WIC program in jeopardy after shutdown

[Zaap]

By the way, myself personally, I have no problem with reasonable and logical programs that would help citizens that *truly* need help, and that was run by a financially responsible government in an efficient and effective way, along with everything else it was charged with.

The problem is, almost nothing of my above criteria describes the federal leviathan that's so exactly the opposite of that, here were are talking about how they have to use shutdown extortion tactics.

Let's see: reasonable, nope. Logical. nope. Only help US citizens and not anyone who just wanders in and wants freebies. Nope. Financially responsible HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Efficient, effective, etc. etc. nope. nope. nope. nada.

So I guess I'm really sorry some poor people have to be victims of such a shitty entity as the federal governement, but don't blame me. It wouldn't run that way if I had any say in the matter.

It'd be as ridiculous to expect to get screwed out of money you legitimately should have by any government I'd be in favor of, as it is to expect your boss to say to you "You know, I'm pulling a dramatic stunt on our shareholders to get more money from them, so I'm not paying you what I owe you this week."

So don't look at me. I don't worship those assholes in D.C. nor do I expect them to run anything effectively, including feed starving kids or whatever else they're putting everyone into debt pretending to do.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Wasting your typing.

Agree. Cause in the end we'll just keep paying people to stay at home and smoke dope all day because it's a lot easier to do that than actually get a job. That is until we have more people that do that instead of actually work and the economy is near a complete collapse... Like that could ever happen though. Right?:sneaky:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Good.

WIC is by intent a program designed to give support to people who don't deserve any.

If you can't feed yourself maybe you shouldn't be having children?

holy fuck, you are truly a pathetic excuse for a human being. you sick little goat fucker.

 

[yllus]

You can tell many in here have not traveled to countries that do not have welfare. Funny how people in those countries choose not to have children they can't afford to feed.

Only in American can you be rewarded for bad life choices.

Sorry dude, you're wrong on this one. The poor tend to have children that they can't afford because even without welfare, there's an incentive to bring up young people that are taught to take care of their elders. In an insurance-less mess like India or Pakistan, it's the best insurance that people have against starving to death in their old age.

Like everyone else, I don't like the incentive (or lack of disincentive?) that having children while on welfare represents, but it's also not as bad as we make it out to be. Welfare is terrible; practically nobody wants to stay on it or make their situation worse.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Can anyone point me to the food pyramid that has steak, sugary drinks, and microwave dinners on it?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

UNICEF places the number of street children globally at a minimum of tens of millions with an upward limit of about 100 million. Regardless of whether or not they are explicitly homeless, they are individuals who are forced to beg on the streets, steal, or worse in order to feed themselves. Clearly their parents cannot afford them on their own.

Regardless, most of the countries with the lowest fertility rates are the ones with the best developed welfare states. While I haven't seen a particularly robust analysis of the relationship between welfare generosity and birth rate, the initial evidence certainly doesn't look good for your hypothesis.

Would UNICEF get funding if they didn't report such findings? I would say the funding would be diminished. I've worked worldwide for 20 plus years in cities as well as remote areas and never saw these packs of homeless kids. Though I did see kids who played during the day get prepared by the mother for the evening (put on their worse holy clothes, sprinkled with water, and roll in the dirt) in preparation to hit the street where foreign tourist were known to be eating and drinking.

Is it funny because it's completely untrue? Come to think of it, I don't know if I've ever heard someone be more wrong about a fact than the idiocy of the statement that people in countries without welfare have fewer children because of it. Considering either fertility rate or birth rate, the lists are dominated by poor African, Central and South American and Middle Eastern countries, third-world nations that aren't known for having an abundance of welfare. The countries that have the highest social welfare per GDP also happen to have lower than average birth rates (the Nordic countries and the USA).

So, yeah, that's pretty funny.

Sorry but from my observations in poor countries, people don't have children they can't afford to eat. So what is your real world travel experience?

 

[Smoblikat]

Right. Punish the children for the sins of the parent. Every God fearing Jew knows this.

