence begets no rebuttal. You're so goddamn dense that you'd sink like a rock in a pool of mercury.

And because I'm writing this for my own amusement, time to paraphrase the best movie review quote I've ever read:

Your arguments are a dream. Even a post later, they're hard to recall. Not because they're bad, and believe me they're bad, but they're completely and hopelessly empty.

(Russian movie reviews are amazing)

*This is an experiment to see if actual rebuttals are invisible to blueballs as long as there's an insult mixed in for his fragility to seize upon.

**

Bonus points for actual literal dolchstoß invocation in this pic, btw.

 

[retrospooty]

The reason people dislike you isn't mainly your politics.
It's your inability to make a point without using an image that someone else made.
It's your inability to make an argument without posting a YouTube video that someone else made.
It's the way that you have to twist what other people say into some preconceived issue so that you can use some pre engineered argument against it whether it's relevant or not.
It's the way that even if someone does address a point you bring up you'll just ignore their argument and carry on bringing that point up ad nauseum.
It's the stupid on liners full of self pity and indignation and excessive punctuation.
It's the hyperbole.
It's the fact that your style of debate is slimy, dishonest, cowardly and most importantly copy pasted from other sources.

And the point goes to WelshBloke... Big Time.

 

[xthetenth]

And the point goes to WelshBloke... Big Time.

I'd argue that Blue's intellectual dishonesty and his politics are inseparable. But yes it is a good post.

 

[zinfamous]

Yup, I've had that image in my head of it going pretty much like that. Reminds me of the William H. Macy character in "Fargo," grabbed by the cops while climbing out his motel room window in his underwear, and squealing like a little girl while they drag him off. That's how I see Trump leaving the oval.

For all our sake, please at least let Trump be fully dressed when it happens.

lulz at image.

 

[Maxima1]

It occurs to me that if Pence pardons Trump it is as if no wrongdoing ever happened. In that case Trump would be free to run in 2020. If the Reps won't have him he has money to run and if as some seem to believe he has hypnotic powers might win as third party candidate.

Enjoy your coffee guys!

I don't see how Pence is going to become president. He has lied so many times about his knowledge of Trump-Russia. He's going down with the ship. We still have to see about Ryan, though.

 

[brandonbull]

He declared the free press to be the enemy of the American people.
A blatant attack on the 1st amendment. No leader but a dictator would ever do such a thing. No President before him has ever done such a thing.
And you can make up all the stupid shit you want to about Obama or Clinton, and I'd probably agree with most of it, but neither Obama nor Clinton ever did anything even remotely like that. Not even close.
Let me try to put this in some perspective. Trump's attacks on the free press are literally equivalent to if Obama or Clinton had actually tried to take our guns.

The only example you could cite is incorrect. I would hold off on that career move into fact checking.

 

[brandonbull]

He openly and repeatedly called for his political opponent to be jailed.

I wonder what the head of the FBI said about that political opponent?

 

[jackstar7]

I wonder what the head of the FBI said about that political opponent?

No you don't.

Also, that's a deflection.

You asked what he's done and have been provided examples.

 

[brandonbull]

The typical steps toward new dictatorships in the history of the world have involved many of these:

• Limit the press. https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...a3817ac21a5_story.html?utm_term=.7ba0029c3394
• Create confusion and misdirection: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/23/trump-loves-media-reporters-white-house-215043
• Obtain the support of a large foreign power. http://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/331492-trump-putin-to-speak-on-tuesday-phone-call
• Attack an "enemy" within your borders. For example: immigrants. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-idUSKCN18D2CA
• Attack an "enemy" outside your borders: For example: Syria or ISIS. http://www.salon.com/2017/04/15/tru...d-civilians-yet-hawks-call-for-more_alternet/
• Have insiders praise you strongly for those "accomplishments": http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/...t-trump-republican-health-care-bill-obamacare
• Weaken and/or replace those who can challenge you or limit you. For example: Yates, Flynn, Comey, etc. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/...ey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?_r=0
• Weaken or threaten your political opponents: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/politics/eric-holder-nixon-trump-presidential-debate/
• Have an economic or internal problem that convinces citizens to give up rights/powers. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-trump-mismanagement-20170518-story.html
• Expand your powers through nepotism to surround yourself with those who are biased to support you: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-as-a-senior-adviser/?utm_term=.50d3393b1d1f
• Curry favor with the public with giveaways. For example, massive tax cuts for everyone and every company. https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf
• Be strong, self-centered, and aggressive. No link needed.
• Spout populism: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-trump-the-perfect-populist-213697
• Get a cadre of strong supporters then surprise attack them to encourage paranoia so that people of power are afraid to challenge you: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...18f6849a004_story.html?utm_term=.d9965b90236b

That sounds exactly like what the Dimocrats did under Obama. Point by point. I guess we are getting a 3rd term of Obama then.

 

[brandonbull]

No you don't.

Also, that's a deflection.

You asked what he's done and have been provided examples.

I know and so does everyone else where Comey laid out the evidence for Clinton to be charged with mishandling classified materials and destroying evidence.

 

[xthetenth]

That sounds exactly like what the Dimocrats did under Obama. Point by point. I guess we are getting a 3rd term of Obama then.

I'm certain you can provide a nice list of examples, right? Right?

I know and so does everyone else where Comey laid out the evidence for Clinton to be charged with mishandling classified materials and destroying evidence.

You mean the pre-election allegation that he dropped due to lack of evidence? Provide a specific source of something that hasn't been retracted due to being speculation.

 

[zinfamous]

And the point goes to WelshBloke... Bigly.

I had to ftfy--sad!

 

[rvborgh]

Trump has a rather unconventional personality (which can drive some crazy)... but he's not done anything meriting impeachment... and its not going to happen anyways despite all the yelling (and teeth gnashing) of the press.

Liberals should be happy with Trump... because a very conservative Pence would be waiting in the wings.

Best focus on constructive things for the country because Trump isn't going away (and in fact will be president for 2 terms).

 

[jackstar7]

I know and so does everyone else where Comey laid out the evidence for Clinton to be charged with mishandling classified materials and destroying evidence.

Thank you for clearly displaying your intellectual dishonesty.

Bye noise!