Will Obama now work with republicans?

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rockyct

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"Work with" is an ambiguous term. He'll likely feel forced into signing at least a couple bills he would have otherwise opposed, which will give him some political space to push back against bills he vehemently hates. I think Clinton signing welfare reform in the mid 90s is a good model.

After those couple initial sops to the GOP, I think any further cooperation will depend on how hardcore Congress wants to be in the future bills they pass. If they go with a "we get 99% of what we want and Obama gets 1% he wants" probably not much will get signed. It remains to see how much north of 50% that the GOP could go and still have Obama play ball. For things he cares about like immigration reform I could honestly see him agreeing to a lot more things than he would otherwise just to get something done.
The Republicans have been "we want 99%" for the last six years anyway, nothing is going to change now except that they'll want that last one percent. Obama may as well dig in as well at this point. He really has nothing to lose. If I were him, I'd dare the Republicans to try impeachment. I wouldn't even give them the Keystone pipeline, which honestly, I don't think he really gives a fuck about. It's just a fake issue both sides have taken up as a mantle.

The Republican party doesn't even really have a single take on immigration. Half the party wants to increase the worker visa program to bring in cheap labor for low and high tech jobs (with maybe eventually a path to some form of citizenship). The other half wants to lock down the Mexican border and deport every non-citizen. If the Republicans wanted an immigration deal, they missed their chance. It isn't going to happen now. They'll want too much and Democrats will run out the clock until Hillary and the next Congress. Nothing will get out of Congress and he'll make some minor executive orders with the excuse that, "if Congress can't get shit down, I had to do what I could."
 

ivwshane

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Sportage, please provide a link that verifies your 1/3 voted.

I'll tell ya what....if Obama uses his pen to grant amnesty to all the illegals, all hell is gonna break loose and he's gonna be in a world of shit. Impeachment proceedings will most likely begin.
I've listened to all the whiney liberals all day and read their social media posts. Still claiming the GOP suppressed votes and that all that happened is racial. Bull shit! America is tired of this ass clown and voted appropriately. Deal with it! If the GOP is so racist, how did Mia Love win in Utah? If the GOP is so racist, how did Tim Scott win a seat in the Senate? The racists / war on women narrative has failed and been debunked. It was all they had to run on and they lost. The democrats have noone to blame but themselves and playing the victim and racist cards look so childish.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...-in-the-incoming-senate-than-for-republicans/

Vs 2012

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/library/report/2012-voter-turnout

~43 million vs 126 million.

While I agree that dems have no one to blame but themselves, it has nothing to do with racism claims but rather dems unwillingness to run on their record (which by all accounts is a great record).
 

brycejones

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If the GOP is so racist, how did Mia Love win in Utah?

Can we name her Token? In all seriousness though electing a LDS woman who happens to be black isn't exactly a shocking win in Utah. I would have been shocked if they had elected a gay black Jewish woman in Utah who happened to be a member of the GOP that would have been a shocking win.
 

highland145

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Can we name her Token? In all seriousness though electing a LDS woman who happens to be black isn't exactly a shocking win in Utah. I would have been shocked if they had elected a gay black Jewish woman in Utah who happened to be a member of the GOP that would have been a shocking win.
We elected some black dude down here. So much for keeping them down.


kidding/kidding.


Met Tim Scott 2 weeks ago. He spoke at a dinner my wife was in charge of. Appears to be a decent guy. Hopefully he can keep the DC taint from corrupting him.
 

FerrelGeek

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As a son of a free African man and an American woman, I don't think so.

Yup. HTFoff is just another sad soul, ignorant of our history. Not every black man in the US at that time was a slave; in fact, there were black plantation owners who OWNED black slaves.

As to the topic at hand, Obama is still under the delusion that he's back in 2008 thumping his chest and saying 'we won!', which was Obamaspeak for 'I get to do whatever I want'. He'd do well to learn a lesson from Clinton, but he won't. Obama's nothing but a spoiled little brat.

That being said, I have no faith in the rep leadership either. I've already made comments in other threads. They earned 'the stupid party' label for good reason.

As to the '2/3' that didn't vote - sucks to be you. Don't vote? STFU.

