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That's what i'm assuming.
So if you don't want DRM, then don't upgrade to Vista. But if you want to play all the newer media (movies, etc.), you have to have Vista.
Hence why this is so upsetting...it's like the entertainment industry is basically saying we don't have a choice. Very akin to communism...
Oh come on, you have to be thrilled with the people you have elected to Office and running the Country and making these rules on the behalf of the Corporations that rule the Government.
Get with the program already.
Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Edit: oops, I didnt' see how old this thread is. A friend gave it to me
HAHAHA!!! IT'S ALIVE! IIIIT'S ALIIIIIVE!!! :evil:
...or perhaps undead. Either way...
TheToOTaLL
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I seriously doubt it will boil down to monitors if such DRM is implemented in Longhorn. Besides, the input has to come from the PC, more importantly, the video card, for anything to be displayed on the screen, whether it's DSUB/DVI/Component/SVIDEO.
The video card makers will be the ones getting even more of a squeeze, seeing that early components of it are already in NVIDIA/ATI drivers. That would be more reasonable than making everyone replace their monitors and video cards.
The video card makers will be the ones getting even more of a squeeze, seeing that early components of it are already in NVIDIA/ATI drivers. That would be more reasonable than making everyone replace their monitors and video cards.
AFAIK, MacroVision (?) is already implemented in the video card drivers. I don't think any DVD player software will play DVDs if your video card has a composite output that doesn't do MacroVision (or whatever it is called). (I had some mess with my video card drivers a year or so ago, and PowerDVD refused to play any DVDs then, even though I only have my CRT hooked up -- brilliant)
So bottom line, we either get Longhorn or don't get to play new content. Plague or pestilence -- you can have your pick of either one...
Originally posted by: BikeDude
AFAIK, MacroVision (?) is already implemented in the video card drivers. I don't think any DVD player software will play DVDs if your video card has a composite output that doesn't do MacroVision (or whatever it is called). (I had some mess with my video card drivers a year or so ago, and PowerDVD refused to play any DVDs then, even though I only have my CRT hooked up -- brilliant)
So bottom line, we either get Longhorn or don't get to play new content. Plague or pestilence -- you can have your pick of either one...
I still don't understand how all of you seem so fatalistic about this.
Maybe I'm walking into the same goddamn trap I already walked into once this thread, but: Goddamnit! You're the consumers! You're supposed to be getting your way!
I mean, you guys sound like fscking smokers. You're so attached to products that have negative effects, because you need your fix, no matter the cost (more than just monetary).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrovision
Well, if we buy less content, then the content providers will think we're pirating the stuff, and they will lobby for even harsher laws. DMCA will feel like a light breeze in the shorts compared to what they'll come up with next.
But certainly yeah, you're right, it's just a matter of not buying the stuff. I already buy (and watch) less DVDs than I used too, so it's no big deal. Not watching any DVDs does make you sort of an outcast of society though.
Also keep in mind that some people have invested rather a lot of money into big screen TVs, surround sound and they want the freedom to choose what devices to attach. E.g. storing all store-bought movies on a small media server for greater convenience.
And finally, the western world's main religion is consumerism. We've been brought up to be consumers and that's what we do best. We expect certain things when buying a car, a book or cotton candy. So we get confused when merchandise like DVDs violates the principles of what owning an item means (I can buy a motorbike in the US, but I can't buy a DVD because I'm from a different continent/region? I can tinker with my new motorbike, but must not let my debugger touch the DVD unless I want to face the wrath of DMCA? I can copy each part of the motorbike and replace it entirely, but I can't make a backup of the extremely fragile DVD?).
i dual boot Windows with SUSE.
this time next year i may only be running one OS, and that won't be an M$ version.
this time next year i may only be running one OS, and that won't be an M$ version.
The ones who will make money off this are the folks who provide those "illegal" black box converters. They will certainly get my money, my 52" HD isnt going into the trash heap any time soon.
Rock Hydra
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So, I'm thinking that people with laptops that install can Windows Vista on it they'll be SOL since their displays cannot bechanged period.
Originally posted by: BikeDude
Well, if we buy less content, then the content providers will think we're pirating the stuff, and they will lobby for even harsher laws. DMCA will feel like a light breeze in the shorts compared to what they'll come up with next.
