If you buy two systems that are so incredibly similar instead of buying something radically different as your second system, you need to have a dunce cap permanently affixed to your pointy head.
If you buy two systems that are so incredibly similar instead of buying something radically different as your second system, you need to have a dunce cap permanently affixed to your pointy head.
Nintendo has said the Wii is 2-3x the Gamecube. Given how optimistic corporate PR always is, I'm going with 2x. The leaked specs line up with that assumption as well.
Wiimote = Radically different? No more so than Halo 3 and MGS 4 are going to be "radically different".
Did you miss the part where that's what Nintendo said? I might even be giving them more than they deserve. If Nintendo's 2-3x is anything like whenever Apple claims 2-3x, it's really more like 1.5x...
There are other factors as well. Everyone knows console graphics get a lot better as time goes on. This will be especially true with the 360/PS3 as launch times werevery close to when development kits were distributed and the architectures were both brand new. On the other hand, Wii is so similar to Gamecube, developers used Gamecubes as their dev kits. Wii won't have nearly as much upside as it's more or less an accelerated GCN.
I have to go but I'll be saving this thread. In three to four years, either the Wiimote will be truly revolutionary, or gamers and developers will be abandoning the Wii for the 360/PS3 where they have much more power for gameplay, AI, not to mention whatever artistic vision they have.
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: KillerAngel
See, now we all know you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
i noticed that a while ago which is why i stopped responding to his posts.
Yes, I suppose you're right. Do you think they make dunce caps in troll sizes?
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Something else to chew on too. The Gamecube was the most powerful of the last generation. But the main thing I think is how the Wii will look in comparison to the effects that you get with the 360 or PS3. The 360 wants to do 720p, the PS3 1080p, while the Wii is 480p. Given its resolution constraints, the Wii does not need to be as powerful as the others to pull off some of the same effects. I wonder if the greatest difference is going to be mainly the resolution and not the graphical effects or physics.
There really needs to be an approach taken for consoles to follow the lead of online PC gaming. People who want servers can pay for them if they wish. People who want team chat can have it with programs such as teamspeak or ventrillo (Nintendo is going to be using an Opera browser...), and provide servers for such programs.
Heck, even intimate integration of the two would be acceptable - hosting voice coms on a PC but downloading a program to and connecting to that server from your console...
Many gamers just want to be able to simply play the game, which shouldn?t cost anything extra if you?re already paying for internet access. All the other crap should not be forced upon you; it should be left for those who really want it to provide it. It works more than fine for PC. The monthly fee games you cannot compare because they simply require resources that users are simply incapable of providing on their own (unless someone decided to make some MMO game that somehow ran off of distributed computing)
Heck, even intimate integration of the two would be acceptable - hosting voice coms on a PC but downloading a program to and connecting to that server from your console...
Many gamers just want to be able to simply play the game, which shouldn?t cost anything extra if you?re already paying for internet access. All the other crap should not be forced upon you; it should be left for those who really want it to provide it. It works more than fine for PC. The monthly fee games you cannot compare because they simply require resources that users are simply incapable of providing on their own (unless someone decided to make some MMO game that somehow ran off of distributed computing)
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"It's just another way to tell the game what you want it to do."
Yes, you're right, it is. But the old way of telling the game what you want it to do is by pushing buttons have have no connection to reality. The new way of telling the game what you want it to do is by mimicing the real-world actions you are trying to perform. I think that has the potential to be SLIGHTLY better than the old way. Sony seems to think it's worthwhile too.
Considering that a significant majority of American still do not have HDTV, I'm not sure how much most people will benefit from the PS3's graphics.
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nintendo's corporate PR is rather conservative, actually. nintendo claimed that the gamecube was only 2x to 4x more powerful than the N64. and look at how much better those games were. if it were sony or MS making those claims it would have been an order of magnitude larger advantage.
and, iirc, it was developers who'd gotten their hands on dev kits making an estimate.
iirc, it supports ED resolutions.
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what the hell are you talking about?
first, you skipped a generation of computer game in there (the quake3 gen)
second, nintendo did produce a console that they claimed was 2x to 4x more powerful than the previous gen. they said the GC was only that much more powerful than the N64. and look at just how much the GC games look compared to the N64.
thirdly, nintendo learned a lesson with the N64. the N64 was a bitch to program. that was all cured in the GC. $ony and micro$oft may not have learned that lesson so well (particularly $ony, no one knows how to code for cell at the moment). so, N has decided that the way to get good looking games is to make the power accessible to developers. 3 identical processors probably isn't too difficult to program for, but who knows. the PS3, on the other hand, is probably proper fvcked.
N's approach is to put proper sized tires on a 300 hp car, while sony appears to be trying to put 500 hp through tiny little 60,000 mile radials. not sure how MS is doing.
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Yep. Few people realize how powerful GC graphics really are. When used to their full potential, the graphics DO compete with xbox graphics. I still don't get how you can say "my graphics are 2x more powerful than yours", though... how do you quantify visual appeal? Bleh.
In any case, from the SSBB preview at E3, it looks like Wii graphics are pretty nice (though Red Steel was a bit lacking, as it stretched the boundaries a bit).
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