Womens health and recent health insurance changes

[Texashiker]

I'm done with you dude. Finished answering your stupid questions.

I told you, tell her to use condoms. I'm done, enjoy this thread numb nuts.

Actually, I'm not done because you haven't given me an answer yet. You keep deflecting me because you know I'm right.

Too late, you already said your good-byes.







To answer your question, she has an IUD.

 

[z1ggy]

Too late, you already said your good-byes.







To answer your question, she has an IUD.

Deflect some more why don't you, haha.

I'm aware, you've said it a million times, I've read every single post in this thread.

It's sad really because I feel like most of us here are trying to help you out, to get you to see things in a different manner. But you just won't see it, you refuse you listen. I feel like I'm dealing with a teenage girl who won't listen to her father about how she shouldn't wear that certain outfit to the party or something. You just deflect and kick and scream until you troll us to exhaustion.. Which is honestly the point I'm at with you.

Every thread you make turns into this giant clusterfuck of people shitting all over you, because you refuse to budge on your stance, which is often times contradictory to other things you say within the same thread.

But yeah good luck with whatever you hoped to accomplish in this thread.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Which is cheaper, tie her tubes, or pay for another pregnancy?

$1500 bucks doesn't sound so bad, eh?

 

[Texashiker]

Which is honestly the point I'm at with you.

I am sorry you feel that way. That is not my intent.

But yeah good luck with whatever you hoped to accomplish in this thread.

How many post have been made in this forum bashing poor people for having too many kids (you do not have to answer that)?

Chances there are a lot of threads and post about welfare, and poor families having more kids then they can afford. I wonder how many thousands, tens of thousands of post have been made about welfare, food stamps, welfare moms squeezing out more kids,,,,.

I have presented you with my step-daughter who is using an IUD, but wants a more permanent and long term solution. She and her husband simply can not afford to have any more kids. But neither can they afford the tubal.

What about her husband getting cut? I do not know if they will be together in 5 years. I think she is planning on her future and not his. If they split up this way she will not have an accident 5 or 10 years down the road.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

What about her husband getting cut? I do not know if they will be together in 5 years. I think she is planning on her future and not his. If they split up this way she will not have an accident 5 or 10 years down the road.

I've had plenty of sex in my day and I've never once gotten anyone pregnant without intending to. If she really can't figure out how to avoid "accidents" that end in pregnancy, she shouldn't be having sex at all, because she's got the mental acuity of an 8-year-old and she's not legally able to give consent. I think this is just your sexism tricking you into thinking that women aren't capable of thinking for themselves so she needs you to save her from her own mistakes by recommending an irreversible and expensive procedure instead of the dozens of other options that are better from basically every perspective but require some input from her and she can't be trusted to make that decision correctly on account of her womanliness. Because you've completely failed to address the elephant in the room that so many people have brought up; what is wrong with every other contraceptive option that tubal ligation is the only thing that will work?

 

[Texashiker]

Because you've completely failed to address the elephant in the room that so many people have brought up; what is wrong with every other contraceptive option that tubal ligation is the only thing that will work?

There is nothing wrong with the options being presented.

I am going to ask you the same thing I asked z1ggy, how many thousands, maybe tens of thousands of post are in this forum about people on welfare having more kids than they can afford?

People like to talk. But when it comes down to a viable long term birth control option, people say too bad, use what is available.

We can not have it both ways. We can not say "stupid welfare people keep having kids", when low cost long term / permanent birth control options are out of their reach.

 

[MrPickins]

There is nothing wrong with the options being presented.

I am going to ask you the same thing I asked z1ggy, how many thousands, maybe tens of thousands of post are in this forum about people on welfare having more kids than they can afford?

People like to talk. But when it comes down to a viable long term birth control option, people say too bad, use what is available.

We can not have it both ways. We can not say "stupid welfare people keep having kids", when low cost long term / permanent birth control options are out of their reach.

I'll be sad when you're inevitably banned from these forums.


Almost...

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There is nothing wrong with the options being presented.

I am going to ask you the same thing I asked z1ggy, how many thousands, maybe tens of thousands of post are in this forum about people on welfare having more kids than they can afford?

People like to talk. But when it comes down to a viable long term birth control option, people say too bad, use what is available.

We can not have it both ways. We can not say "stupid welfare people keep having kids", when low cost long term / permanent birth control options are out of their reach.

Most people on welfare aren't interested in getting tubal ligation done. We're veering dangerously close to the eugenics debate we had a couple days ago, but I'll do you a favor and assume you aren't in favor of sterilizing the poor. There are other long-term contraceptive options short of sterilization, and they're cheaper than tubal ligation. IUDs last a decade for roughly $500. Implants are a little cheaper and last for three years. A vasectomy can be less than $400 and it lasts as long as desired. And of course there are condoms, which have to be manually applied each time, but cost 25 cents a pop, so no one is breaking the bank there. The only benefit tubal ligation has is permanency, and that's not a benefit for a lot of younger people who may want to have kids later in their life. The idea that long-term birth control solutions aren't there or aren't affordable is just wrong.