But certainly yeah, you're right, it's just a matter of not buying the stuff. I already buy (and watch) less DVDs than I used too, so it's no big deal. Not watching any DVDs does make you sort of an outcast of society though.
Also keep in mind that some people have invested rather a lot of money into big screen TVs, surround sound and they want the freedom to choose what devices to attach. E.g. storing all store-bought movies on a small media server for greater convenience.
And finally, the western world's main religion is consumerism. We've been brought up to be consumers and that's what we do best. We expect certain things when buying a car, a book or cotton candy. So we get confused when merchandise like DVDs violates the principles of what owning an item means (I can buy a motorbike in the US, but I can't buy a DVD because I'm from a different continent/region? I can tinker with my new motorbike, but must not let my debugger touch the DVD unless I want to face the wrath of DMCA? I can copy each part of the motorbike and replace it entirely, but I can't make a backup of the extremely fragile DVD?).
The problem with consumerism comes when critical information is withheld. Companies all do this, because it's bad business to tell everyone everything about your products, including the negatives. Making an informed decision is so critical to the way capitalism works (the price system), but these asshats always shortchange the system by omission. And of course, we don't exactly help things when most consumers fail to reward full disclosure.
Sorry if this has already been stated.
I'd be willing to bet monopoly money that MS will have the Retail version with this new requirement and the Corporate version without it.
I don't think MS could sell this new OS to their big buyers if they said Oh & by the way you need to buy all new displays for your PCs.
It sounds like all of this restrictive capability is handled in the Software layer and if that is indeed the fact then it can be reprogrammed and hacked to circumvent the restrictions.
Just my opinion.
I'd be willing to bet monopoly money that MS will have the Retail version with this new requirement and the Corporate version without it.
I don't think MS could sell this new OS to their big buyers if they said Oh & by the way you need to buy all new displays for your PCs.
It sounds like all of this restrictive capability is handled in the Software layer and if that is indeed the fact then it can be reprogrammed and hacked to circumvent the restrictions.
Just my opinion.
That's a good point Cooler,
I think in the near future I will research the capabilities of Linux in relation to all the capabilities I need and maybe even build a new system around a distribution.
Why use hacks to get the function you need if Linux can do it? Simply learn Linux.
I think in the near future I will research the capabilities of Linux in relation to all the capabilities I need and maybe even build a new system around a distribution.
Why use hacks to get the function you need if Linux can do it? Simply learn Linux.
I want to know what microsoft is smoking. can they honestly belave DRM will work? I mean with this many links in the chain it will be broken somewhere (the video will exsist in a un encrypted form at some point in the chain) And even if its un feasable for the everyday consumer to do it. some hard core people will and will release unencrypted version for the rest of us
Actually, the hardware-enforced DRM solution is just the thing for the corporation. Need to keep a document internal? No problem. Mark it so, and (once the system is fully in place, that is) nobody will be able to open it up outside of the office. Good-bye corporate scandals.
See #5 and #11 in the TCPA FAQ. In theory, massive abuse is possible.
They think it will work because they are moving it into hardware. It becomes much harder to remove once in hardware, and it's a lot easier to trace physical circumvention devices (which, again, by the DMCA, are thoroughly illegal in the US) and press charges. It can work if they make it illegal to break at all, instead of break and distribute.
bersl2,
That would seem like a good thing for the corporations. How would that effect telecommuters & mobile users? Would the companies buy their employees work PCs or screens for home?
I have a feeling that if this isn't an invisible transition then there will be great resistance to this new restriction.
Reminds me of my history classes about isolationism. Where the big companies are isolating themselves from their customers (who, in their mind are a threat to them).
That would seem like a good thing for the corporations. How would that effect telecommuters & mobile users? Would the companies buy their employees work PCs or screens for home?
I have a feeling that if this isn't an invisible transition then there will be great resistance to this new restriction.
Reminds me of my history classes about isolationism. Where the big companies are isolating themselves from their customers (who, in their mind are a threat to them).
Microsoft are just a bunch of a$$holes!! I have never heard of "Your monitor doesn't meet the Windows minimum requirements"!! WTF is this?!! I don't think much will upgrade from XP if Microsoft continues on this path... I wonder what else will they do?!
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