Woods..

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
just because he's the best doesn't mean it's easy.

So you honestly don't think winning on the PGA tour is easy for Woods. Come on he has won almost 50% of the tourneys he entered this year alone and routinely wins by wide margins and NEVER loses when he has a 4th round lead. ARE you serious?

Unless he is winning 100% of the time, then no, it isn't too easy. If it was too easy, he wouldn't ever lose.

Well that is YOUR definition of easy, not mine

if it was easy, would he land in the rough and bogey some holes?
your definition of easy is obviously flawed if you think the sport is 'easy' for him. Now sure, some specific courses are easy, but when he screws up even at those places, that proves there is still a chance of error when he swings that club. But it's not chance. If he doesn't line his body up perfectly, he is introducing a possibility of screwing up. A champion has to read everything about the environment and himself, that is the constant challenge of the game. If you misread your own body cues, you will screw up greatly. That is why EVERY golfer has bad days and will every now and then, or some more than others, land in the rough or in hazards. Bad reads, be it from the environment or your body.
Golf is a helluva challenging sport once you reach the pro level. The challenge never lets up, just how much you perfect your ability will help your score. But the challenge constantly exists.

How do you know what a champion has to do? Are you one?

Why are you claiming it's easy to be a champion, are you one?

I asked If it seems to be easy for Woods. No i am not.

No, he was claiming to know what a champion is thinking. If he isn't a champion how would he know?

Why would you speculate about whether or not it's easy for him? Do you know him personally? Are you Woods posting in disguise?

No, I am not Woods in disguise. I am basing my value judgement based on what i have seen in the past watching golf and what i see now. I think it is easy for Woods to win on the tour, and poses little or no challenge. That's all. You obviously don't agree with my assessment. So.

 

[MrChad]

Personally, I am much more compelled to watch the Sunday round of a golf tournament (especially a major) if Tiger is involved than if he is not.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
just because he's the best doesn't mean it's easy.

So you honestly don't think winning on the PGA tour is easy for Woods. Come on he has won almost 50% of the tourneys he entered this year alone and routinely wins by wide margins and NEVER loses when he has a 4th round lead. ARE you serious?

Unless he is winning 100% of the time, then no, it isn't too easy. If it was too easy, he wouldn't ever lose.

Well that is YOUR definition of easy, not mine

if it was easy, would he land in the rough and bogey some holes?
your definition of easy is obviously flawed if you think the sport is 'easy' for him. Now sure, some specific courses are easy, but when he screws up even at those places, that proves there is still a chance of error when he swings that club. But it's not chance. If he doesn't line his body up perfectly, he is introducing a possibility of screwing up. A champion has to read everything about the environment and himself, that is the constant challenge of the game. If you misread your own body cues, you will screw up greatly. That is why EVERY golfer has bad days and will every now and then, or some more than others, land in the rough or in hazards. Bad reads, be it from the environment or your body.
Golf is a helluva challenging sport once you reach the pro level. The challenge never lets up, just how much you perfect your ability will help your score. But the challenge constantly exists.

How do you know what a champion has to do? Are you one?

Why are you claiming it's easy to be a champion, are you one?

I asked If it seems to be easy for Woods. No i am not.

No, he was claiming to know what a champion is thinking. If he isn't a champion how would he know?

Why would you speculate about whether or not it's easy for him? Do you know him personally? Are you Woods posting in disguise?

No, I am not Woods in disguise. I am basing my value judgement based on what i have seen in the past watching golf and what i see now. I think it is easy for Woods to win on the tour, and poses little or no challenge. That's all. You obviously don't agree with my assessment. So.

If it's easy to win, why does he ever lose?

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
just because he's the best doesn't mean it's easy.

So you honestly don't think winning on the PGA tour is easy for Woods. Come on he has won almost 50% of the tourneys he entered this year alone and routinely wins by wide margins and NEVER loses when he has a 4th round lead. ARE you serious?

Unless he is winning 100% of the time, then no, it isn't too easy. If it was too easy, he wouldn't ever lose.

Well that is YOUR definition of easy, not mine

if it was easy, would he land in the rough and bogey some holes?
your definition of easy is obviously flawed if you think the sport is 'easy' for him. Now sure, some specific courses are easy, but when he screws up even at those places, that proves there is still a chance of error when he swings that club. But it's not chance. If he doesn't line his body up perfectly, he is introducing a possibility of screwing up. A champion has to read everything about the environment and himself, that is the constant challenge of the game. If you misread your own body cues, you will screw up greatly. That is why EVERY golfer has bad days and will every now and then, or some more than others, land in the rough or in hazards. Bad reads, be it from the environment or your body.
Golf is a helluva challenging sport once you reach the pro level. The challenge never lets up, just how much you perfect your ability will help your score. But the challenge constantly exists.

