Why the left hates Trump so intensely

[Atreus21]

I think it's just the result of such a stinging defeat.

Defeat is easier to handle when you're mentally prepared for it as a possibility, and leftists certainly were not. Compounding this they shot their mouths off not only about the certainty of a Hillary presidency, but that the very idea of Trump running, let alone winning, was ridiculous. It's all over YouTube. They were as certain of Hillary as of the sun coming up. Age-old wisdom, namely not counting chickens before they hatch, appears to be lost on these people.

To lose so spectacularly, one should expect an angry reaction. Particularly to a person like Trump.

 

[bshole]

I think it's just the result of such a stinging defeat.

Defeat is easier to handle when you're mentally prepared for it as a possibility, and leftists certainly were not. Compounding this they shot their mouths off not only about the certainty of a Hillary presidency, but that the very idea of Trump running, let alone winning, was ridiculous. It's all over YouTube. They were as certain of Hillary as of the sun coming up. Age-old wisdom, namely not counting chickens before they hatch, appears to be lost on these people.

To lose so spectacularly, one should expect an angry reaction. Particularly to a person like Trump.

It is refreshing to see fundamentalist Christians openly support a demonstrably immoral person. It shows what utter Pharisees they are..... literally the people Jesus despised the most.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump.

It's more like the Dem's underestimated how absurdly gullible the Con's base is.

 

[Atreus21]

It is refreshing to see fundamentalist Christians openly support a demonstrably immoral person. It shows what utter Pharisees they are..... literally the people Jesus despised the most.

First, I'm Catholic, not fundamentalist. Second, we had only "immoral" people to choose from. Third, as we are all sinners, we only ever have immoral people to choose from. Fourth, what do you actually know about why Christ despised the Pharisees?

That Trump was elected is as much an indictment of Democrats' insistence to support Hillary as it is Republicans to choose anyone but Hillary.

 

[ivwshane]

You dont believe she has flaws unless you view her in a flawed way?

She is absolutely a politician. Perhaps she is not great at engaging voters, but she is great at politics. To argue otherwise is confusing.

I listed her flaws, I just don't think they are flaws to me personally because I don't view a politician from a superficial viewpoint. That doesn't mean no one else does (most people do), so yes, they are flaws.

You guys seem to have a really hard time not creating straw man arguments. Can you point out to me where I said she wasn't good at politics? I said nothing about that. I said she wasn't a good politician, there is a difference.

 

[ivwshane]

lol So the first flawless Presidential candidate was defeated by freakin' Donald Trump. Yeah, that doesn't sound crazy at all.

Reading comprehension is hard.

 

[OrByte]

I hate Trump becoming president because of one simple thing:

gaslighting.

Him and his team has lied all the way to the white house.

 

[Lash444]

I think it's just the result of such a stinging defeat.

Defeat is easier to handle when you're mentally prepared for it as a possibility, and leftists certainly were not. Compounding this they shot their mouths off not only about the certainty of a Hillary presidency, but that the very idea of Trump running, let alone winning, was ridiculous. It's all over YouTube. They were as certain of Hillary as of the sun coming up. Age-old wisdom, namely not counting chickens before they hatch, appears to be lost on these people.

To lose so spectacularly, one should expect an angry reaction. Particularly to a person like Trump.

Only one problem with your hypothesis. How do you take into account the rest of the world telling you how badly you screwed the U.S. pooch by electing the man?

The rest of the world can see what you can't. You think the anger from the left comes from simple partisanship bickering. Being disgruntled because their pick wasn't chosen. The left hates Trump for the same reason that the rest of the world does.

Just like global warming, maybe you should look at the data rather than just casually dismissing all of the evidence?

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump.

In that, you bear greater responsibility for Trump than those who voted for Clinton.

It's more like the Dem's underestimated how absurdly gullible the Con's base is.

They've been rendered that way by social & economic stress (real & perceived) along with decades of insincerity by their leadership. They've been imbued with shitty attitudes & false beliefs about all kinds of stuff simply to induce them to vote for trickle down economics, the instrument of destruction in the top down class warfare waged by our financial elite.

The whole process is quite cruel & highly calculated.

 

[nageov3t]

it's definitely Trump, and it's because he's an asshole.

