Wisconsin Gov. Walker is crying in his beer tonight.

[woolfe9999]

All of the bolded is irrelevant. I'm not defending either side, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. You're basically doing the same thing the OWS do when they cheer Michael Moore. Being part of the 1% is an evil, demonic, capital offense, unless you're that special part of the 1% that used the exact same tactics as the rest of the 1% but is exempt from criticism because they cheer for your team to help maintain their 1% status.

Oops, you were doing fine, but the bolded part is a blatent straw man. You are attempting to argue hypocrisy by mischaracterizing/exaggerating someone's view.

 

[rudder]

This message is hidden because Genx87 is on your ignore list.

Silence is bliss.....

so is ignorance... keep enjoying the bliss.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters. Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1937.

 

[Ausm]

so is ignorance... keep enjoying the bliss.

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters. Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1937.

Quoting FDR you must be ill....and saying I'm ignorant coming from you is a joke in itself

 

[RampantAndroid]

Do you really think the Senate's filibuster rules don't need changing? You realize that states which comprise as little as about 12% of the US population can stop all legislation, right?

You realize that was the intent of the senate by the framers? That they WANTED that to be the case? This country doesn't use just a popular vote. If they did, everyone in lower population areas would be ignored...which is wrong.

Quoting FDR you must be ill....and saying I'm ignorant coming from you is a joke in itself

Add something to the thread or get out.

 

[Ausm]

Y



Add something to the thread or get out.

Ok..it's my thread if you can't handle aka like the content don't let the door hit you on yo ass on the way out

 

[Lemon law]

Ok..it's my thread if you can't handle aka like the content don't let the door hit you on yo ass on the way out

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
While I agree with Ausm in so many ways, its still a pissing contest on P&N. Regardless of which side of the Gov, Scott issue various P&N posters are, none of us can claim to have crystal balls. But Ausm has a little leg up because he is from Wisconsin, and better understands the State of Wisconsin.

But still, only one thing for sure, Gov. Scott Walker will face a statewide recall election in Wisconsin, in early 2012. Never good for a sitting governor in bad economic times. Especially when said Governor has so badly engaged in Wisconsin class warfare and can't provide a good answer to the Ronald Regan question of are we better off since Scott was elected?

After that, all I can say, is that my US State of residency is not Wisconsin, so I can't in any way influence the outcome.

Its an issue only the voters in Wisconsin can decide.

 

[Lemon law]

Ok..it's my thread if you can't handle aka like the content don't let the door hit you on yo ass on the way out

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry , accidental double post.

 

[Jhhnn]

You realize that was the intent of the senate by the framers? That they WANTED that to be the case? This country doesn't use just a popular vote. If they did, everyone in lower population areas would be ignored...which is wrong.

The filibuster isn't a Constitutional issue, at all, but rather an artifact of the Constitutional provision that the Senate can make its own rules. The earliest reference I can find is 1841, and at that point Senators actually had to hold the floor to accomplish the desired action. Modern filibuster rules didn't appear until 1917, modified in 1975.

While it's obvious that the structure of the Senate was designed to protect States' Rights over the more egalitarian structure of the HOR, the notion that the founders would support the current use of the filibuster is unsubstantiated, at best, and more likely false attribution.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm

 

[RampantAndroid]

The filibuster isn't a Constitutional issue, at all, but rather an artifact of the Constitutional provision that the Senate can make its own rules. The earliest reference I can find is 1841, and at that point Senators actually had to hold the floor to accomplish the desired action. Modern filibuster rules didn't appear until 1917, modified in 1975.

While it's obvious that the structure of the Senate was designed to protect States' Rights over the more egalitarian structure of the HOR, the notion that the founders would support the current use of the filibuster is unsubstantiated, at best, and more likely false attribution.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm

And this is a moot point. If it truly is just a minority of senators that are trying to hold the senate hostage, then the rest will overrule them (60 votes for cloture.) My point stands: the senate was designed to represent all states equally. Moreover, it isn't that X number of states can filibuster. It's X number of senators. Not all states have senators that see eye to eye. Esp since senators have staggered 6 year terms.

 

[Jhhnn]

And this is a moot point. If it truly is just a minority of senators that are trying to hold the senate hostage, then the rest will overrule them (60 votes for cloture.) My point stands: the senate was designed to represent all states equally. Moreover, it isn't that X number of states can filibuster. It's X number of senators. Not all states have senators that see eye to eye. Esp since senators have 6 year terms.

