Wisconsin Gov. Walker is crying in his beer tonight.

[Ausm]

Looks like the Republican's attempt to make Governor Walker's inevitable Recall almost impossible has been thwarted by a member of his own party....You got to LOVE that shit.

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/29637178/detail.html

 

[Lithium381]

That's too bad, he was making improvements.....

 

[RampantAndroid]

Looks like the Republican's attempt to make Governor Walker's inevitable Recall almost impossible has been thwarted by a member of his own party....You got to LOVE that shit.

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/29637178/detail.html

Who cares? His approval numbers are growing still.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wouldn't it be great to know if he is doing this out of principle or because he thinks doing so will keep him elected. Hats of to the gentleman if the former and thank God for the people if the second.

 

[Lemon law]

Going to be interesting if ole Scott Walker gets the boot or not.

As for me, and most non Wisconsin residents, we can only watch it enfolding from a distance.

As it may have profound implications for nationwide elections come 11/2012.

 

[a777pilot]

This is a good thing. There should be no changing of the rules just because "your" man is in office. If Mr. Walker is recalled, well, I don't agree with it, but that's life in the big leagues.

 

[Craig234]

Who cares? His approval numbers are growing still.

Not that hard to go up from the lows.

George Bush has gone up from 22% when he left office to 47% now, for doing absolutely nothing, which is a big improvement.

Republicans hope the year delay will help memories fade of Walker's wrongs. Hopefully not.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Well if he loses, I hope the Republicans recall the Democrat candidate in a year then. Why not? Why even bother with 4 year teams. Make them run every year. Democrat passes a highway spending bill you don't like? Recall them. They pass a community center for the neighboring community? RECALL! Don't kiss your baby? RECALL.

 

[a777pilot]

Not that hard to go up from the lows.

George Bush has gone up from 22% when he left office to 47% now, for doing absolutely nothing, which is a big improvement.

Republicans hope the year delay will help memories fade of Walker's wrongs. Hopefully not.

I must have missed it. Bush is still President?

 

[Jhhnn]

Republicans do seem to rely on the idea that the electorate has the attention span of fruit flies...

And on the idea that they can change the rules to suit themselves whenever they have even the slightest majority in govt, particularly when the changes entrench their power over the electorate.

Thank You, Mr Schultz. Honest Republicans are hard to find. If Walker and the rest of Wisconsin Repubs hadn't been such arrogant pricks, they wouldn't have these problems.

 

[irishScott]

I'm not too informed about the political situation in Wisconsin, but why should he be crying about anything? He got elected once, is it guaranteed the recall will succeed?

 

[irishScott]

Republicans do seem to rely on the idea that the electorate has the attention span of fruit flies...

And on the idea that they can change the rules to suit themselves whenever they have even the slightest majority in govt, particularly when the changes entrench their power over the electorate.

Thank You, Mr Schultz. Honest Republicans are hard to find. If Walker and the rest of Wisconsin Repubs hadn't been such arrogant pricks, they wouldn't have these problems.

Yes, because Democrats never change the rules to suit themselves whenever they have even the slightest majority in gov.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/harry-reids-nuclear-blunder/2011/10/07/gIQAeqtwTL_story.html

Nope, not ever.

Thank you Jhhnn, for proving that your attention span is just as short as most of the rest of the electorate.

 

[her209]

How does that work? The recall rules are written in the Wisconsin Constitution. So how does a law override a (state) constitution rule?

