Womens health and recent health insurance changes

[rudeguy]

http://jurist.org/feature/2013/07/contraception-and-reproductive-rights.php





Seems it depends on what state you are in.

Seems your state doesn't care about women. You should move.

 

[z1ggy]

http://jurist.org/feature/2013/07/contraception-and-reproductive-rights.php





Seems it depends on what state you are in.

0_o so then... you're... Wrong...???

 

[brycejones]

http://jurist.org/feature/2013/07/contraception-and-reproductive-rights.php

You still FAIL.....

None of that requires a Pharmacy to stock it and if you notice you referencing state laws and your original point seemed to be some argument about a federal requirement.

 

[Texashiker]

Example of what I was using as a reference,

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/09/nation/na-pill-ruling9

Pharmacists are obliged to dispense the Plan B pill, even if they are personally opposed to the "morning after" contraceptive on religious grounds, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.

But anyway, is access to birth control a womans right?

 

[MrPickins]

So you would restrict womens choices?

She has the choice to pay the deductible for the procedure, no choices were restricted.

Whats next, tell women they can get an associates degree but not a bachelors?

Can she afford to pay for the extra 2 years of classes?

 

[Texashiker]

0_o so then... you're... Wrong...???

It is not a matter of being wrong or right.

The goal is to resolve the question.

How do we as a society provide low income women with long term and effective birth control that is conformable to them?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

But anyway, is access to birth control a womans right?

Does she not have access to birth control?

 

[ch33zw1z]

It is not a matter of being wrong or right.

The goal is to resolve the question.

How do we as a society provide low income women with long term and effective birth control that is conformable to them?

We have.

And, you find invasive surgery comfortable?

 

[z1ggy]

Example of what I was using as a reference,

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/09/nation/na-pill-ruling9



But anyway, is access to birth control a womans right?

In certain states, it's been ruled yes, as evident by your scholarly google searches.

But knowing where you're going with this, you are completely blind and missing the point we are all making here TH.

Your step daughter ALREADY HAS BIRTH CONTROL. She is not being denied her "civil liberty" of birth control. She is making a choice to opt for getting her tubes tied.

How do you not see this???

It is not a matter of being wrong or right.

The goal is to resolve the question.

How do we as a society provide low income women with long term and effective birth control that is conformable to them?

Condoms, for the Nth time. I use "bare skin" condoms with my girl friend. Yeah its not as totally awesome as not using them, but hey, I still get off and she's practicing her right to get birth control.

 

[MrPickins]

Does she not have access to birth control?

Texas has been trying pretty hard (with TexasHiker's approval) to run Planned Parenthood out of the state, so maybe she won't for long.

 

[Texashiker]

Does she not have access to birth control?

Have you not read the thread?

But knowing where you're going with this, you are completely blind and missing the point we are all making here TH.

Your step daughter ALREADY HAS BIRTH CONTROL. She is not being denied her "civil liberty" of birth control. She is making a choice to opt for getting her tubes tied.

How do you not see this???

I see your point, and I understand it, I just disagree with it.

I wish women had better access to the birth control options they wanted, rather than ones they were limited to.

It is her carrying the baby, giving birth, and who will be responsible for it. So why not let her pick the form of birth control she wants?

 

[MrPickins]

Have you not read the thread?

Have you?

It is her carrying the baby, giving birth, and who will be responsible for it. So why not let her pick the form of birth control she wants?

She's free to get the surgery, but the deductible is $1500. You do know how insurance works, right?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I wish my stepdaughter had free access to the birth control options she wants, rather than ones they were limited to paying for.

ftfy

It is her carrying the baby, giving birth, and who will be responsible for it. So why not let her pick the form of birth control she wants?

She can.

 

[Texashiker]

She's free to get the surgery, but the deductible is $1500. You do know how insurance works, right?

Yes, I know very well how insurance works.

This goes back to the opening post. I "thought" the ACA was supposed to make womens health options more affordable.

 

[Daverino]

Oh my dear sweet Jesus, stop responding to him. This thread is just brain-melting toxin.

 

[MrPickins]

Yes, I know very well how insurance works.

This goes back to the opening post. I "thought" the ACA was supposed to make womens health options more affordable.

Without it, she wouldn't be on the insurance and would have to pay full price.

Working as intended.

 

[Texashiker]

Without it, she wouldn't be on the insurance and would have to pay full price.