I didn't like GWB, but I at least always thought like he was a decent person and was doing what he thought was best for the country (even if I disagreed with what that is). I felt similarly about McCain and Romney and think that had they won their respective elections, would have done their best to govern for everyone in the country not just their base.

and then you have Trump, who wins one of the closest elections in American history, frames it as a landslide election in his favor, and then goes on a red state victory tour while picking out a Cabinet that's further to the right than anything GWB ever assembled.

say what you will about George Bush's presidency, but I don't ever remember him insulting the families of dead soldiers, POW's, or civil rights legends.

 

[Jhhnn]

First, I'm Catholic, not fundamentalist. Second, we had only "immoral" people to choose from. Third, as we are all sinners, we only ever have immoral people to choose from. Fourth, what do you actually know about why Christ despised the Pharisees?

That Trump was elected is as much an indictment of Democrats' insistence to support Hillary as it is Republicans to choose anyone but Hillary.

Amazing how you attempt to deny Repub responsibility for Trump even before he's inaugurated. Repub primary voters chose Trump, not Democrats. The Repub party worked hard to get him elected, as did the Russians.

We are all sinners? Of course. That doesn't counter the fact that a man who has led a privileged life of utter avarice, greed & impulsive self indulgence has been elected as our President.

WTF would lead anybody to believe that he can somehow be different than he's always been is beyond comprehension.

 

[ch33zw1z]

In that, you bear greater responsibility for Trump than those who voted for Clinton.

I don't live in a swing state. My states EC votes went to HRC.

Had I lived in a swing state, I would've voted for HRC..

 

[jayzds]

I hate Trump becoming president because of one simple thing:

gaslighting.

Him and his team has lied all the way to the white house.

Well I do agree he probably has...The Clinton's have been doing it since Bill was in office and she hasn't stopped and won't because it is all she knows.

 

[HomerJS]

I think it's just the result of such a stinging defeat.

Defeat is easier to handle when you're mentally prepared for it as a possibility, and leftists certainly were not. Compounding this they shot their mouths off not only about the certainty of a Hillary presidency, but that the very idea of Trump running, let alone winning, was ridiculous. It's all over YouTube. They were as certain of Hillary as of the sun coming up. Age-old wisdom, namely not counting chickens before they hatch, appears to be lost on these people.

To lose so spectacularly, one should expect an angry reaction. Particularly to a person like Trump.

The only thing spectacular about it is people elected a toddler to be the leader of the free world.

The electoral victory ranks in the bottom 10.

 

[Jhhnn]

I hate Trump becoming president because of one simple thing:

gaslighting.

Him and his team has lied all the way to the white house.

While that may have been the effect on hostile voting blocks, Trumpsters never once questioned their own sanity. They should have, obviously.

They may not even as Trump & the Repubs dismantle & cripple all the govt buffers between themselves & raw Capitalism.

 

[Fardringle]

My theory is that folks on the left hate Trump so much because he does not represent their particular variety of insanity so they are not able to continue pushing their own insanity on the country for the next several years. It's the same reason why many on the right hated Obama - his variety of insanity interfered with the insanity that they had enjoyed for several years with Bush.

Most politics involves a great deal of insanity and paranoia and very little logic and cooperation. If it involved the latter, we wouldn't have so many people who feel they need to riot or have "safe spaces" because their chosen lunatic didn't win (just using the most recent examples).

As evidence of the collective insanity of the political process: BOTH parties lie to their voters on a regular basis, but both sides (and their followers) adamantly swear that ONLY the other side does it...

 

[Atreus21]

Only one problem with your hypothesis. How do you take into account the rest of the world telling you how badly you screwed the U.S. pooch by electing the man?

Not the point. And the rest of the world can't predict the future.

The rest of the world can see what you can't. You think the anger from the left comes from simple partisanship bickering. Being disgruntled because their pick wasn't chosen. The left hates Trump for the same reason that the rest of the world does.

The rest of the world doesn't hate Trump. My argument is that leftists' anger is in part a psychological reaction to losing in such a fashion (absolute certainty of victory coupled with lots and lots of trash talking). Not wholly, of course. There is much to detest about Trump.

Just like global warming, maybe you should look at the data rather than just casually dismissing all of the evidence?

I don't casually dismiss evidence.

I have a hard time taking seriously the notion that liberals would've responded much better to a Ted Cruz presidency.

 

[OrByte]

Well I do agree he probably has...The Clinton's have been doing it since Bill was in office and she hasn't stopped and won't because it is all she knows.

"but the clintons did....."

diversion. She lost, get over it.

 

[fskimospy]

Not the point. And the rest of the world can't predict the future.

The rest of the world doesn't hate Trump. My argument is that leftists' anger is in part a psychological reaction to losing in such a fashion. Not wholly, of course. There is much to detest about Trump.

