WIC program in jeopardy after shutdown

[brycejones]

I can't believe you guys keep allowing yourselves to be trolled by someone who doesn't see rape as a big deal. Just put her on ignore and move on.

 

[brycejones]

I'm sick of these deadbeat infants refusing to take responsibility. Oh, you're hungry? Get a job, baby.

If you feed'm young they are on the dole for life. If they aren't willing to step up and take responsibility then they should just starve. Time to start starving the welfare state literally.

 

[Brainonska511]

You'd fit right in in a Dickens novella

"At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge, ... it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons?"

"Plenty of prisons..."

"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

"Both very busy, sir..."

"Those who are badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die.""If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

 

[dainthomas]

Actually they are going hungry because millions of women choose to have children they couldn't feed.

Then they want to extort money from others to pay for their choices.

I believe this kind of logic was called terrorism in the shutdown thread.

Next Republican talking point: They're actually protecting us from terrorist babies.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You can tell many in here have not traveled to countries that do not have welfare. Funny how people in those countries choose not to have children they can't afford to feed.

Only in American can you be rewarded for bad life choices.

 

[fskimospy]

You can tell many in here have not traveled to countries that do not have welfare. Funny how people in those countries choose not to have children they can't afford to feed.

Only in American can you be rewarded for bad life choices.

Uhmmm, I've been to lots of countries that don't have welfare. In many of them I was followed by packs of homeless children. Sometimes I would see tourists throwing money in the street to watch the kids beat the hell out of each other for what amounted to dimes or less.

Not sure what countries you're thinking of.

 

[nehalem256]

I can't believe you guys keep allowing yourselves to be trolled by someone who doesn't see rape as a big deal. Just put her on ignore and move on.

I never said that. I said that if you follow liberal sexual logic where there is nothing wrong with screwing someone you met in a bar 10 minutes ago, that seeing rape as some kind of unspeakable evil more on par with murder than say being slapped, is absurd.

Of course given that I put the blatant hypocrisy of liberal sexual morality on full display it is no wonder that you have to misunderstand what I said.

Next Republican talking point: They're actually protecting us from terrorist babies.

You misunderstand. The women are the terrorists. The babies are the hostages. Not sure what is so hard to understand there.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You can tell many in here have not traveled to countries that do not have welfare. Funny how people in those countries choose not to have children they can't afford to feed.

Only in American can you be rewarded for bad life choices.

What about the ones who had children and left after a relationship became abusive. Or husband cheated on her. None of them are probably in a situation like that amiright?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Uhmmm, I've been to lots of countries that don't have welfare. In many of them I was followed by packs of homeless children. Sometimes I would see tourists throwing money in the street to watch the kids beat the hell out of each other for what amounted to dimes or less.

Not sure what countries you're thinking of.

You actually believe they're homeless children and not children taught by their parents that Americans, specially sailors who would most likely give them money if they hounded them or looked in a bad way.

There are millions of American fleeced daily by the commercials showing poor crying children.

 

[Vdubchaos]

No it isn't. It just rewards people for being lazy.

Texas is right.

You are talking about small percentage of people that take advantage of the system.

There is PLENTY in GREAT need.

Nothing to do with "lack of planning". it can be as simple as bad luck (lost job) or bad health.

You can't apply 1 situation to ALL. Human kind is WAY more complex than that.

 

[nehalem256]

What about the ones who had children and left after a relationship became abusive.

So we are to believe that the father was a completely stand up guy and then BAM as soon as the child was born he turned into an abusive monster?

Or husband cheated on her. None of them are probably in a situation like that amiright?

You want to place bets on whether greater than or less than 50% of the people on WIC were married when their child was born?

 

[dainthomas]

You misunderstand. The women are the terrorists. The babies are the hostages. Not sure what is so hard to understand there.

Oh no, I understand clearly. The babies must go hungry to punish the mothers. Or are you suggesting the government liberate the hostage babies from their mothers? That would be some hilarious irony.

Go to Tijuana some time. Before you get ten steps across the border, you'll definitely NOT be swarmed by small children selling Chicklets because their would-be mothers knew to practice responsible birth control since they couldn't afford kids without a social safety net.

 

[EagleKeeper]

WIC is intended to support the poor life choices of women. It is nothing short of extortion. A tactic I believe was called terrorism in the government shutdown thread.

Why should I care about families I am definitionaly excluded from?



I am not the one CHOOSING to have a child I cannot support. The woman choosing to have a child without a male provider is the one desiring to penalize her own children.

And what happens if she had a provider?

Still penalize the children and her?

You do realize that most of the food for WIC is surplus

 

[nehalem256]

Oh no, I understand clearly. The babies must go hungry to punish the mothers. Or are you suggesting the government liberate the hostage babies from their mothers? That would be some hilarious irony.

Go to Tijuana some time. Before you get ten steps across the border, you'll definitely NOT be swarmed by small children selling Chicklets because their would-be mothers knew to practice responsible birth control since they couldn't afford kids without a social safety net.

So is your contention that women are too stupid to make responsible choices? Or too selfish?

