Will Obama now work with republicans?

[glenn1]

"Work with" is an ambiguous term. He'll likely feel forced into signing at least a couple bills he would have otherwise opposed, which will give him some political space to push back against bills he vehemently hates. I think Clinton signing welfare reform in the mid 90s is a good model.

After those couple initial sops to the GOP, I think any further cooperation will depend on how hardcore Congress wants to be in the future bills they pass. If they go with a "we get 99% of what we want and Obama gets 1% he wants" probably not much will get signed. It remains to see how much north of 50% that the GOP could go and still have Obama play ball. For things he cares about like immigration reform I could honestly see him agreeing to a lot more things than he would otherwise just to get something done.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If Republicans and Obama are both reasonable, they should be able to get a lot accomplished.

 

[IGBT]

the election is a full fledged stop and reverse order on the obama agenda. Compromise on the reckless liberal agenda still results in recklessness.

 

[doubledeluxe]

If Republicans and Obama are both reasonable, they should be able to get a lot accomplished.

Yeah but isn't that a pipe dream? I can see one side being responsible but not both at the same time.

Here's to hoping our leaders do their job.

 

[Texashiker]

If Republicans and Obama are both reasonable, they should be able to get a lot accomplished.

When has obama been reasonable?

He is not even admitting the people are tired of his failed leadership.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/...l-repudiated-by-crushing-defeat-of-his-party/

But that was not the way Mr. Obama saw it. The electoral map was stacked against him, he argued, making Democrats underdogs from the start.

And his own party kept him off the trail, meaning he never really got the chance to make his case. “You’re in the Final Four,” as one aide put it, “and you’re on the bench with a walking boot and you don’t get to play.”

Seriously? obama is blaming his own party?

People walking out during his speeches should have gave him a clue as to what the election was going to be like.

 

[fskimospy]

"Work with" is an ambiguous term. He'll likely feel forced into signing at least a couple bills he would have otherwise opposed, which will give him some political space to push back against bills he vehemently hates. I think Clinton signing welfare reform in the mid 90s is a good model.

After those couple initial sops to the GOP, I think any further cooperation will depend on how hardcore Congress wants to be in the future bills they pass. If they go with a "we get 99% of what we want and Obama gets 1% he wants" probably not much will get signed. It remains to see how much north of 50% that the GOP could go and still have Obama play ball. For things he cares about like immigration reform I could honestly see him agreeing to a lot more things than he would otherwise just to get something done.

Possible, but I think the sticking point here is the House. Remember, the senate and Obama already agreed on an immigration bill in the past. The question in this would be if the dynamic between Obama and the house has changed. (I don't think it has)

That's the real problem here. If you think more compromises need to be made then the senate was never really the issue as it (broadly) occupies the ideological space between Obama and the house. In a situation where you need all parties to agree a compromise depends on those furthest apart.

Obama might move slightly to the right on things to get some maneuvering space but I don't think it's likely that much will change because not much has changed about the fundamental relationship that's held up compromise to date.

 

[fskimospy]

the election is a full fledged stop and reverse order on the obama agenda. Compromise on the reckless liberal agenda still results in recklessness.

Case in point.

And if people are saying "well IGBT is insane, he doesn't represent people in congress", well, listen to more congressmen.

 

[glenn1]

Possible, but I think the sticking point here is the House. Remember, the senate and Obama already agreed on an immigration bill in the past. The question in this would be if the dynamic between Obama and the house has changed. (I don't think it has)

That's the real problem here. If you think more compromises need to be made then the senate was never really the issue as it (broadly) occupies the ideological space between Obama and the house. In a situation where you need all parties to agree a compromise depends on those furthest apart.

Obama might move slightly to the right on things to get some maneuvering space but I don't think it's likely that much will change because not much has changed about the fundamental relationship that's held up compromise to date.

Yeah, not too hopeful about how reasonable the House is going to be, probably something between "extreme minimum" and "none." Still, if Obama is smart like I know he is, then he'll have a prepared list of sweeteners on his end he can use in deal making and make a first move proactively to offer some of them in deal. Unlike salary negotiations, politics seems to be a space where the person who puts the first offer on the table is better off since that serves as a mental "anchor" for the public which they rate the counteroffer against.

 

[Texashiker]

Obama might move slightly to the right on things to get some maneuvering space

Here is the issue, obama is not willing to negotiate or compromise on anything.

When has he negotiated with congress?
When has he negotiated with a foreign nation?
When has he dealt with anything?

Syria, Crimea, free trade, one of our soldiers in a mexico prison, our citizens beheaded by isis, benghazi, snubbed the funeral of Margaret Thatcher, chickenshit comment about netanyahu,,, etc.

The only thing obama is going to do between now and 2016 is play golf.

 

[fskimospy]

Here is the issue, obama is not willing to negotiate or compromise on anything.