Recall of elective officers. SECTION 12. [As created Nov.
1926 and amended April 1981] The qualified electors of the
state, of any congressional, judicial or legislative district or of
any county may petition for the recall of any incumbent elective
officer after the first year of the term for which the incumbent
was elected, by filing a petition with the filing officer with whom
the nomination petition to the office in the primary is filed,
demanding the recall of the incumbent.
(1) The recall petition shall be signed by electors equalling
at least twenty−five percent of the vote cast for the office of governor
at the last preceding election, in the state, county or district
which the incumbent represents.
(2) The filing officer with whom the recall petition is filed
shall call a recall election for the Tuesday of the 6th week after
the date of filing the petition or, if that Tuesday is a legal holiday,
on the first day after that Tuesday which is not a legal holiday.
(3) The incumbent shall continue to perform the duties of the
office until the recall election results are officially declared.
(4) Unless the incumbent declines within 10 days after the
filing of the petition, the incumbent shall without filing be
deemed to have filed for the recall election. Other candidates
may file for the office in the manner provided by law for special
elections. For the purpose of conducting elections under this
section:
(a) When more than 2 persons compete for a nonpartisan
office, a recall primary shall be held. The 2 persons receiving
the highest number of votes in the recall primary shall be the 2
candidates in the recall election, except that if any candidate
receives a majority of the total number of votes cast in the recall
primary, that candidate shall assume the office for the remainder
of the term and a recall election shall not be held.
(b) For any partisan office, a recall primary shall be held for
each political party which is by law entitled to a separate ballot
and from which more than one candidate competes for the
party’s nomination in the recall election. The person receiving
the highest number of votes in the recall primary for each political
party shall be that party’s candidate in the recall election.
Independent candidates and candidates representing political
parties not entitled by law to a separate ballot shall be shown on
the ballot for the recall election only.
(c) When a recall primary is required, the date specified
under sub. (2) shall be the date of the recall primary and the recall
election shall be held on the Tuesday of the 4th week after the
recall primary or, if that Tuesday is a legal holiday, on the first
day after that Tuesday which is not a legal holiday.
(5) The person who receives the highest number of votes in
the recall election shall be elected for the remainder of the term.
(6) After one such petition and recall election, no further
recall petition shall be filed against the same officer during the
term for which he was elected.
(7) This section shall be self−executing and mandatory.
Laws may be enacted to facilitate its operation but no law shall
be enacted to hamper, restrict or impair the right of recall.

 

[a777pilot]

How does that work? The recall rules are written in the Wisconsin Constitution. So how does a law override a (state) constitution rule?

Good point. What did this failed legislation say anyway?

 

[tweaker2]

A Republican with principles and a concience. There is hope after all.

If I were a Wisconsin Repub in his district I'd definetely want him re-elected as a shining example of him standing up for the voting public's right to recall without interference from his colleagues.

And yes, of course that goes for Dems too.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Good point. What did this failed legislation say anyway?

It was essentially gerrymandering to make the districts of Republicans that were facing recalls to be more friendly to them.

Wisconsinites,

You can't have a recall election without at least one porn star on the ballot.

Your friends,

California

 

[WHAMPOM]

WOW!! Missrepresent your agenda to get ielected and in power, change laws to stay in power. Now where *Hitler*have we seen *Hitler*such a *Hitler* government *Hitler* before?

 

[davmat787]

WOW!! Missrepresent your agenda to get ielected and in power, change laws to stay in power. Now where *Hitler*have we seen *Hitler*such a *Hitler* government *Hitler* before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law :biggrin:

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, because Democrats never change the rules to suit themselves whenever they have even the slightest majority in gov.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/harry-reids-nuclear-blunder/2011/10/07/gIQAeqtwTL_story.html

Nope, not ever.

Thank you Jhhnn, for proving that your attention span is just as short as most of the rest of the electorate.

You cite that? Reid's thwarting of yet another Repub obstruction tactic, rather than something that changed the lives of tens of thousands of Wisconsin public servants?

What you cite was the lamest attempt at grandstanding ever undertaken by McConnell, a tactic eschewed by every minority leader of either party over at least the last 35 years.

I disagree with Reid's tactics, but nobody's take home got cut, and nobody lost rights other than Senate Repubs.

 

[Lemon law]

If nothing else, a GOP majority got swept into office in the election of 11/2010 in Wisconsin.

And with the Wisconsin recall system, Wisconsin voters get a chance to see if GOP promises are worth have been a overall benefit to the State of Wisconsin or not. As Wisconsin politics now degenerate into open class warfare.

Most other state without a recall system, are still experiencing the same class warfare.

But still as this nation moves ever closer to 11/2012, one of the electoral questions facing the GOP will be is this nation better off or worse off since the GOP gains in the election of 11/2010.

Pardon me if I ask, has GOP gains in the US congress made our economy better or worse?

And when the clear answer is even worse, how much longer can the GOP go until the GOP wins a large part of the voter's blame?

As we may find part of that early answer first in Wisconsin in early 2012.

 

[irishScott]

You cite that? Reid's thwarting of yet another Repub obstruction tactic, rather than something that changed the lives of tens of thousands of Wisconsin public servants?

What you cite was the lamest attempt at grandstanding ever undertaken by McConnell, a tactic eschewed by every minority leader of either party over at least the last 35 years.

I disagree with Reid's tactics, but nobody's take home got cut, and nobody lost rights other than Senate Repubs.

Lol. I figured you'd characterize it as some holy war against the demonic Republicans. So when Republicans bend the rules to their end, it's evil and one can generalize about how they rely on such evil tactics. But when Democrats bend the rules to their end, it's for the greater good and part of the fight against evil Republicanism. Because the Democrats have only the best interest of the people at heart.

