Womens health and recent health insurance changes

[MrPickins]

Access to birth control is a civil right.

Should rights be reserved to only those who can afford it?

If she's currently on birth control, she has access to birth control. It may not be her ideal choice, but this isn't an ideal world.

I mentioned abortion earlier, but lets please not turn this into an abortion thread.

You were the one that brought up abortion.

 

[Theb]

Access to birth control is a civil right.

Should rights be reserved to only those who can afford it?

She has access to birth control. She just wants a more expensive kind, and she doesn't want to pay a portion of the cost.

 

[Daverino]

Access to birth control is a civil right.

Should rights be reserved to only those who can afford it?

BWAHAHAHAHA!

The right to own a gun is in the 2nd Amendment. Does this mean that the government must also provide free gun upgrades to those who cannot afford nice ones?

Seriously stahp poasting.

 

[z1ggy]

Agreed, lets not go there on abortion.

However, I feel this is a womens rights issue.




Is birth control a civil right? According to some judges, yes, it is. There are judges who ruled against pharmacies that do not carry birth control pills or the morning after pill.

If birth control is a right, shouldn't is be affordable?

$1,500 is not affordable.




Did you read the thread?

She already has an IUD.

No where in the constitution or BOR does it talk about how much anything should cost.

We all have the right to bear arms (heh I always think of a bear's arms when I say that) but are guns cheap?? No not really. But cheap is a relative term and what you value your money as. I bought a .380 for about $350 bucks along with 25 rounds of JHP for $20. Got my permit for about $250 overall. So for $620 bucks, I can practice my 2nd ammendment right. To me, a person who values that right thinks $620 isn't too bad. But to my mother who can't even phathom owning a firearm, thinks $620 is absurd.

If your step daughter really values her "right" to have birth control (even though I already told you she should just use condoms) then this $1500 should not really feel expensive.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Look to your Olypmics thread.

Woman can't handle it, then she should stop handling it.

 

[brycejones]

Typical TH thread.....

TH Posts some random thought....

Takes at least 3 pages to get to the real point

Denies the point on page 3 or 4 is the real point.....

Continues to attempt to pretend no-one is answering his question, posts some shit over and over again.

 

[Texashiker]

If she's currently on birth control, she has access to birth control. It may not be her ideal choice, but this isn't an ideal world.

So you would restrict womens choices?

Whats next, tell women they can get an associates degree but not a bachelors?

And the courts disagree with you. Even though women have a wide range of over the counter birth control options, pharamcies still have to offer the morning after pill.

You were the one that brought up abortion.

You are right. I bought thatt topic up and would like to drop it.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

The right to own a gun is in the 2nd Amendment. Does this mean that the government must also provide free gun upgrades to those who cannot afford nice ones?

Seriously stahp poasting.

The courts disagree with you.

See my above post about pharmacies being required to carry not only birth control pills, but also the morning after pill.

She has access to birth control. She just wants a more expensive kind, and she doesn't want to pay a portion of the cost.

Should rights be restricted by cost?

 

[rudeguy]

No where in the constitution or BOR does it talk about how much anything should cost.

We all have the right to bear arms (heh I always think of a bear's arms when I say that) but are guns cheap?? No not really. But cheap is a relative term and what you value your money as. I bought a .380 for about $350 bucks along with 25 rounds of JHP for $20. Got my permit for about $250 overall. So for $620 bucks, I can practice my 2nd ammendment right. To me, a person who values that right thinks $620 isn't too bad. But to my mother who can't even phathom owning a firearm, thinks $620 is absurd.

If your step daughter really values her "right" to have birth control (even though I already told you she should just use condoms) then this $1500 should not really feel expensive.

That is not fair!

I just purchased a Sig P229 Extreme and 500 rounds of FMJ ammo and 40 rounds of JHP and it cost me over $1200! Add in the $$250 my training and license cost and I'm at $1500. This is not fair! Why is the government denying me my right to bear arms?!?!?!?!?!

 

[SheHateMe]

Access to birth control is a civil right.

Should rights be reserved to only those who can afford it?

Access to expensive elective surgeries you don't need are not a civil right.

 

[Texashiker]

Access to expensive elective surgeries you don't need are not a civil right.

So you are telling a woman what she can and can not do with her body based on cost?

 

[brycejones]

Access to birth control is a civil right.

Should rights be reserved to only those who can afford it?

She always has access to absolutely free birth control. Stop fucking.

 

[ElFenix]

See my above post about pharmacies being required to carry not only birth control pills, but also the morning after pill.

please provide the link to substantiate this.

 

[brycejones]

So you are telling a woman what she can and can not do with her body based on cost?

Do we get to pay for you to get boobs? A facelift? Pec implants? Guess what their are limits to what you can do with your body based on costs. Get over it.

Since your stepdaughter is happily married her husband should get the old snip snip done and be done with it. If he truly loved her he wouldn't put he though what is a very invasive procedure that is not without risks.

This whole thread is just some other excuse for you to keep tilting at imaginary windmills.

 

[z1ggy]

So you are telling a woman what she can and can not do with her body based on cost?

Just change the title of this thread to something about abortion and women's right to chose because we know you are just dying to get into that, otherwise you wouldn't keep saying the same crap above over and over.

 

[z1ggy]

please provide the link to substantiate this.

I just looked it up, he's right. The case was ruled on last year and the DoJ had to appeal, but I don't think they did.

