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Win 10 Fall Creators (1709) is On.

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I have tried a 2.5 along with the m.2. It all started when I woke up to a BSOD that was unrepairable. I reinstalled and checked that drive. It had one retired block, so I thought maybe that was bad, the drive was about 6 years old. So I swapped for the m.2 sata drive. Did two different installs. One from media creation tool, the second from burning an ISO. All three times I had this bug.

I am on build 16299.19.

The bug is persistent in safe mode. I tried different GPU drivers. It's also the same with or without chipset and other drivers. It only has to do with using a program like Thunderbird or Discord that has hyper links. If I check Gmail inside Chrome, the links work as expected.

I do have the issue that Edge hangs, but IE works just fine. I even installed MS Office to try a different email program. That also had the same issue.

I also tested the new SSD, upgraded the firmware. No problems with it health wise. Used multiple tools to check it, along with Kingston software.


*Update

Last night it magically started working. I checked the Windows logs and found this.

The browser service has failed to retrieve the backup list too many times on transport \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EB0AD04F-5BCE-43E7-8B3E-B0474DE57FE9}. The backup browser is stopping.


Once that stopped, everything worked correctly.
 
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I just had the update done, and after solving some minor issues like reenabling audio inputs and reinstalling my mp3 codec, it works almost surprisingly good.

Since 1709 :
Network was always a bit slow, it took minutes after powering on my modem before i would have an internet connection.
Now it works within less than a minute.

Windows is also very snappy and responsive again.
It boots faster.
The last 1703 got slower and slower after each weekly update.

Searching files is still a bit slow on the HDD but i have to look into that why it works so slow.

Might be because i have a dutch windows, but i doubt that.
Within a few weeks i have todo a complete re install and i should really look into it to get an english windows. That would be great if i could use an english windows.
Cause that i prefer.

I just cleaned up my old installation files and i noticed that this windows is either a bit leaner or i had some installation files i could not remove manually. I have between 5 and 10 GB gained free space now.

I just found out :
My startmenu does not seem to work properly.
Sometimes it will not pop up.
Have to find out why.
 
It works again, I followed these steps :
I did a new search index that did nothing.
Then i boldly just reinstalled cortana as described below through the powershell.
And at the moment everything seems to work fine again.
Explorer did not respond, search box did not respond and startmenu did not respond.
But now it works fine again.
When windowskey + X does nothing, got to C:/windows/system32 and execute cmd.exe as admin.
Then type "powershell" to get into the powershell mode.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ading-to/3ad997ca-cbaa-42a2-8df5-2d05d43cd5c0

Method 4: Reinstall Cortana\

Press Windows key + X
Click PowerShell (Admin)

At the command Prompt, type then following the hit Enter.
Exit Powershell then restart

Get-AppXPackage -Name Microsoft.Windows.Cortana | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"}
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restarting might be an issue, so open another command prompt (cmd.exe) and then type : "shutdown -r"
and wait a minute.
 
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This is certainly new.
I can get cortana to stop functioning every time i clean up files by using disk clean up and then running optimization of my C disk.
I just had to do the same trick again because my startmenu and search box stopped working and the explorer.exe takes about 10 seconds to start.
Going to look at the logs now.
 
Unfortunately, there is nothing in the logs that could relate to this issue.
I do have 1 dll hell(side by side) error, but that is not related to this.

I should also note, that since 1709 the audio settings such as samplerate and bitdepth are different by default.
I always had 44100Hz as output but for some reason with 1709 it will go to the max audio setting which is 24bit 48000Hz for this board i have.
I have some programs that do not function with 48000Hz , so it was surprising to see that i had some programs that changed their default behavior.
 
If you want help with it: side by side issues are pretty easy to fix, start another thread with the details of the app having problems to start and the side by side error and you'll get help with it (pm me if I miss it).
 
Forgot to mention that i just had another startmenu issue.

I restarted both explorer.exe and the runtimebroker + cortana app from process explorer from sysinternals but it did not help.
Luckily i could restart windows by making use of process explorer which has shutdown, restart and log off options.
After the restart everything worked again.
Seems this is going to be a real problem. 1709 is screwed up at least for me and all the other people that have start menu issues ( I googled for it).
No entries in the windows logs that something has crashed or had strange behavior.
Must be a problem internal to windows 10.
 
William Gaatjes said:
From the server from microsoft.
Windows updated itself
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There could have been issues with the actual transmission of the data caused by the cable or phone system. It can get corrupted. Another thought, a while back I had problems with a build, rolled back the the previous, then allowed the problem build to reload through the update process. The result, the issues I had at the onset went away.
 
It is highly unlikely that the data got corrupted during transmission. Ethernet has an FCS ( frame check sequence) that store a crc over each frame.
TCP protocol has a checksum and ip has a checksum as well.
VDSL and ADSL use pppoe and that has CRC checks.
Packets and frames that have errors are discarded and retransmitted.
Filesystems use crc checks as well.

And i assume that microsoft calculates crc over their installation files as well.
cab files are microsoft archive files that also have crc checks and for example the msi installer alsu uses a crc check to detect corrupt files.
Besides, if it was an error in one of the files, the error would always happen.
But it does not.
I think it is some sort of race condition between different services and apps starting and that a service is missing or some sort of wrong initialization.
The start menu underwent many changes and many people have complained about the start menu having issues of the 1709 update.
 