How do you know what a champion has to do? Are you one?

Why are you claiming it's easy to be a champion, are you one?

I asked If it seems to be easy for Woods. No i am not.

No, he was claiming to know what a champion is thinking. If he isn't a champion how would he know?

Why would you speculate about whether or not it's easy for him? Do you know him personally? Are you Woods posting in disguise?

No, I am not Woods in disguise. I am basing my value judgement based on what i have seen in the past watching golf and what i see now. I think it is easy for Woods to win on the tour, and poses little or no challenge. That's all. You obviously don't agree with my assessment. So.

If it's easy to win, why does he ever lose?

Relative to the other players it is comparatively easy. He wins on average one tournament out of every three and a half tournaments he enters. Based on 216 official PGA starts.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: 40Hands
We need to test him for performance enhancing drugs.

I know that you are joking, but in seriousness Tiger is a big promoter of drug testing in golf. He also seems like a great guy which makes him so likeable.

 

[dudeman007]

You must be blind dude. The majority of the wins I have seen come from Tiger have been come from behind victories. He usually ends up 4-6 shots outside the lead on the first day, but through CONSISTENCY he makes it to the top.

 

[jjones]

No, they're not. I'm sure he'd like it easy though.

By the way, if you think dominant equals easy, then you know nothing of hard work and discipline. Natural talent only takes you so far.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
why is it bad to have someone raise the bar and show us all what is possible?

Why do you care what bar he climbed? What does that have to do with you? He climbed the bar , not you.

Do you think Tiger makes $100 million a year because the spectators don't matter? Are you kidding me?! We, those that watch (and therefore fund) the sport, ARE what defines what is good for the sport!

Those that support Golf are playing not watching. It costs Far more money to play Golf that it does to watch it. You dig.

No, I don't "dig". Are you insinuating that Nike pays Tiger Woods all those millions of dollars because no one watches him wearing Nike apparell? Or that the PGA gets its $35 million for the Fedex cup from local greens fees? Don't be naive.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Tiger is just displaying the mediocrity of everyone elses' dedication to the game.

Enjoy it while it lasts. One day he'll hang'em up, and we'll be left with a bunch of fat, lazy, ex-fratboys who are in it just for the women*.

* not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Federer >>> Woods

He excels in his sport more then Tiger does in his game. Don't agree with me? Just watch as he passes Sampras light years before Woods can even close in on Jack Nicklaus, the REAL greatest golfer ever.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: 40Hands
We need to test him for performance enhancing drugs.

you say that jokingly but I swear Johnny Miller was kind of hinting that this past weekend when he said look at all the muscles woods has....I rolled my eyes because I knew he was basically saying let's test woods for performance drugs.

stop the hate, he is that good

period

afro power + asian brains = domination on tour

GET OVER IT

 

[meltdown75]

LOL I can't believe it took this long for someone to bring up the sport / game BS. hehehe

Anyhoo Tiger is awesome. About 5 years ago he made a wish come true for my brother-in-law that was recovering from chemotherapy from Hodgkin's disease. Tiger took an hour out of his schedule to hit balls with him and just hang out. He is a great person and an even better athlete. Go Woods go.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Federer >>> Woods

He excels in his sport more then Tiger does in his game. Don't agree with me? Just watch as he passes Sampras light years before Woods can even close in on Jack Nicklaus, the REAL greatest golfer ever.

I think if you try hard, you can fit one more troll in there.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Federer >>> Woods

He excels in his sport more then Tiger does in his game. Don't agree with me? Just watch as he passes Sampras light years before Woods can even close in on Jack Nicklaus, the REAL greatest golfer ever.

Heh while I agree with you that Federer is darn impressive, he hasn't won a French Open yet which downplays his dominance (Pete didn't either).

 

[fredhe12]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: fredhe12
I bet the rest of the guys on Tour think it's great for the game, if not for them personally as competitors. The Tour purses are astronomical because of Tiger. The TV contract is what is because of Tiger. The amount of youngsters taking up the game (particularly minorities) has gone up because of Tiger. Golf has more interest than ever as a spectator sport because of Tiger. I could go on and on, but the point is that all the attention he brings to the sport is because he is so dominant. Remember, America loves a winner. Particularly one who pwns at will!