Edit: Actually, I can't find anything that explicity says it is federal law the pharmacy chains MUST carry EC pills. The law just says they must be available to anybody who asks for them, granted that they are available.

 

[Texashiker]

please provide the link to substantiate this.

A federal ruling turned the morning after pill into over the counter, bypassing the need to talk to a pharmacist.

Articles from 2013:

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/Plan-B-One-Step-to-Be-Made-Available-OTC-With-No-Age-Restrictions

A federal district judge has grudgingly accepted a proposal from the Obama administration to make the single-pill emergency contraceptive Plan B One-Step (levonorgestrel) available over-the-counter with no age restrictions.

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/05/17621460-pharmacists-react-to-morning-after-pill-ruling

A new federal court ruling has essentially turned the controversial “morning-after pill” into an over-the-counter drug, likely making the medication far more available to teens fearing pregnancy, even in states like Washington and Illinois where pharmacists currently can refuse to sell it.

2014:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ph...to-dispense-morning-after-pill-sues-for-relig

In August, the FDA ordered Plan B sold over-the-counter; however, because of its high cost, most pharmacies keep it under lock and key.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So you are telling a woman what she can and can not do with her body based on cost?

Not at all. The cost is the cost. If she chooses not to pay it, then that's her choice. Payment plans, they work...and the hospital won't send you to collections as long as you paid the agreed amount.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The cost is part of the problem. She can not afford any more children, nor can she afford the tubal.

So you tell me exactly what she is supposed to do?

One of two things is happening here; either your stepdaughter is dumber than a bag of hammers or you're a sexist ass for assuming that women have absolutely no idea how to keep from getting pregnant. There are millions of sexually active women in this country who don't have tubal ligation and they manage to not get pregnant. Perhaps we could recommend a sex-ed book that goes into greater detail about how the process happens so you can see all the various ways it can be prevented that don't require opening the abdomen and slicing through the fallopian tubes; you and your stepdaughter can read it together as a bonding experience. And, bonus, she can avoid getting knocked up without spending a lot of money and butchering her reproductive organs.

 

[SheHateMe]

So you are telling a woman what she can and can not do with her body based on cost?

You're trying to twist the argument. She is already on birth control and she wants to get an expensive elective surgery on the government's dime. That's not anybody's problem but hers. If she wants to get her tubes tied, she raise the money so she can get it. Its really that simple.

If she can't afford a $1500 elective surgery...she needs to look into options that her insurance has no problem with covering.


Again, can't stress the word "elective" enough. You want to keep putting up this fight over it, other people have told you...and you keep insisting that her civil rights are being violated.

And really...why the fuck is she worried about a $1500 surgery when her kids are on public assistance

Priorities.

 

[brycejones]

A federal ruling turned the morning after pill into over the counter, bypassing the need to talk to a pharmacist.

Articles from 2013:

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/Plan-B-One-Step-to-Be-Made-Available-OTC-With-No-Age-Restrictions



http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/05/17621460-pharmacists-react-to-morning-after-pill-ruling



2014:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ph...to-dispense-morning-after-pill-sues-for-relig



In august 2013, the FDA

FAIL. Pharmacies are not required to carry the morning after pill. However companies who own the pharmacy can and should be able to fire employees who refuse to sell the pill if that is the company's policy.

 

[Theb]

That is not fair!

I just purchased a Sig P229 Extreme and 500 rounds of FMJ ammo and 40 rounds of JHP and it cost me over $1200! Add in the $$250 my training and license cost and I'm at $1500. This is not fair! Why is the government denying me my right to bear arms?!?!?!?!?!

That is not fair. If I want to buy a .50 BMG it will cost way more than that.

Things that are more expensive shouldn't cost more. It violates my civil rights.

 

[ElFenix]

A federal ruling turned the morning after pill into over the counter, bypassing the need to talk to a pharmacist.

Articles from 2013:

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/Plan-B-One-Step-to-Be-Made-Available-OTC-With-No-Age-Restrictions



http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/05/17621460-pharmacists-react-to-morning-after-pill-ruling



2014:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ph...to-dispense-morning-after-pill-sues-for-relig

making it OTC is not the same as requiring it to be carried.

 

[theeedude]

ACA fully covers tubal ligation, both in exchange plans, and Medicaid expansion, which the OP is against.
Because of ACA, OP's daughter is on his employer's insurance till 26, which covers it too, after an $1500 deductible.
Yet he's still complaining about ACA not paying for his daughter's tubal ligation.
The OP is either a troll or an idiot.

 

[rudeguy]

That is not fair. If I want to buy a .50 BMG it will cost way more than that.

Things that are more expensive shouldn't cost more. It violates my civil rights.

What is the point in the Constitution? These things are supposed to be our rights yet we can't have them?

And where are my Thai hookers damn it?

 

[Texashiker]

FAIL. Pharmacies are not required to carry the morning after pill.

making it OTC is not the same as requiring it to be carried.

http://jurist.org/feature/2013/07/contraception-and-reproductive-rights.php

California, Illinois, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Washington, and Wisconsin require pharmacies to fill all valid prescriptions, regardless of individual ethical considerations.

Conversely, many states have passed legislation that generally limits access to emergency contraceptives. Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Mississippi, South Dakota, Tennessee and most recently Kansas have all passed laws that permit pharmacists to refuse to dispense emergency contraception on moral grounds.

Seems it depends on what state you are in.