William Gaatjes said:
The start menu underwent many changes and many people have complained about the start menu having issues of the 1709 update.
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Yeah. Microsoft really screwed something up, or made too many dependencies. (I think MS Store and OneDrive have to be running, to show the start menu, due to "integration".)

Anyways, I had issues, when I upgraded one of my R5 1600 rigs to 1709, start menu was screwed up. Had to roll back (re-install) AMD drivers 17.7.2 WHQL, I think.
 
William Gaatjes said:
It is highly unlikely that the data got corrupted during transmission. Ethernet has an FCS ( frame check sequence) that store a crc over each frame.
TCP protocol has a checksum and ip has a checksum as well.
VDSL and ADSL use pppoe and that has CRC checks.
Packets and frames that have errors are discarded and retransmitted.
Filesystems use crc checks as well.
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I call bulls...t!
Recently I attempted to download a ROM for my cell phone. The MD5 was posted with the file. It took 2 tries to get the files MD5 to match the posted MD5. This had happened to others over the years. If that could happen then it can happen now!
 
It should be unlikely that a download gets corrupted. It still happens. If anyone finds that it happens often (for me I'd guess that maybe I experience it once every 6 months, maybe less often than that), then the issue should be investigated.

Yes, there are a fair few checks to try and ensure that a file doesn't end up corrupted, but humans made those checks and humans are fallible.
 
RLGL said:
I call bulls...t!
Recently I attempted to download a ROM for my cell phone. The MD5 was posted with the file. It took 2 tries to get the files MD5 to match the posted MD5. This had happened to others over the years. If that could happen then it can happen now!
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Then your connection itself is inherently unreliable.
There goes tera bytes of data everyday over the whole world and nothing get corrupted unless there is a defective part but that will usually show itself as a serious decrease in transfer speeds because of the constant package or frame dropping and constant re-transmission.

But sending a rom which is a bin file just like that and not rar or zip or tar is unwise.
Because sometimes programs append bytes to files because of bugs.
I can remember that i received a simple linux config text file without file extension on a windows machine using outlook.
The file would not be parsed correctly when running on the linux machine. As it turns out, outlook had appended a line feed or carriage return , something like that to the config file.
When sending in rar container, the issue was gone.
That you call bullshit may only exist in your own reality.
 
William Gaatjes said:
Then your connection itself is inherently unreliable
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Wake up, don't say it is impossible, yours may be also!
With the time you have wasted trying to fix your train wreck up to this point you could have:
Downloaded the installation tool for the creators update, Written zeros to the drive, updated the bios to the latest version and started a fresh install.
With that barring hardware issues you should have a stable system.
 
I am updating my h
RLGL said:
Wake up, don't say it is impossible, yours may be also!
With the time you have wasted trying to fix your train wreck up to this point you could have:
Downloaded the installation tool for the creators update, Written zeros to the drive, updated the bios to the latest version and started a fresh install.
With that barring hardware issues you should have a stable system.
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You are funny. 😀
 
VirtualLarry said:
Yeah. Microsoft really screwed something up, or made too many dependencies. (I think MS Store and OneDrive have to be running, to show the start menu, due to "integration".)

Anyways, I had issues, when I upgraded one of my R5 1600 rigs to 1709, start menu was screwed up. Had to roll back (re-install) AMD drivers 17.7.2 WHQL, I think.
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That is interesting that MS Store and Onedrive have to be running for the startmenu to function.
Thank you. That might be another clue.
 
I have onedrive uninstalled on several installs and don't have any issues with the start menu. I haven't uninstalled Store, although I probably should.
 
Ketchup said:
I have onedrive uninstalled on several installs and don't have any issues with the start menu. I haven't uninstalled Store, although I probably should.
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It does not happen to everybody these issues. This is kind of rare for me. Another strange thing is that my audio settings are messed up. I already tried solving it with other drivers but i am afraid the update did not go so wel. For now i can work with it. Sometimes audacity is unable to find a proper audio device for recording and playback. Selecting different sample rates forth and back solves the issue. I never encountered this before, though.
I had a side by side error with audacity and i think there is still an issue somewhere.
Reinstalling did nothing.
Within a few weeks i plan and hope to be upgrading to new hardware and do a fresh install. I do hope microsoft will not offer an old windows 10 version for download and then starts updating a fresh install as they did with older windows 10 versions. I might encounter the same issues again.
 
I always set the system to not allow the automatic installation of manufacturers software. The Upgrade to 1709 Fall Creators reset it to ALLOW . I logged on this am and WU immediately installed an old video driver. Nice.
 
Well, that forced by microsoft KB4048955 update did not help.
I have now instead of names, id strings in my start menu for the latest driver installation.
The idstrings start with ##IDSTRING_16##, ##IDSTRING_17##,##IDSTRING_18## and point to the amd folder in sthe startmenu and the two progams : Problem report wizard and uninstall program.
The weird thing is that these strings start with # but the startmenu sorts them under &.
# is used for 0-9 and that is odd, why not use "0-9" ?
I sure hope that by the time i do a fresh install all this mess is solved.
 
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