Working as intended.

Worked as intended?

The name of the law was affordable care act,,,, right?

How is $1,500 affordable?

 

[z1ggy]

Worked as intended?

The name of the law was affordable care act,,,, right?

How is $1,500 affordable?

It's an invasive surgery bro, lol are you kidding????

My hip surgery to repair a torn labrum was $10k.

My father's surgery to repair a tendon he tore was $30k.

Luckily, we both have good insurance. I paid $1000 because according to my plan, I pay 10% of the cost of my care up to $2000 out of pocket per year, after I meet my $350 deductible.

My father paid his $20 copay.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Worked as intended?

The name of the law was affordable care act,,,, right?

How is $1,500 affordable?

Because it's more affordable than $6,000+? Bills have bullshit names all the time (just look at the Patriot Act), but you've picked an odd situation to hang your hat on from an argumentative standpoint; you chose one area where the bill actually does what it sets out to do and makes care more affordable. No one said it was going to make elective surgery free, and if that's what you took away from it based solely on reading the title of the bill, that's a mistake in comprehension on your part.

 

[Texashiker]

It's an invasive surgery bro, lol are you kidding????

No one said it was going to make elective surgery free,

What is the alternative? For low income families to keep having kids?

If they had another kid they might be able to get medicaid.

In all seriousness, if you have a young woman who says she does not want and can not afford any more kids, shouldn't society provide those services before she gets knocked up again?

Should society pay a few thousand for a surgery, or tens of thousands on welfare?

 

[z1ggy]

What is the alternative? For low income families to keep having kids?

If they had another kid they might be able to get medicaid.

In all seriousness, if you have a young woman who says she does not want and can not afford any more kids, shouldn't society provide those services before she gets knocked up again?

Should society pay a few thousand for a surgery, or tens of thousands on welfare?

I'm done with you dude. Finished answering your stupid questions.

I told you, tell her to use condoms. I'm done, enjoy this thread numb nuts.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

In all seriousness, if you have a young woman who says she does not want and can not afford any more kids, shouldn't society provide those services before she gets knocked up again?

When you can reasonably explain why condoms, birth control pills, injections, implants, IUDs, NuvaRing, patches, diaphragms, spermicides and the rhythm method aren't options for her, we can discuss the public's responsibility to fund a tubal ligation. But we'll need to call her husband in to find out why he is unwilling to undergo a much more routine and cheaper surgery than his wife. And if you can prove that every other birth control option available positively will not work, then we can agree that it's a bummer tubal ligation isn't free.

 

[Texashiker]

When you can reasonably explain why condoms, birth control pills, injections, implants, IUDs, NuvaRing, patches, diaphragms, spermicides and the rhythm method aren't options for her, we can discuss the public's responsibility to fund a tubal ligation.

She already has an IUD.

I feel society should offer more permanent options to low income families who have trouble making the deductible.

Which is cheaper, tie her tubes, or pay for another pregnancy?

 

[z1ggy]

She already has an IUD.

I feel society should offer more permanent options to low income families who have trouble making the deductible.

Which is cheaper, tie her tubes, or pay for another pregnancy?

Actually, I'm not done because you haven't given me an answer yet. You keep deflecting me because you know I'm right.

WHY WILL SHE NOT USE CONDOMS ???

Inexpensive??? Check!
Permanent use possible?? Check a roo!!
Accepted form of birth control? My golly it is!
Comfortable use? Oh hell yeah man!

So. I'm waiting.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

She already has an IUD.

I feel society should offer more permanent options to low income families who have trouble making the deductible.

Which is cheaper, tie her tubes, or pay for another pregnancy?

That's a false choice; there are more than two options.

Which is cheaper: pay for OTC birth control pills, or pay for another pregnancy?
Which is cheaper: pay for condoms, or pay for another pregnancy?
Which is cheaper: pay for an implantable birth control, or pay for another pregnancy?
Which is cheaper: pay for Depo Provera shots, or pay for another pregnancy?
Which is cheaper: pay for an IUD, or pay for another pregnancy?
Which is cheaper: pay for her husband's vasectomy, or pay for another pregnancy?

There are lots of different options available for her to choose from that don't require the taxpayers to fund an elective surgery. Just because she wants something doesn't mean it's her fundamental right to get it for free when there are cheaper options available.