I don't know what the other players think, other than one player remarked;"It just makes it harder for the rest of us," Johnson said. "Why give him another thing to try to achieve. He's a very driven man. When you add another element to that drive, what are you going to do?" So all of the players are not enamored of Woods.

Speak for yourself. I'm an American and i don't love dominating athletes. And there were many millionaire golfers long before Woods came along, and large purses too.

You're taking a data point of one with that quote, which I might add was made in heat of battle (or soon thereafter), so of course Zach Johnson isn't going to be 'enamored' with Woods who just happened to roll him handily. However, if you ask them during a calm moment and ask them to reflect on what Tiger has meant to the sport of late and how his popularity has enabled ALL of the players on Tour to prosper, than you might get a different opinion.

If you know you're golf history, than you'll know that purses were never as high as they've been in the Tiger era (even adjusted for inflation). The reality is that he's taken the game to new heights that would have never been reached with a player of his caliber or dominating ability.

As far as America loving dominating winners, I'd say you're in the minority there. Not much to prove really, just take a look at the most popular athletes of our time - they are often the most dominating. I will say that they're also very often polarizing type personalities as well.

Face it Tiger is good for golf - players and fans.

Edit: After reading more of your posts, it's fairly obvious that you're a Tiger hater. Look to each his own, that's the great thing about sports, you can root for whomever. My point above about polarizing personalities probably applies here. However, you're argument that he's not good for golf or that the tour can survive (in it's current state of success) without him hold very little water.

 

[fredhe12]

One more thing about Tiger...

As a fan of all types of sports, it's extremely rare that an athlete ever comes along that fulfills all expectations placed upon him or her. Tiger is that rare athlete who has met all expectations. He's an even rarer breed in that he surpasses anything that could have been imagined. Face it folks, there are few real deals sportswise in a lifetime, and he's the real deal! Doesn't matter whether you like him or not, his greatness is undeniable. And you don't have to believe me...there is one ultimate truth in sports, and it is NEVER wrong: SCOREBOARD!

 

[FreshPrince]

how many people watch golf when he's not in the finals? shoot, I don't even think about golf unless I read in the papers that he's in the finals....then it's watch tiger time.

face it, Tiger is golf, just like

chazz michael michaels is figure skating - blades of glory

 

[AMCRambler]

I think it's awesome a young guy like Tiger Woods is whipping the pants off these out of shape old farts. Goes to show that golf really is a physically demanding sport. I bet some of the out of shape duffers might be more competitive if they were in better shape. Not saying this is the main reason for Tiger's success but I do think it's part of it. The rest is skill and practice. I for one am glad he's on top. He raises the bar for the other players out there.
Performancing enhancing drugs is a good question though. Anyone think Tiger is a juicer? Looking at his upper body in those nike polo's he's always wearing, he does look like he's pretty ripped. He doesn't look massive like some of the baseball and football juiceheads though.

 

[meltdown75]

I don't think he's juicin'. He's just a specimen. A real ass kicker, a throwback athlete!

 

[Syrch]

and to top it off he isn't going down the path of TO. Hes a good role model

 

[foghorn67]

Last week's NBC broadcast looked horrible, even on HD.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Relative to the other players it is comparatively easy. He wins on average one tournament out of every three and a half tournaments he enters. Based on 216 official PGA starts.

So that means he loses two and a half out of every three. Doesn't sound that easy to me.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Federer >>> Woods

He excels in his sport more then Tiger does in his game. Don't agree with me? Just watch as he passes Sampras light years before Woods can even close in on Jack Nicklaus, the REAL greatest golfer ever.

Different types of sports. You're much more limited by age in Tennis than in golf. Fed is 25 which means he'll have 5-7 years of prime tennis and if he's insane like Agassi, a few more. Golf prime, I would suppose, ends much later. Jack Nicklaus played for 25 years to accumulate his 18 majors. Sampras won 14 majors in 15 years. You can't really compare the speed that they're catching up to their predecessors on your time-line.

 

[fredhe12]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
Last week's NBC broadcast looked horrible, even on HD.

I thought the same thing. For sporting events specifically, I'd rank the major networks in this order for HD quality: FOX, CBS, NBC.

The broadcast for the golf looked particularly bad. Oh well, still better than regular signal I guess...

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
Last week's NBC broadcast looked horrible, even on HD.

I believe the cameras they use while following players are only SD cameras, but are widescreen. When they showed shots from the stationery cameras(near the greens), they looked much better.