When has he negotiated with congress?
When has he negotiated with a foreign nation?
When has he dealt with anything?

Syria, Crimea, free trade, one of our soldiers in a mexico prison, our citizens beheaded by isis, benghazi, snubbed the funeral of Margaret Thatcher, chickenshit comment about netanyahu,,, etc.

The only thing obama is going to do between now and 2016 is play golf.

I think it's funny that only a few days back you were accusing Obama of committing treason by negotiating and dealing with Iran. Now you're saying he never negotiates with anyone.

Maybe you should cut back your meds. They seem to be affecting your ability to think.

 

[Texashiker]

I think it's funny that only a few days back you were accusing Obama of committing treason by negotiating and dealing with Iran. Now you're saying he never negotiates with anyone.

One of my points made for me.

One of the only nations obama eased trade sanctions on is also our enemy, and the enemy of our ally Israel.

Hows that cell phone theory working out for you? Iran citizens revolting yet? Nope. But now Iran has access to smart phone technology.

Maybe you should cut back your meds. They seem to be affecting your ability to think.

If you do not like me now, you really will not like me when I am off my meds.

 

[fskimospy]

One of my points made for me.

One of the only nations obama eased trade sanctions on is also our enemy, and the enemy of our ally Israel.

Hows that cell phone theory working out for you? Iran citizens revolting yet? Nope. But now Iran has access to smart phone technology.


If you do not like me now, you really will not like me when I am off my meds.

You really need to get your whining straight. You can whine that he negotiates with bad people or you can whine that he doesn't negotiate. You just tried to do both.

You aren't even internally consistent.

 

[Texashiker]

You really need to get your whining straight. You can whine that he negotiates with bad people or you can whine that he doesn't negotiate. You just tried to do both.

You aren't even internally consistent.

Are you going to babble, or are you going to refute my claims?

Please tell me where the obama administration has done anything of value with our allies.

Gave military weapons to egypt, which you justified. Now that the government was overthrown, where is our military tech?
Syria is a craphole.
Iraq is being overwhelmed by isis.
Iran is furthering its nuclear program.
Libya is a hell hole after Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown.
Winter is here so Europe has no option but to butter up to Putin.
Chances are Russia is going to come out of the 2014 - 2015 winter a lot richer.
China is buying Russian oil.
Europe has no option but to buy Russian gas.

And then someone in the obama administration makes chickshit comments about netanyahu?

Holy crap, really?

And you think obama is going to shift slightly to the right?

The only thing obama is going to shift on is his golf swing.

 

[ivwshane]

Republicans have spent the last 6 years doing everything they can to fuck this nation in an attempt to make the President look bad. Why would anyone want the President to work with these seditious pieces of shit?

This is easily verified by asking; what platform did republicans run on this year?

The answer? Fear and Obama hate. They painted Obama as the issue and not only did people swallow their bullshit, the democrat candidates did as well and it cost them.

The good news is that government in a majority of places are now controlled by republicans, from local gov to the governor. Which means all the policies republicans push through and the disastrous results that happen (see Kansas and brownback) will be, unquestionably, the fault of republicans. Will that be enough to overcome republican propaganda? Doubtful, but the facts for future generations and for other countries will be there for all to see.

 

[ivwshane]

Your shit is getting old! Fuck off, you retarded hypocrite!

Why would anyone refute your claims? You are wrong about every topic you bring up and you never have facts or proof of your claims! When you pull bullshit from somewhere other than your ass maybe then people will "refute your claims".

Until then go back to your shitty little house in the hills you jobless, dead beat dad, piece of shit!

Are you going to babble, or are you going to refute my claims?

Please tell me where the obama administration has done anything of value with our allies.

Gave military weapons to egypt, which you justified. Now that the government was overthrown, where is our military tech?
Syria is a craphole.
Iraq is being overwhelmed by isis.
Iran is furthering its nuclear program.
Libya is a hell hole after Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown.
Winter is here so Europe has no option but to butter up to Putin.
Chances are Russia is going to come out of the 2014 - 2015 winter a lot richer.
China is buying Russian oil.
Europe has no option but to buy Russian gas.

And then someone in the obama administration makes chickshit comments about netanyahu?

Holy crap, really?

And you think obama is going to shift slightly to the right?

The only thing obama is going to shift on is his golf swing.

 

[michal1980]

This is easily verified by asking; what platform did republicans run on this year?

The answer? Fear and Obama hate. They painted Obama as the issue and not only did people swallow their bullshit, the democrat candidates did as well and it cost them.

The good news is that government in a majority of places are now controlled by republicans, from local gov to the governor. Which means all the policies republicans push through and the disastrous results that happen (see Kansas and brownback) will be, unquestionably, the fault of republicans. Will that be enough to overcome republican propaganda? Doubtful, but the facts for future generations and for other countries will be there for all to see.

and what was the democratic platform?

the fear of slavery and repeal of the 19th amendment?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

lol if this press conference is any indication - the answer is no. He's tone deaf(or just delusional) if he really believes what he's saying about what the election said last night.