Also note that South Korea doesn't have a problem with manless women having children:

In 2007, 7,774 babies were born out of wedlock in South Korea, 1.6 percent of all births. (In the United States, nearly 40 percent of babies born in 2007 had unmarried mothers, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.) Nearly 96 percent of unwed pregnant women in South Korea choose abortion, according to the Ministry for Health, Welfare and Family Affairs.

Of unmarried women who give birth, about 70 percent are believed to give up their babies for adoption, according to a government-financed survey. In the United States, the figure is 1 percent, the Health and Human Services Department reports.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/world/asia/08mothers.html

Seems like a modern 1st world country has solved the problem :thumbsup:

 

[Texashiker]

So we are to believe that the father was a completely stand up guy and then BAM as soon as the child was born he turned into an abusive monster?

It is not a matter of being an abusive husband, people lose jobs, people are killed on jobs, people die,,,,.

Either you are trolling or you have no life experience.

 

[nehalem256]

And what happens if she had a provider?

Still penalize the children and her?

You do realize that most of the food for WIC is surplus

You mean like if her husband was working on an oil platform and fell of and died?

Luckily Social Security Survivor benefits already cover that

http://www.ssa.gov/survivorplan/ifyou5.htm

 

[nehalem256]

It is not a matter of being an abusive husband, people lose jobs, people are killed on jobs, people die,,,,.

Either you are trolling or you have no life experience.

Those are already covered by Social Security survivor benefits.

It seems like you could attach some kind of "food for small kids" program onto unemployment benefits if that was your concern.

 

[fskimospy]

You actually believe they're homeless children and not children taught by their parents that Americans, specially sailors who would most likely give them money if they hounded them or looked in a bad way.

There are millions of American fleeced daily by the commercials showing poor crying children.

UNICEF places the number of street children globally at a minimum of tens of millions with an upward limit of about 100 million. Regardless of whether or not they are explicitly homeless, they are individuals who are forced to beg on the streets, steal, or worse in order to feed themselves. Clearly their parents cannot afford them on their own.

Regardless, most of the countries with the lowest fertility rates are the ones with the best developed welfare states. While I haven't seen a particularly robust analysis of the relationship between welfare generosity and birth rate, the initial evidence certainly doesn't look good for your hypothesis.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You can tell many in here have not traveled to countries that do not have welfare. Funny how people in those countries choose not to have children they can't afford to feed.

Is it funny because it's completely untrue? Come to think of it, I don't know if I've ever heard someone be more wrong about a fact than the idiocy of the statement that people in countries without welfare have fewer children because of it. Considering either fertility rate or birth rate, the lists are dominated by poor African, Central and South American and Middle Eastern countries, third-world nations that aren't known for having an abundance of welfare. The countries that have the highest social welfare per GDP also happen to have lower than average birth rates (the Nordic countries and the USA).

So, yeah, that's pretty funny.

 

[dainthomas]

So is your contention that women are too stupid to make responsible choices? Or too selfish?

I made no comment on their choices, only that their children shouldn't be punished for them. It benefits society to make sure every baby receives proper nutrition. It's a scientific fact that malnurished children are prone to a host of physical and mental issues that persist into adulthood. Providing basic staples for poor children seems far cheaper than tens of thousands of dollars in potential care or lost productivity later in life.

 

[nehalem256]

I made no comment on their choices, only that their children shouldn't be punished for them. It benefits society to make sure every baby receives proper nutrition. It's a scientific fact that malnurished children are prone to a host of physical and mental issues that persist into adulthood. Providing basic staples for poor children seems far cheaper than tens of thousands of dollars in potential care or lost productivity later in life.

And instead we should punish the American taxpayer.

For someone who appears to have such an issue with starving children you seem awfully willing to let the people actually responsible for the children starve walk away without consequence.

 

[Engineer]

I made no comment on their choices, only that their children shouldn't be punished for them. It benefits society to make sure every baby receives proper nutrition. It's a scientific fact that malnurished children are prone to a host of physical and mental issues that persist into adulthood. Providing basic staples for poor children seems far cheaper than tens of thousands of dollars in potential care or lost productivity later in life.

You're wasting your time with that one.

 

[Texashiker]

As a world leader we should be able to ensure the nutritional requirements of our children.

Closing the WIC program is not only an embarrassment to this nation, but to humanity as a whole.

 

[Engineer]

In 1993, my wife and I made a total of $15,000 and had a child (wife working full time other than maternity and I was working part time while attending engineering school). We were denied WIC - UNLESS my wife took time off from work to take nutrition and parenting classes?!?! WTF!

Would have lost more money than we would have gained.

 

[Moonbeam]

Good.

WIC is by intent a program designed to give support to people who don't deserve any.

If you can't feed yourself maybe you shouldn't be having children?

The sad thing about people like you who focus on the deservedness of other people is that you don't see you are actually responding to your own fear of how worthless you were made to feel. This is the definition of mental illness and what makes it a shame is that to seek help you would already almost have to be well. You would have to see that the reason you hate the weakness of others is because you hate having to become aware that that's exactly how you really feel, and that's about the last thing on earth you would want to do. It usually takes winding up in the gutter before that realization becomes more palatable. Hope you don't need that kind of clarity of vision.