Michelle graciously pronounced that any black person that got out and voted democrat could treat themselves to fried chicken. What more incentive would one need??? (that's sarcasm, btw) If a white person (or a non dem black person) had made that comment, the liberal rage would've been nearly epic; and I wouldn't blame them. I found that comment of hers to be profoundly offensive and I'm just a middle-aged white boy.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Republicans were not elected simply because voters loved republicans, republicans were elected to work. And when the party itself begins their self destruction, voters will once again rise up in protest.
Never forget.... voters are fickle. What is palatable today sours tomorrow

For once we agree. It's the Republicans turn and I expect there's going to be a lot of fighting amongst themselves, which is a good thing. The party is in need of significant reform and if it's going to happen this is how it will be done. Maybe we'll finally see new ideas that make sense and your party will have to change too. One can hope.
 

jhbball

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Are you going to babble, or are you going to refute my claims?

Please tell me where the obama administration has done anything of value with our allies.

Gave military weapons to egypt, which you justified. Now that the government was overthrown, where is our military tech?
Syria is a craphole.
Iraq is being overwhelmed by isis.
Iran is furthering its nuclear program.
Libya is a hell hole after Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown.
Winter is here so Europe has no option but to butter up to Putin.
Chances are Russia is going to come out of the 2014 - 2015 winter a lot richer.
China is buying Russian oil.
Europe has no option but to buy Russian gas.

And then someone in the obama administration makes chickshit comments about netanyahu?

Holy crap, really?

And you think obama is going to shift slightly to the right?

The only thing obama is going to shift on is his golf swing.

Stick to building chicken coops you shit-kicking retard.
 

HTFOff

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Yup. HTFoff is just another sad soul, ignorant of our history. Not every black man in the US at that time was a slave; in fact, there were black plantation owners who OWNED black slaves.


I think I've been banned like a minimum of 4 times for racism. Don't get too worked up over a little hyperbole, ace.
 

FerrelGeek

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I think I've been banned like a minimum of 4 times for racism. Don't get too worked up over a little hyperbole, ace.

I'm actually a rather phlegmatic person, so not all that worked up. But I do get rather perturbed when I see potential revisionist history.

And nothing I said was even remotely racist, though I'm sure some today consider stating inconvenient truths to be racism. :)
 

cabri

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I'm actually a rather phlegmatic person, so not all that worked up. But I do get rather perturbed when I see potential revisionist history.

And nothing I said was even remotely racist, though I'm sure some today consider stating inconvenient truths to be racism. :)

Is it what you stated or how you stated it?:whiste:
 

runzwithsizorz

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"Will Obama now work with Republicans?"

One can say that that's what he's being trying to do for the last six years. If there was any give in the game of give and take since Obama took office, it's come from the Dem side of the aisle.

I literally got frustrated and pissed every time Obama and Reid gave in to Repub demands during Obama's first term while the Repubs kept up their clearly stated single-minded effort to get rid of Obama after his first term and gave back absolutely nothing in return. Repeat - NOTHING in return. Mission accomplished.

Apparently, Obama and the Dems decided to play the same game the Repubs were hammering him with during Obama's second go-around, and then the Repubs did a very good job of excoriating Obama and the Dems for doing exactly what was OK for the Repubs to be doing for the last six years.

Smart politicking IMO.

Obama has vetoed 356 bills that the House has passed. About two-thirds of them passed with a veto-proof two-thirds vote. This is a telling indication of who the Democrat Party really is. They don’t want a voting record to run on. If they had one, Americans might know who they really were. So the only bills that come up for a vote are widely popular or uncontroversial issues.
 

Knowing

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Your links do nothing to support your contention that the filibuster was part of the deliberate design of our government. This is particularly funny considering the only statement about parliamentary procedure in the constitution is to say that each chamber has the ability to make its own rules, and establishing what majorities are needed to pass things. That's it. Maybe if you'd attended a few civics classes you would know that.

My links support my belief that the filibuster was adopted as part of the parliamentary procedures we inherited from the British. My assertion was that our government was "designed" to "grind to a halt" when it becomes dysfunctional. Still I'm wondering why you allegedly bothered to read so much when you don't care.