If you're going to criticize the tactic in general, criticize it when your side uses it too. Otherwise you're just an idiot. Thankfully you mention you disagree with it, but then you try to rationalize it, all because Reid is a Democrat. So you want to be an idiot but there's a part of you that still has some sense. Good for you! :thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

Lol. I figured you'd characterize it as some holy war against the demonic Republicans. So when Republicans bend the rules to their end, it's evil and one can generalize about how they rely on such evil tactics. But when Democrats bend the rules to their end, it's for the greater good and part of the fight against evil Republicanism. Because the Democrats have only the best interest of the people at heart.

If you're going to criticize the tactic in general, criticize it when your side uses it too. Otherwise you're just an idiot. Thankfully you mention you disagree with it, but then you try to rationalize it, all because Reid is a Democrat. So you want to be an idiot but there's a part of you that still has some sense. Good for you! :thumbsup:

If you can't see the difference in the two scenarios, your blindness is willful. Recall petitions and subsequent elections don't occur unless the target has grievously offended a fairly large segment of the electorate. That's entirely different than parliamentary grandstanding.

Reid handled it wrong. McConnell sought to suspend the rules so that the raw Obama stimulus proposal could be attached to the China currency bill as an amendment, which requires a 2/3 majority. Reid should have allowed that, called upon his entire caucus to vote for it, then called for cloture and a vote on the amended measure. Repubs would have been forced to filibuster, caught in their own trap. He then should have entertained a motion from the floor to remove the amendment, which would have passed by majority vote. It's not like Repubs ever wanted the measure to pass, and we both know it.

Either that way or the way Reid handled it would have arrived at the same outcome, which can't be said for what Wisconsin Repubs are trying to accomplish.

They're running scared, rightfully so, and it shows.

 

[cubby1223]

Looks like the Republican's attempt to make Governor Walker's inevitable Recall almost impossible has been thwarted by a member of his own party....You got to LOVE that shit.

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/29637178/detail.html

Why do I get the strong sense that you devote a lot of time to your avatar image?

Either he'll win the recall or he'll lose the recall.

I really don't see what is so evil about Walker. Nothing he is doing is anything that cannot be undone the next time a new governor is in office.

Either (A) his plans are a total failure and they are undone immediately after the next election, or (B) his plans are overall a success for the state and stay enacted.

These aren't systematic changes he's enacted that are very difficult to undo. It's very easy to undo any of his actions to date.

Are you afraid of him? Or do you just like getting angry at others after drowning yourself in beer?

 

[irishScott]

If you can't see the difference in the two scenarios, your blindness is willful. Recall petitions and subsequent elections don't occur unless the target has grievously offended a fairly large segment of the electorate. That's entirely different than parliamentary grandstanding.

Reid handled it wrong. McConnell sought to suspend the rules so that the raw Obama stimulus proposal could be attached to the China currency bill as an amendment, which requires a 2/3 majority. Reid should have allowed that, called upon his entire caucus to vote for it, then called for cloture and a vote on the amended measure. Repubs would have been forced to filibuster, caught in their own trap. He then should have entertained a motion from the floor to remove the amendment, which would have passed by majority vote. It's not like Repubs ever wanted the measure to pass, and we both know it.

Either that way or the way Reid handled it would have arrived at the same outcome, which can't be said for what Wisconsin Repubs are trying to accomplish.

They're running scared, rightfully so, and it shows.

All of the bolded is irrelevant. I'm not defending either side, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. You're basically doing the same thing the OWS do when they cheer Michael Moore. Being part of the 1% is an evil, demonic, capital offense, unless you're that special part of the 1% that used the exact same tactics as the rest of the 1% but is exempt from criticism because they cheer for your team to help maintain their 1% status.

Likewise in your mind a party changing the rules toward their own end is a horrible thing... unless the party is doing so to stop those creepy, evil Republicans in your closet. If motivation and methodology are the the deciding factors, than the tactic in isolation is fine. Criticize Republican motivations all you like, you can't criticize them for using a tactic that your own side has used as well. Might as well criticize the Germans for using rifles in WWII.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Not that hard to go up from the lows.

George Bush has gone up from 22% when he left office to 47% now, for doing absolutely nothing, which is a big improvement.

Republicans hope the year delay will help memories fade of Walker's wrongs. Hopefully not.

Actually, numbers show dems hate him. Repubs like him. A growing number of moderates are siding with him. I think he'd win a recall vote, but again...who cares.

I didn't see Autistic making a post about how Massachusetts changed their laws when they had a republican governor to neuter his powers.