Why the left hates Trump so intensely

[First]

The real coup with Trump is if he decides to implement the progressive policies he pimped (a big if given he's unpredictable of course) before and after the election, such as universal healthcare, gov't-driven drug price negotiation, trade fairness, fiscal stimulus via infrastructure, etc. No doubt progressives will still give him flack because he's manifestly unqualified to mow lawns, but the coup here is that conservatives will have elected a Dem-light on several big, impactful policy issues when they thought they were getting a conservative POTUS. I think the one attribute his supporters voted on (knowingly or not) is his authoritarian streak, as this is a guy that seems extraordinarily likely to use the force of the state against private enterprise (drug prices, trade) as much as almost any progressive would, yet conservatives still voted for him. No doubt his authoritarian streak could also lead him to do harmful things like retribution against his political enemies, which you figure with him is a near certainly given his lack of impulse control, but maybe his lawyers will keep him in line.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm a firm believer that no matter what Trump does to our schools, healthcare, civil rights, environment, his believers will continue to support him. And they will continue to counter objective-based reality with "Make America Great Again" and "Lock Her Up" and "Build that Wall" etc etc *puke*

There is no turning back from here. No amount of damage Trump can do will change anyone's mind that he is bad for the economy, for education, for globalization, for the environment, for civil rights.

If reality contradicts Trumps "accomplishments" he will just make up an alternate reality.

You realize, I hope, that Trump & the Repubs intend to break the system irretrievably. They will break it, I suspect, with another round of financial deregulation & tax cuts for the elite, another round of boom & bust bigger than the last. It's baked in to their ideology. Dems will be called upon to deal with the wreckage unless Repubs can gerrymander & suppress voting to a degree that renders the will of the people immaterial. They'd like nothing better.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yep, the inner city schools are doing so well under the Obama administration that there's just no way anyone can improve them, same for our health care in the US, it's just so good nothing would be better. How can anyone possibly improve so many things?

 

[First]

You realize, I hope, that Trump & the Repubs intend to break the system irretrievably. They will break it, I suspect, with another round of financial deregulation & tax cuts for the elite, another round of boom & bust bigger than the last. It's baked in to their ideology. Dems will be called upon to deal with the wreckage unless Repubs can gerrymander & suppress voting to a degree that renders the will of the people immaterial. They'd like nothing better.

They can't pass financial deregulation with 52 votes in the Senate, and at the very least McCain, Graham & Flake aren't voting to remove the filibuster so that's pretty much a wrap. Same with SCOTUS, btw. Tax cuts, unfortunately, can be passed mostly via reconciliation from what I understand, and that'll mean huge deficits. Ironically coming from the "fiscally conservative" party.

 

[First]

Yep, the inner city schools are doing so well under the Obama administration that there's just no way anyone can improve them, same for our health care in the US, it's just so good nothing would be better. How can anyone possibly improve so many things?

No doubt the prescription for failing inner city schools is to deny funding and shutter them in favor of private charter schools the poor can't afford! And no doubt the best way to improve healthcare is to take it away from people with zero alternative that's more affordable! lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

The real coup with Trump is if he decides to implement the progressive policies he pimped (a big if given he's unpredictable of course) before and after the election, such as universal healthcare, gov't-driven drug price negotiation, trade fairness, fiscal stimulus via infrastructure, etc. No doubt progressives will still give him flack because he's manifestly unqualified to mow lawns, but the coup here is that conservatives will have elected a Dem-light on several big, impactful policy issues when they thought they were getting a conservative POTUS. I think the one attribute his supporters voted on (knowingly or not) is his authoritarian streak, as this is a guy that seems extraordinarily likely to use the force of the state against private enterprise (drug prices, trade) as much as almost any progressive would, yet conservatives still voted for him. No doubt his authoritarian streak could also lead him to do harmful things like retribution against his political enemies, which you figure with him is a near certainly given his lack of impulse control, but maybe his lawyers will keep him in line.

Trump & a Repub congress will deliver astounding & risky wealth increasing opportunities to the financial elite & deregulated free market capitalist cornholio to the rest of us. They may be able to agree in other areas but that's written in stone.

 

[nageov3t]

Yep, the inner city schools are doing so well under the Obama administration that there's just no way anyone can improve them, same for our health care in the US, it's just so good nothing would be better. How can anyone possibly improve so many things?

Obamacare could easily be improved, but what signals has Trump or Congressional Republicans sent that he wants to better fund it or replace it with universal healthcare?

 

[theeedude]

Trumpism, Republicanism, and Concervatism are cancers on America.

 

[First]

Trump & a Repub congress will deliver astounding & risky wealth increasing opportunities to the financial elite & deregulated free market capitalist cornholio to the rest of us. They may be able to agree in other areas but that's written in stone.

Well like I said, you can't dereg markets without passing a bill through the Senate, which cannot be passed with a bare minimum 50 votes via reconciliation because it's not entirely budget driven.

 

[Jhhnn]

They can't pass financial deregulation with 52 votes in the Senate, and at the very least McCain, Graham & Flake aren't voting to remove the filibuster so that's pretty much a wrap. Same with SCOTUS, btw. Tax cuts, unfortunately, can be passed mostly via reconciliation from what I understand, and that'll mean huge deficits. Ironically coming from the "fiscally conservative" party.

They hold the govt & the people hostage. Hell- they'll shut down the govt to have their way if Dems attempt to obstruct their break the govt agenda too much. They'll raise interest rates by destroying the full faith & credit of the govt with another contrived debt ceiling crisis if need be. And they'll blame Dems for all of it.