Quick question: why do we care what the founders envisioned? They've been dead for several centuries.

Apparently according to you they laid out the requirements for consent, but they also meant to secretly include additional supermajority requirements that they just didn't feel like bringing up.

If you'd like to have yourself debate your own puppet then be my guest.

QUOTE=eskimospy;36875535]I shouldn't have to point out to you how bad an argument it is to say that everything not deliberately prohibited is thereby positively endorsed.[/quote]

Where have I seen this sort of language before?

Oh! That's right:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

I'm sure you're about to attempt to school me on how there's a difference between citizens and the rights that are never invoked on their behalf and the senate rules which are apparently unnecessarily arbitrary in that they totes didn't want the filibuster which was foisted on them by the time traveling Koch brothers. I'm so certain that your extensive reading of the US constitution you managed to make it through the very first article to at least the second clause of the 5th section where it clearly reads:

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member."

So again, I'm wondering where the evidence is that the filibuster was shoehorned in there like the pesky comma in the 2nd amendment when the Constitution specifically describes the determination of the parliamentary procedures (including quorum and the filibuster).

The senate adopted rules from the British parliament, if the filibuster was so offensive to them certainly you could find evidence that they didn't want it. Perhaps you should start with debates about cloture and why they had debates about cloture instead of debates about getting rid of "talking bills to death" which has history going back to the Roman republic.

Regardless, considering the voluminous writings of the founders in and around the constitution, surely you can find some mention and endorsement of the filibuster as an intended element of US governance. When can I expect this? I'm willing to give you as much time as you need as I'm sure there are so many mentions that it will take time to sort through.

Incredible moving goalposts. Still no mention of how this unfortunate oversight managed to survive for 2000 years of world governance or more than 200 years of US governance without being removed, or why the founders didn't specifically exclude it when granting the Congress the authority to determine their rules. This is very odd considering that they had the foresight to specifically enumerate the powers of congress (but seriously, the only important ones are interstate commerce and the welfare clause because they can be used to justify anything.)

Have you found Ms. Cox's speechwriting credentials yet? Take all the time you need.
 
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Obama has vetoed 356 bills that the House has passed. About two-thirds of them passed with a veto-proof two-thirds vote. This is a telling indication of who the Democrat Party really is. They don’t want a voting record to run on. If they had one, Americans might know who they really were. So the only bills that come up for a vote are widely popular or uncontroversial issues.
I think this is wrong. Wikipedia shows only 2 vetoes by Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes
 

runzwithsizorz

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I think this is wrong. Wikipedia shows only 2 vetoes by Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

Well, yeah you sussed me out:p. It was Harry Reid not even allowing the Senate to debate or vote on these bills. AKA pocket vetos. But, if you believe
Reid, Pelosi, Holder, Lerner, a couple on the SCOTUS, the EPA, FAA, FCC, NASA, DOD, the patent office, etal, DON'T receive their marching orders from you know who, you are sadly nieve.
The buck stops, /\----\/----<---->
 

hal2kilo

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Obama has vetoed 356 bills that the House has passed. About two-thirds of them passed with a veto-proof two-thirds vote. This is a telling indication of who the Democrat Party really is. They don’t want a voting record to run on. If they had one, Americans might know who they really were. So the only bills that come up for a vote are widely popular or uncontroversial issues.

Where the hell did you get that number? I think you are confused, must be the number of bills that died in the Senate.
 

fskimospy

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My links support my belief that the filibuster was adopted as part of the parliamentary procedures we inherited from the British. My assertion was that our government was "designed" to "grind to a halt" when it becomes dysfunctional. Still I'm wondering why you allegedly bothered to read so much when you don't care.

It's telling how much you're trying to dance here. You're reduced to linking to articles about Rome because you have no evidence for the filibuster being part of the US government.

If you'd like to have yourself debate your own puppet then be my guest.

Baffling non-sequitur, although that's kind of funny in that it appears you didn't understand the other thread either.

We shouldn't care what the founders thought for how we run our government today.

When you say something was designed with a specific feature, we should obviously care what the designers thought when they were making it to determine if that is true.

This is not complicated.

Where have I seen this sort of language before?