Noone is punishing the children but the parents who irresponsibly conceived them without the means to support them.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'd be all for letting them have flour, milk, eggs, etc.. You could even bring in your children for daycare while you go out and work cleaning up the parks, court house, etc. to pay for your goods. If you are unable to work physically there will be phone positions to man for the offices. There is always option B which involves getting a job and making your own way. But maybe that's too cruel for some here? I mean the thought of people working for their own.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Sorry but from my observations in poor countries, people don't have children they can't afford to eat. So what is your real world travel experience?

My international travel is fairly limited. In Jamaica, we weren't off-resort except for designated areas, so we were kept sheltered from a lot of the poverty that Jamaica is known for. In Ecuador, we stayed in a "not particularly nice" part of town and there were lots of poor kids running around trying to sell us souvenirs and gum. So in my limited experience, 50% of impoverished countries without significant expenditures on social welfare programs have a problem with people having children they can't afford.

But why are we arguing anecdotal evidence? We have actual known values for which countries have the highest birth rates and fertility rates, and every single one of them is a third world country with non-existent welfare options. Niger, Mali, Somalia, Afghanistan, Chad, Burkina Faso... These aren't exactly havens of welfare spending, but damned if the people there don't have the highest birth rates in the world. And, hey, wouldn't you know it, they have the highest infant mortality rates too. That's a shining example to set for ourselves of how to be more responsible, right? Or is your contention that these people are killing their own living children in the name of social responsibility?

The statistics say that you were literally backwards in your contention that people in poor countries don't have children they can't afford. But let's not worry about that because you've seen some responsible families during your travels abroad. I just have to ask, where on Earth are you coming up with the contention that poor people in other countries avoid having children they can't afford?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Curious, how much do we spend on foreign aid a year compared to WIC program a year.

 

[Engineer]

Agree. Cause in the end we'll just keep paying people to stay at home and smoke dope all day because it's a lot easier to do that than actually get a job. That is until we have more people that do that instead of actually work and the economy is near a complete collapse... Like that could ever happen though. Right?:sneaky:

It won't be because of WIC, it will be because we are shipping the good paying jobs out of the country and replacing them with the great 'service' economy (and I don't mean Microsoft programmer service either - although I consider a computer program more of a 'product' than a service but that's another thread).

 

[fskimospy]

Would UNICEF get funding if they didn't report such findings? I would say the funding would be diminished. I've worked worldwide for 20 plus years in cities as well as remote areas and never saw these packs of homeless kids. Though I did see kids who played during the day get prepared by the mother for the evening (put on their worse holy clothes, sprinkled with water, and roll in the dirt) in preparation to hit the street where foreign tourist were known to be eating and drinking.

The argument that UNICEF is inventing a worldwide epidemic of street children to justify increased funding.... strains credulity.

Sorry but from my observations in poor countries, people don't have children they can't afford to eat. So what is your real world travel experience?

I've been all over the world both inside and outside of the military. (more of it outside, actually) Additionally, we have empirical data that suggests there is not a connection between welfare state generosity and fertility, if anything there is a negative correlation.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Sorry but from my observations in poor countries, people don't have children they can't afford to eat. So what is your real world travel experience?

So, you're saying that people in third world countries are cannibals? :awe:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So, you're saying that people in third world countries are cannibals? :awe:

I have worked in some areas where they were headhunter tribes. We were told that they no longer practiced headhunting though there were young girls (8-12) that would go missing from time to time.

We used to joke about being careful not to piss off the contractors and never ever accept an invitation to a Dayak lunch.

In Tanzania you had to worry about being left in an area known to have lions, hyenas, baboons, or crocodiles.

 

[nehalem256]

My father abandoned me (7), my mother, brother (2) and sister (5) in 1963 in inner city LA. My mother wasn't given a choice. She did everything she could to take care of us but we still went hungry at times, lost our electricity, lost heat during Winters after we moved to the Midwest to get some semblance of help from relatives, among many other physical and mental things that likely extend well beyond your ability to imagine.