 

[First]

They hold the govt & the people hostage. Hell- they'll shut down the govt to have their way if Dems attempt to obstruct their break the govt agenda too much. They'll raise interest rates by destroying the full faith & credit of the govt with another contrived debt ceiling crisis if need be. And they'll blame Dems for all of it.

Yeah, they're not going to do any of that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well like I said, you can't dereg markets without passing a bill through the Senate, which cannot be passed with a bare minimum 50 votes via reconciliation because it's not entirely budget driven.

If the Senate & the HOR pass a bill by simple majority which is signed by the President it becomes law. Repubs are in the position to extort large concessions from Dems using a variety of means.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, they're not going to do any of that.

Recent history tells us otherwise. It worked for them over the last 8 years & will probably work even better with them in the majority.

Disabuse yourself of the notion that Repub leaders are moral in any way.

 

[fskimospy]

And where does that stand since the election? That's not a challenge. I am curious.

I don't know but if anything his behavior has gotten worse since June so it's hard to imagine his image improving too much.

Responded much better than pointless protests after the election, for example.

Why are they pointless? The purpose of a protest is to get attention and the fact that you know they happened means they succeeded.

I get the impression that opposition to Hillary, according to the left, could be ascribed to nothing other than sexism. Just as opposing Obama has endlessly been ascribed to simple racism.

Those impressions are the result of relentless right wing messaging and have little to do with reality. I've never seen anyone say that opposition to Clinton could only be sexism or opposition to Obama could only be racism. Those are straw man arguments. What people did say, and what was pretty clearly true, was that sexism and racism played a part in opposition to Clinton and Obama for some people. (and an uncomfortably larger share of people than conservatives would like to admit)

Within that context (viewing your opponents not as opponents but evil, malicious monsters), angry reactions such as those we have seen make sense.

While some element of that exists for both parties viewing your opponent in that way is actually more prevalent among conservatives. If you look at polling that asks who is a threat to the country Republican leaners consistently score higher on that than Democratic leaners. Hell, I'm sure you remember the last eight years of people claiming Obama became president with the intent of taking America down.

It's too early to determine what Trump will do.

I'm basing that conclusion on what he has already done. We've never had a president that had so little self control and so little understanding of the requirements of basic governance. I don't think I asked you but I sincerely hope you didn't vote for this guy as...jesus.

 

[OrByte]

Yep, the inner city schools are doing so well under the Obama administration that there's just no way anyone can improve them, same for our health care in the US, it's just so good nothing would be better. How can anyone possibly improve so many things?

you do not care about inner city schools unless it is to try and score political points...the rest of your post is meaningless.

 

[Jaskalas]

It is refreshing to see fundamentalist Christians openly support a demonstrably immoral person. It shows what utter Pharisees they are..... literally the people Jesus despised the most.

1: Both top choices were immoral.
2: VP Mike Pence is a fundie.
3: People like to delude themselves.

I find that voting block is a mix between holding their noses and all-in crazy.
I doubt many actively supported Trump for his immorality. They literally did not see a better choice.

 

[First]

If the Senate & the HOR pass a bill by simple majority which is signed by the President it becomes law. Repubs are in the position to extort large concessions from Dems using a variety of means.

Non-budget bills are subject to filibuster in the Senate so Repubs can't go to conference in the first place, it'll be filibustered because they ain't getting the 8 Dems minimum. Therefore it doesn't become law.

Recent history tells us otherwise. It worked for them over the last 8 years & will probably work even better with them in the majority.

Disabuse yourself of the notion that Repub leaders are moral in any way.

Yeah we'll see, but fact is Repubs control all of gov't so any shutdown will inevitably be blamed on them anyway.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

you do not care about inner city schools unless it is to try and score political points...the rest of your post is meaningless.

You're an idiot and a liar. You just have to say crap like that because the left wing in this coutry has owned urban schools for over 50 years and totally fsked up the education of the people that depended and had faith in them. I can't see how the new Secretary of Education and President Trump will do worse.

 

[jackstar7]

1: Both top choices were immoral.
2: VP Mike Pence is a fundie.
3: People like to delude themselves.

I find that voting block is a mix between holding their noses and all-in crazy.
I doubt many actively supported Trump for his immorality. They literally did not see a better choice.

Can you elaborate on H. Clinton's immorality?


Just for funsies.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Tell us why inner city schools matter to you.

You're an idiot and a liar. You just have to say crap like that because the left wing in this coutry has owned urban schools for over 50 years and totally fsked up the education of the people that depended and had faith in them. I can't see how the new Secretary of Education and President Trump will do worse.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Tell us why inner city schools matter to you.

I was born and raised and educated in the Los Angeles school district.

 

[OrByte]

You're an idiot and a liar. You just have to say crap like that because the left wing in this coutry has owned urban schools for over 50 years and totally fsked up the education of the people that depended and had faith in them. I can't see how the new Secretary of Education and President Trump will do worse.

you do not care.

Your posts are meaningless.

 

[IronWing]

I was born and raised and educated in the Los Angeles school district.

Two out of three ain't bad.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I was born and raised and educated in the Los Angeles school district.

Thanks for that info, now answer the question.

 

[OrByte]

I was born and raised and educated in the Los Angeles school district.

I do not believe you.

Some people are saying you aren't even a US citizen, and since you seem to know so little about anything about how the US government works...I have to wonder whats going on.

All I'm saying is, I wonder what's going on...