 

[ivwshane]

and what was the democratic platform?

the fear of slavery and repeal of the 19th amendment?

Their platform was, "I'm not obama".

 

[werepossum]

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/g_three_sections_with_teasers/origins.htm

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory...ogether_-_Joint_Rules_of_House_and_Senate.htm

http://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Cloture_vrd.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_procedure#American_procedures

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-the-roman-senate-and-could-wreck-ours/72776/

If your education in civics omitted this then you should probably revisit it. The filibuster isn't new, given the things that were deliberately and explicitly changed from the British way of doing things one would think that they would have omitted the filibuster from the rules we adopted if they thought as you did.

I also didn't see an update on Ms. Cox and I haven't found any reference to her leanings let alone history as a speechwriter.

People tend to (probably intentionally) forget that what changed in the Senate wasn't unlimited debate, but adding mechanics for ending unlimited debate. Personally I support the filibuster - with the provision that Senators should be forced to actually talk rather than merely indicate that they are ready to go on talking - but very much support its limitation for spending bills and nominees.

"Will Obama now work with Republicans?"

One can say that that's what he's being trying to do for the last six years. If there was any give in the game of give and take since Obama took office, it's come from the Dem side of the aisle.

I literally got frustrated and pissed every time Obama and Reid gave in to Repub demands during Obama's first term while the Repubs kept up their clearly stated single-minded effort to get rid of Obama after his first term and gave back absolutely nothing in return. Repeat - NOTHING in return. Mission accomplished.

Apparently, Obama and the Dems decided to play the same game the Repubs were hammering him with during Obama's second go-around, and then the Repubs did a very good job of excoriating Obama and the Dems for doing exactly what was OK for the Repubs to be doing for the last six years.

Smart politicking IMO.

Congrats - you now understand how Republicans have felt for decades.

More to the point, Obama got his tax increase and his many debt ceiling increases, and that's after Obama's first two years in which he was very vocal about not needing or wanting Republicans. There aren't a lot of things a politician won't forgive, but insults to his own perceived importance are high on that list.

If Republicans and Obama are both reasonable, they should be able to get a lot accomplished.

Which is very much like saying that if skilled and highly industrious flying monkeys come out of my butt in great enough numbers I should be able to get your house finished on schedule.

 

[werepossum]

Their platform was, "I'm not obama".

That's pretty much the platform the Dems ran on as well - one of the ladies who lost refused to say she voted for him even though she was one of his delegates. In most of the nation the Dems ran away from Obama just as hard as did the Pubbies, it's just that the Pubbies had a big head start.

The Pubbies resisted the urge to assemble their usual circular firing squad and observed the first rule of politics - when your opponents are committing political suicide, stay out of their way.

 

[Texashiker]

Until then go back to your shitty little house in the hills you jobless, dead beat dad, piece of shit!

I have a job.
I take care of my kids.
Please clarify piece of crap?

Everything I posted was true. You have no rebuttal so the only thing you can do is post insults.

obama agenda for next two years - eat, sleep, veto bills, play golf.

Who knows, we might see more trade sanctions eased on iran in the next 2 years.

 

[thraashman]

If Republicans and Obama are both reasonable, they should be able to get a lot accomplished.

I find it more likely that Obama will be reasonable than Republicans.
Though to put that in perspective I find it more likely that I'll walk to the bathroom right now and shit out diamonds than Republicans being reasonable.
I'll be back in 10 minutes and let y'all know how it goes.

 

[hal2kilo]

Is this some kind if right wing talk radio circle jerk?

I've had him on Ignore for about a year now. To paraphraise a line from Blazing Saddles.
Gentlemen, and especially all you young folks in the room I'm glad you all got to witness some genuine southeast texas gibberrish.

 

[ivwshane]

That's pretty much the platform the Dems ran on as well - one of the ladies who lost refused to say she voted for him even though she was one of his delegates. In most of the nation the Dems ran away from Obama just as hard as did the Pubbies, it's just that the Pubbies had a big head start.

The Pubbies resisted the urge to assemble their usual circular firing squad and observed the first rule of politics - when your opponents are committing political suicide, stay out of their way.

The question was, "what platform did democrats run on". The answer was, "I'm not obama".

If the choice is between:

Obama is destroying this country

Or

I'm not obama


Who do you think will come out to vote?

 

[ivwshane]

I have a job.
I take care of my kids.
Please clarify piece of crap?

Everything I posted was true. You have no rebuttal so the only thing you can do is post insults.

obama agenda for next two years - eat, sleep, veto bills, play golf.

Who knows, we might see more trade sanctions eased on iran in the next 2 years.

Lol! You lie all the time and make shit up. I believe nothing you say. You are a turd with a mouth who can't even remember what position he took on an issue from thread to thread.