If it wasn't for federal assistance, there is little doubt that us 3 kids would have ended up as wards of the State at a cost far exceeding what little human sustenance we received from the government. I find your lack of compassion towards women and children to be almost subhuman. I can't imagine what happened to you to cause one to form such a twisted world view...but I will say this...I genuinely do hope a day comes where you figure it out and become a better person for it. Life is short.

Gee I wonder if anything has changed since 1960?

:hmm:

Also you appeared to miss:

I am sure you can cherry-pick some people that you could reasonably argue do deserve support. But I am sure the vast majority are in a bad situation due to their own predictably bad choices.

Also, 2/3 children in your family would be ineligible for WIC. Which really goes to showing how WIC is poor program in terms of helping people that deserve help.

 

[Hugo Drax]

A lot of these Government Aid programs do penalize married couples. So the incentive is to have children out of wedlock or you get no aid period.

Look at this documentary, a real eye opener.

http://www.pruitt-igoe.com

For example in order to stay in Pruitt Igoe, the father was not allowed to be there. They actually had officers check closets etc.. to make sure the Father was not hiding in the home.

 

[Jaskalas]

Uhmmm, I've been to lots of countries that don't have welfare. In many of them I was followed by packs of homeless children. Sometimes I would see tourists throwing money in the street to watch the kids beat the hell out of each other for what amounted to dimes or less.

Not sure what countries you're thinking of.

He's clearly not thinking of any random nation in Africa, which we are quickly becoming.

 

[brycejones]

I know what I said.

So let's quote the record here:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldgamer
I disagree and agree..

Rape is not about sex..its about hurting someone, its about causing pain and humiliation to someone, exerting power over that person.

So basically its no different than beating a guy up.

Care to respond now?

 

[werepossum]

If you're a baby and you want to survive, don't have a mother that is irresponsible and lacks good income. It's really that simple.

LOL +1

Babies - they're such children.

 

[shadow9d9]

The people who need the government food benefits are the same people who need the Obamacare insurance discounts, though.

It's pretty obvious that the Republicans weren't going to get any votes from these people anyway.

You do realize that the poorest states in the country are republican, right?

 

[shadow9d9]

Sorry I don't feel sorry for those that have children they can't provide for while they expect me and other hard working folks to pick up the tab. I'm out busting my hump to make bills meet. They can too. I have a felony conviction on my record. 80% of the jobs I could get are already an automatic no before they even look over my resume. Does that mean since it's hard for me to find a job I should just sit at home and expect others to provide for me and mine? Better yet how about you donate me some money since I have it so hard?

You pay more in taxes to support 1 day of our military than one year of feeding our own people. STFU.

 

[waggy]

WIC is one program i like.

A) have to have a child
b) only can be on program a set time.
c) they actually LIMIT how much you can get and what you can get.

 

[brianmanahan]

Good.

WIC is by intent a program designed to give support to people who don't deserve any.

If you can't feed yourself maybe you shouldn't be having children?

false

my dad got fired and couldnt find a job for a while and lost most everything 20 years ago

and with WIC we could at least eat food for a few months

 

[HomerJS]

Good.

WIC is by intent a program designed to give support to people who don't deserve any.

If you can't feed yourself maybe you shouldn't be having children?

Perhaps if you already have children and lose you job just kill them.

 

[nehalem256]

So let's quote the record here:

Care to respond now?

Rape is not about sex..its about hurting someone, its about causing pain and humiliation to someone, exerting power over that person.

So basically its no different than beating a guy up. Which would explain why in many of the "India has a rape problem" cases we see that there is a guy who is also assaulted.

Notice how you cut off 1/2 my response?

Rape like assaulting someone is not about by sex, but exercising power over someone. Which is why men are assaulted in many cases in India too; only their plight is not international news for some reason. Not sure what you are having problems understanding.

Also note the lack of the word "punch", which you were pretty sure was in the quote. Notice also punch was in the quotes I gave earlier.