Oh! That's right:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Lol. Saying that rights not mentioned are not denied is a vastly different statement than things not mentioned are affirmatively endorsed. By your logic the 9th amendment grants an affirmative right to furry porn and literally everything else on the planet.

This has gone beyond an ignorance of civics and the constitution and moved into some basic logical thinking issues. I'm open to assist with those as well.

I'm sure you're about to attempt to school me on how there's a difference between citizens and the rights that are never invoked on their behalf and the senate rules which are apparently unnecessarily arbitrary in that they totes didn't want the filibuster which was foisted on them by the time traveling Koch brothers. I'm so certain that your extensive reading of the US constitution you managed to make it through the very first article to at least the second clause of the 5th section where it clearly reads:

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member."

So again, I'm wondering where the evidence is that the filibuster was shoehorned in there like the pesky comma in the 2nd amendment when the Constitution specifically describes the determination of the parliamentary procedures (including quorum and the filibuster).

You are supporting my argument. There is no mention of the filibuster anywhere. There are explicitly listed supermajority requirements for other things listed. The idea that they had other supermajorities in mind but totes didn't feel like listing them is a pretty pathetic argument. Maybe you think George Soros snuck in and erased that part?

The senate adopted rules from the British parliament, if the filibuster was so offensive to them certainly you could find evidence that they didn't want it. Perhaps you should start with debates about cloture and why they had debates about cloture instead of debates about getting rid of "talking bills to death" which has history going back to the Roman republic.

Ah yes, you've returned to your central argument that everything they didn't explicitly ban is somehow part of their design. As mentioned before, that's an exceptionally dumb argument.

Incredible moving goalposts. Still no mention of how this unfortunate oversight managed to survive for 2000 years of world governance or more than 200 years of US governance without being removed, or why the founders didn't specifically exclude it when granting the Congress the authority to determine their rules. This is very odd considering that they had the foresight to specifically enumerate the powers of congress (but seriously, the only important ones are interstate commerce and the welfare clause because they can be used to justify anything.)

Have you found Ms. Cox's speechwriting credentials yet? Take all the time you need.

It's funny that you believe asking for literally any evidence to support your position is 'moving the goalposts'. Then again, it's become abundantly clear that you can't, otherwise you wouldn't be flailing like this.

I'll ask one more time and then just assume that you are incapable of answering this extremely simple question:

If the constitution was deliberately designed to include the filibuster as a part of senate procedure, please provide a single, solitary quote from any of the individuals involved in designing our government that says that.

Just one.

As an alternative you could say "ok, I didn't know what I was talking about". Just a thought.
 

bshole

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Obama had Reid running interference :thumbsdown:

Protected him from public ridicule for 6 years.

So that makes up for RunWithSiccors lying through his ass and accusing Obama of vetoing hundreds of bills? Is that some kind of weird conservative logic?
 
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So that makes up for RunWithSiccors lying through his ass and accusing Obama of vetoing hundreds of bills? Is that some kind of weird conservative logic?
He was obviously referring to the bills on Reid's desk where there was no intention of bringing them up for vote in the Senate. This isn't hard to figure out. A vast majority were bipartisan and would have likely passed the Senate. Reid essentially protected Obama from having to veto them.
 
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fskimospy

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He was obviously referring to the bills on Reid's desk where there was no intention of bringing them up for vote in the Senate. This isn't hard to figure out. A vast majority were bipartisan and would have likely passed the Senate. Reid essentially protected Obama from having to veto them.

The vast majority were not bioartisan, at least not when you're talking about bills that weren't about renaming a post office ir whatever.

Additionally, Reid not bringing those bills to a vote had absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Reid was protecting fellow senators from having to take problematic votes, not protecting Obama. (Obama doesn't need protection, he's not up for re-election)
 

ivwshane

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He was obviously referring to the bills on Reid's desk where there was no intention of bringing them up for vote in the Senate. This isn't hard to figure out. A vast majority were bipartisan and would have likely passed the Senate. Reid essentially protected Obama from having to veto them.

Lol! Protected the president from what? Not getting elected for a third time?

Reid didn't bring the bills up to protect his fellow democrats in the senate, it is after all an election year for them.