 

[CitizenKain]

Can we donate to get his family sterilized? Apparently none of them are smart enough to figure out condoms.

 

[Texashiker]

I'll be sad when you're inevitably banned from these forums.

Almost...

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lol that was funny.

But you are ignoring my question. How many threads and post in this forum are critical of low income families who have too many children?

Someone makes too much money to qualify for medicaid, can not afford a co-pay, so what are they supposed to do?

but I'll do you a favor and assume you aren't in favor of sterilizing the poor.

I do not want to go anywhere near eugenics.

This is a completely elective surgery, and the family already has children.

 

[MrPickins]

lol that was funny.

But you are ignoring my question. How many threads and post in this forum are critical of low income families who have too many children?

You're ignoring everyone else's question as to why tubal ligation is the only acceptable form of birth control in your eyes.

Someone makes too much money to qualify for medicaid, can not afford a co-pay, so what are they supposed to do?

They, I don't know, use a damn condom?

 

[Texashiker]

You're ignoring everyone else's question as to why tubal ligation is the only acceptable form of birth control in your eyes.

I have already answered that question several, several times, tubal is not the "only" option.

She currently has an IUD, and has several years before it needs to be replaced.

 

[MrPickins]

I have already answered that question several, several times, tubal is not the "only" option.

She currently has an IUD, and has several years before it needs to be replaced.

So, why do you keep asserting that she has no access to birth control?

Contradict yourself much?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I have already answered that question several, several times, tubal is not the "only" option.

She currently has an IUD, and has several years before it needs to be replaced.

Several years to save up $1500 bucks.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I have already answered that question several, several times, tubal is not the "only" option.

She currently has an IUD, and has several years before it needs to be replaced.

So there's absolutely no need for this thread then. She has her IUD, when it's time to get replaced, she'll get another one, and that will probably carry her pretty close to menopause. You could get 40 years of IUD protection for the price of one tubal ligation, both will cover a woman's entire reproductive lifetime, and one is a much more invasive procedure with more risks of complication. Why are you arguing for the shitty one?

 

[Texashiker]

So, why do you keep asserting that she has no access to birth control?

Contradict yourself much?

Jesus H Christ, I never said she did not have access to birth control. She is on health insurance and has access to a wide range of options.

She is interested in having something more long term and permanent.

 

[Munky]

This has about as much to do with "women's health" as condoms have to do with "men's health." But nice attempt at muddying up the issue with popular buzzwords.

 

[michal1980]

Mr. TH, what you've just said [this thread] is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[DrPizza]

Tell your daughter to stop sleeping around, and tell her husband to get a vasectomy.

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I refuse to get a vasectomy
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You are a sick man. <snip snip> pun intended.

 

[MrPickins]

Jesus H Christ, I never said she did not have access to birth control. She is on health insurance and has access to a wide range of options.

She is interested in having something more long term and permanent.

I suppose I should have used the word "implied":

The cost is part of the problem. She can not afford any more children, nor can she afford the tubal.

So you tell me exactly what she is supposed to do?

IUD is long lasting btw; damn near close to permanent (up to 10 years?).

 

[Texashiker]

This has about as much to do with "women's health" as condoms have to do with "men's health." But nice attempt at muddying up the issue with popular buzzwords.

Do you realize how dumb that post sounds?

Condoms are effective in preventing all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases.

Mr. TH, what you've just said [this thread] is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Did you see my post about welfare moms having more kids than they can afford?

Since my post are so stupid, you tell me what a low income mother i supposed to do? She can not afford to have more kids, nor can she afford permanent birth control such as a tubal.

One option is to have another child, which will increase the income guidelines, get on welfare and let the government pay for her tubal.

So what say you?

You are a sick man. <snip snip> pun intended.

My wife likes it extra creamy.

IUD is long lasting btw; damn near close to permanent (up to 10 years?).

She has a few more years on her IUD, but she goes off my coverage next month. Its one of those things do you wait and see what happens, or try to get it done now?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a troll thread.

Yeah. Apparently Obama owes him a cell phone or something. He's not bitching that she can't get safe effective contraception but that she can't get anything she wants. Anyone wants to see the entitled mentality need look no further.

 

[Wreckem]

The problem is YOUR insurance. Period.

ACA compliant healthcare plans provide tubal ligation with ZERO cost sharing.

 

[Texashiker]

ACA compliant healthcare plans provide tubal ligation with ZERO cost sharing.

I have blue cross blue shield of Texas.

Link to source saying tubal should be at no cost?

 

[Munky]

Do you realize how dumb that post sounds?

Condoms are effective in preventing all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases.

And there you go again with the boilerplate rhetoric. The root issue here is birth control, aka pregnancy avoidance, aka screwing without getting knocked up. All the "health issues" bullshit is just a convenient detour.