Heh. You defended the fact that senators representing a mere 12% of the population can stop all legislation. It seems unlikely that the Framers would have supported that at all.

There were more and less populous states back then, but the differences weren't nearly what they are today. California is ~60X more populous than Wyoming, for example, yet the senators from each are equally powerful.

The whole notion of States' Rights was a huge concession to slave states from the very beginning, which is really the origin of the Senate as we have today.

And it's not like Mississippi Senators, for example, really represent their constituencies calling for huge cuts in federal spending, particularly wrt social programs, given that Mississippi gets back $2 for every $1 they pay in federal taxes, and would be substantially poorer w/o those monies...

None of which has much to do with Walker or the recall. Hell, if Wisconsin Dems had the same filibuster rights as in the US Senate, they wouldn't need a single Repub to cross the line to thwart legislation, or to have thwarted Walker's beat down of state employees in the first place.

So you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth simultaneously.

 

[ttown]

Not that hard to go up from the lows.

George Bush has gone up from 22% when he left office to 47% now, for doing absolutely nothing, which is a big improvement.

Now that we've seen what a really bad president looks like, Bush looks twice as good as he used to.

 

[Lemon law]

Now that we've seen what a really bad president looks like, Bush looks twice as good as he used to.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hate Obama or not ttown, it has nothing to do with this thread. Which has to do with performance of Scott Walker, Scott Walker, and Scott Walker, and nothing else. Hint hint, stay on subject.

 

[*kjm]

Looks like the Republican's attempt to make Governor Walker's inevitable Recall almost impossible has been thwarted by a member of his own party....You got to LOVE that shit.

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/29637178/detail.html

OP is a moron because the darn bill is not even about Walker! It's about the redistricting in WI. We just did a redistricting and the Sen. are runing the new districts(calling all the shots) but for the recalls they will have to run in their old districts.... frickN retarded if you ask me.... but the OP loves it:\

This recall crap we have been going through for the last year is nothing to be proud of.... it's a dam/sick/embarrassing shame

 

[Jhhnn]

OP is a moron because the darn bill is not even about Walker! It's about the redistricting in WI. We just did a redistricting and the Sen. are runing the new districts(calling all the shots) but for the recalls they will have to run in their old districts.... frickN retarded if you ask me.... but the OP loves it:\

This recall crap we have been going through for the last year is nothing to be proud of.... it's a dam/sick/embarrassing shame

That doesn't seem to be accurate. This piece claims that repubs want to make people who sign recall petitions to have their signatures notarized, with a link to the pdf of the bill-

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/wisconsin-republican-recall-redistricting-notary-scott-walker

The other bill is just as sleazy, redistricting before the election so as to protect repub incumbents from recalls-

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/wisconsin-republican-recall-redistricting-notary-scott-walker

Yeh, it's too bad Wisconsin Repubs decided to start this shit, huh?

 

[*kjm]

That doesn't seem to be accurate. This piece claims that repubs want to make people who sign recall petitions to have their signatures notarized, with a link to the pdf of the bill-

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/wisconsin-republican-recall-redistricting-notary-scott-walker

The other bill is just as sleazy, redistricting before the election so as to protect repub incumbents from recalls-

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/wisconsin-republican-recall-redistricting-notary-scott-walker

Yeh, it's too bad Wisconsin Repubs decided to start this shit, huh?

Read the links you posted with an open mind.... you proved my point that it's not about Walker but the Senitors. And it was agreed that the Senitors would run the new districts but now the recalls would go back to the old lines so people would have to vote for someone that is not even running thier district.... that to me is crazy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Notarized signatures on recall petitions is definitely about Walker, along with all Wisconsin office holders.

 

[*kjm]

Notarized signatures on recall petitions is definitely about Walker, along with all Wisconsin office holders.

That is a far streach because all signatures should be validated by our accountability board.... but they have been lacking of late!

Voter ID should take care of both our problems right?

 

[cubby1223]

That doesn't seem to be accurate. This piece claims that repubs want to make people who sign recall petitions to have their signatures notarized, with a link to the pdf of the bill-

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/wisconsin-republican-recall-redistricting-notary-scott-walker

The other bill is just as sleazy, redistricting before the election so as to protect repub incumbents from recalls-

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/wisconsin-republican-recall-redistricting-notary-scott-walker

Yeh, it's too bad Wisconsin Repubs decided to start this shit, huh?