The rest of the world really, really does hate Trump. (except for maybe Russia, haha)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-gets-rock-bottom-ratings-in-international-survey/

I don't casually dismiss evidence.

I have a hard time taking seriously the notion that liberals would've responded much better to a Ted Cruz presidency, a Marco Rubio presidency, or a Jeb Bush presidency.

'responded much better' how? I would have been more concerned about bad policy under Ted Cruz/Rubio/Bush but much less concerned about having an emotionally unstable person in charge of our country, about corruption, or about basic incompetence. Had Mitt Romney won in 2012 I would not have liked it one bit but I never doubted for a second his ability to run the country. I have grave, grave doubts that Trump is competent or stable enough.

So yeah, liberals would definitely have been pissed off had they lost to someone else, but to say that things would have been no different makes Trump appear normal, and there is nothing normal about Trump in a presidential sense. I imagine the next 4 years (if he makes it that far) will be a constant exercise in reminding ourselves just how abnormal this guy is.

 

[OrByte]

While that may have been the effect on hostile voting blocks, Trumpsters never once questioned their own sanity. They should have, obviously.

They may not even as Trump & the Repubs dismantle & cripple all the govt buffers between themselves & raw Capitalism.

I'm a firm believer that no matter what Trump does to our schools, healthcare, civil rights, environment, his believers will continue to support him. And they will continue to counter objective-based reality with "Make America Great Again" and "Lock Her Up" and "Build that Wall" etc etc *puke*

There is no turning back from here. No amount of damage Trump can do will change anyone's mind that he is bad for the economy, for education, for globalization, for the environment, for civil rights.

If reality contradicts Trumps "accomplishments" he will just make up an alternate reality.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm a firm believer that no matter what Trump does to our schools, healthcare, civil rights, environment, his believers will continue to support him. And they will continue to counter objective-based reality with "Make America Great Again" and "Lock Her Up" and "Build that Wall" etc etc *puke*

There is no turning back from here. No amount of damage Trump can do will change anyone's mind that he is bad for the economy, for education, for globalization, for the environment, for civil rights.

If reality contradicts Trumps "accomplishments" he will just make up an alternate reality.

And I'm sure any improvements in these areas will be treated by your ilk in a similar fashion.

 

[Atreus21]

The rest of the world really, really does hate Trump. (except for maybe Russia, haha)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-gets-rock-bottom-ratings-in-international-survey/

And where does that stand since the election? That's not a challenge. I am curious.

'responded much better' how? I would have been more concerned about bad policy under Ted Cruz/Rubio/Bush but much less concerned about having an emotionally unstable person in charge of our country, about corruption, or about basic incompetence. Had Mitt Romney won in 2012 I would not have liked it one bit but I never doubted for a second his ability to run the country. I have grave, grave doubts that Trump is competent or stable enough.

Responded much better than pointless protests after the election, for example. I get the impression that opposition to Hillary, according to the left, could be ascribed to nothing other than sexism. Just as opposing Obama has endlessly been ascribed to simple racism. Within that context (viewing your opponents not as opponents but evil, malicious monsters), angry reactions such as those we have seen make sense.

So yeah, liberals would definitely have been pissed off had they lost to someone else, but to say that things would have been no different makes Trump appear normal, and there is nothing normal about Trump in a presidential sense. I imagine the next 4 years (if he makes it that far) will be a constant exercise in reminding ourselves just how abnormal this guy is.

It's too early to determine what Trump will do.

 

[OrByte]

And I'm sure any improvements with be treated by your ilk in a similar fashion.

actually I hope I'm really really wrong.

But looking how he is starting out (assault on media and the intelligence community) leads me to believe we are in trouble.

 

[OrByte]

It's too early to determine what Trump will do.

I HATE this argument. Along with the argument of "just give him a chance..."

Past is prologue my friend, all sorts of people (I'm not saying you specifically) were willing to CRUCIFY Hillary Clinton on all of these made up allegations of "pay for play" or lies or BHENGAZI or all the other made up sh!t from her PAST.

Yet people are so willing to give Trump a free pass on everything he has done in his past (ie pussy grabbing)

It is disgusting. Take off the team jerseys please!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

actually I hope I'm really really wrong.

But looking how he is starting out (assault on media and the intelligence community) leads me to believe we are in trouble.

Being the Pollyanna that I am...I plan to abstain from 'sky is falling' rhetoric until the sky actually starts falling.