It is called politics. Have you not been paying attention to the forum you are so active posting in? Look it up sometime. Every party in power redistricts to their advantage. Every party in power tweaks the rules to their benefit.

One of these days it'll sink in that you are not special. Hopefully sooner rather than later.



Side note, I thought the State Senator recall elections was supposed to put an end as to what the citizens of Wisconsin want in their leadership. Or do Democrats not pay attention to voters? What is it? I know you're a shill for the Democratic Party, it's lined in just about every post you make in this forum. Please do explain why the recall elections that have already taken place mean nothing?

 

[michal1980]

That story is so misleading and lacks facts. The state was re-districted due to the census. The republicans in congress wanted to have recalls of senators based on new maps vs the old, which would have benefited them.

This has nothing to do with recalling walker.

PS currently the unions blew millions of their members dollars and got no return. When are the union sheep going to relize the unions dont work for them?

 

[Ausm]

OP is a moron because the darn bill is not even about Walker! It's about the redistricting in WI. We just did a redistricting and the Sen. are runing the new districts(calling all the shots) but for the recalls they will have to run in their old districts.... frickN retarded if you ask me.... but the OP loves it:\

This recall crap we have been going through for the last year is nothing to be proud of.... it's a dam/sick/embarrassing shame

Umm you have no clue what you are talking about please move on .

 

[Ausm]

It is called politics. Have you not been paying attention to the forum you are so active posting in? Look it up sometime. Every party in power redistricts to their advantage. Every party in power tweaks the rules to their benefit.

One of these days it'll sink in that you are not special. Hopefully sooner rather than later.



Side note, I thought the State Senator recall elections was supposed to put an end as to what the citizens of Wisconsin want in their leadership. Or do Democrats not pay attention to voters? What is it? I know you're a shill for the Democratic Party, it's lined in just about every post you make in this forum. Please do explain why the recall elections that have already taken place mean nothing?

Please list the sleazy tactics that Wisconsin Democrats have used please.

 

[Ausm]

The Bill is now officially "DEAD" .

I am sending State Senator Dale Schultz a thank you e-mail right after this post

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/29650776/detail.html

 

[csteggo]

That is a far streach because all signatures should be validated by our accountability board.... but they have been lacking of late!

Voter ID should take care of both our problems right?

Yes more stringent voting standards are needed. To combat all the voting corruption. I would be a bit interested in seeing some of the voting corruption that has been talked about all the time. Has anyone been prosecuted? Gone to jail for voter corruption? Along that line we should take tests to see if we actually understand our country and government rules. Well actually if that were the case we should actually take tests to make sure we understand what each political stance that these people are running on.

 

[csteggo]

It is called politics. Have you not been paying attention to the forum you are so active posting in? Look it up sometime. Every party in power redistricts to their advantage. Every party in power tweaks the rules to their benefit.

One of these days it'll sink in that you are not special. Hopefully sooner rather than later.



Side note, I thought the State Senator recall elections was supposed to put an end as to what the citizens of Wisconsin want in their leadership. Or do Democrats not pay attention to voters? What is it? I know you're a shill for the Democratic Party, it's lined in just about every post you make in this forum. Please do explain why the recall elections that have already taken place mean nothing?

I am guessing if it was possible to put Walker on the recall back when the state senators were.. He would have been. I think this recall process was just waiting to be started.

I have trouble understanding why people are having an issue with this. I wish my state had this recall option. That is democracy in action. I would think it may provide incentive to actually represent your electorates wishes.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I am guessing if it was possible to put Walker on the recall back when the state senators were.. He would have been. I think this recall process was just waiting to be started.

I have trouble understanding why people are having an issue with this. I wish my state had this recall option. That is democracy in action. I would think it may provide incentive to actually represent your electorates wishes.

So if Walker is recalled, are you supportive of the Republicans organizing a recall after a year? Why even have 4 year terms then? Why not 1 year terms? Walker has done everything he has within federal and state laws, and has not violated the federal or state constitution.. what is the point of recalling him other than a political 'do-over' for the Dems who didn't convince their voters to get out and vote for their candidate?

As I said, if Walker is recalled.. why shouldn't the Republicans simply wait one year and recall the Democrat and force them to run again in a year? The recall against Walker is nothing more than a do-over election for the Democrats who failed to win in 2010. Everything Walker has done is 100% legal and if the Democrats don't like it they can vote for someone who agrees with them in 2014, which they did NOT do last time.

Elections have consequences.