Why the left hates Trump so intensely

[realibrad]

I listed her flaws, I just don't think they are flaws to me personally because I don't view a politician from a superficial viewpoint. That doesn't mean no one else does (most people do), so yes, they are flaws.

You guys seem to have a really hard time not creating straw man arguments. Can you point out to me where I said she wasn't good at politics? I said nothing about that. I said she wasn't a good politician, there is a difference.

lol, so your argument is that she has flaws, but they are not flaws, and that she is a good politician but bad at politics.

 

[MongGrel]

And where does that stand since the election? That's not a challenge. I am curious.

Somewhere along these lines, it appears.

As Trump Era Arrives, a Sense of Uncertainty Grips the World

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/...version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

 

[Meghan54]

I do not believe you.

Some people are saying you aren't even a US citizen, and since you seem to know so little about anything about how the US government works...I have to wonder whats going on.

All I'm saying is, I wonder what's going on...

Russian stooge.

 

[Jhhnn]

Can you elaborate on H. Clinton's immorality?


Just for funsies.

He jes' knows. cuz reasons. cuz people were saying. cuz Benghazi & shit.

 

[ivwshane]

lol, so your argument is that she has flaws, but they are not flaws, and that she is a good politician but bad at politics.

You are seriously one dumb mother fucker.

Troll some where else.

 

[agent00f]

Says the person that's so ate up with anger.

Many are justifiably displeased that someone like Trump won. And it's hardly surprising the natural fascists here are laughing it up entirely in line with what to expect of them.

Let's see if these sorts can figure out who these quotes are referring to, though that might be demanding much of reading skills:

"In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness."

"____ have chosen hate because hate is a faith to them; at the outset they have chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease they feel as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions appear to them. If out of courtesy they consent for a moment to defend their point of view, they lend themselves but do not give themselves. They try simply to project their intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse.

Never believe that ______ are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The ____ have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.

They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. If then, as we have been able to observe, the ____ is impervious to reason and to experience, it is not because his conviction is strong. Rather his conviction is strong because he has chosen first of all to be impervious."

These descriptions pretty much fit american conservatism culminating in someone like Trump to that T, even if they were written for a similar historical movement.

 

[agent00f]

Non-budget bills are subject to filibuster in the Senate so Repubs can't go to conference in the first place, it'll be filibustered because they ain't getting the 8 Dems minimum. Therefore it doesn't become law.

The problem is Democrats aren't as reliable of a bloc for various reasons, as evidenced by the recent drug import matter.

Yeah we'll see, but fact is Repubs control all of gov't so any shutdown will inevitably be blamed on them anyway.

Loyalists don't care, and if there's anything straight fascist are great at eliciting.

 

[First]

The problem is Democrats aren't as reliable of a bloc for various reasons, as evidenced by the recent drug import matter.

Drug import vote on a meaningless bill is one thing, when it actually comes down to importing drugs in a real vote then I'd be surprised if anywhere near 13 Dems vote against that. But there is actual history of Dem senators not voting with Repubs on ACA, and certainly nowhere near 7 if we assume Manchin would break with Dems.

Loyalists don't care, and if there's anything straight fascist are great at eliciting.

Yeah like I said we'll see.

 

[realibrad]

You are seriously one dumb mother fucker.

Troll some where else.

Not sure what you expect here. I ask for some flaws, and you give me examples of things you think other people considered flaws, but not you. If you dont consider them flaws, then you did not answer what I asked for. As for your politics answer, that is very confusing. How can someone be bad at politics, and be a good politician?

Hillary was a poor choice. I would bet that had the Left not made Biden into a Joke over the last 8 years, he would have beat Trump easy. I think that they made Biden into a Joke because they wanted to give Hillary a chance because the DNC felt like she deserved it this time. If you cant admit that she had flaws, then you are part of the problem the Left needs to fix. The Right has no problem with double think, and the left seems to envy that.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Thanks for that info, now answer the question.

Why do you care ?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why do you care ?

You're an idiot and a liar. You just have to say crap like that because the left wing in this coutry has owned urban schools for over 50 years and totally fsked up the education of the people that depended and had faith in them. I can't see how the new Secretary of Education and President Trump will do worse.

 

[agent00f]

Not sure what you expect here. I ask for some flaws, and you give me examples of things you think other people considered flaws, but not you. If you dont consider them flaws, then you did not answer what I asked for. As for your politics answer, that is very confusing. How can someone be bad at politics, and be a good politician?

Hillary was a poor choice. I would bet that had the Left not made Biden into a Joke over the last 8 years, he would have beat Trump easy. I think that they made Biden into a Joke because they wanted to give Hillary a chance because the DNC felt like she deserved it this time. If you cant admit that she had flaws, then you are part of the problem the Left needs to fix. The Right has no problem with double think, and the left seems to envy that.

Her main "flaw" is not being nearly as great at a popularity contest as obama, the most talented politician of this generation and arguably recent history. It's quite amusing that someone as impressionable as you is arguing you wouldn't have believed all the mentioned flaws of just about any other option.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You misunderstand, I know why I care, why do you care what happens to urban school kids who have been betrayed by the left-wing politicians and school administrations?

 

[ch33zw1z]

So you don't want to answer the question, you want me to answer my own question.

Not buying your bs.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why do you care ?

You apparently don't fit neatly into his twisted worldview of what conservatives should think about such things. He cares because he wants to personally marginalize you and minimalize any possible empathy you may have about inner city schools. That's how they roll here.

BTW...I grew up in inner city Los Angeles and care greatly about inner city schools as well.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So you don't want to answer the question, you want me to answer my own question.

Not buying your bs.

How about you answer the question for him since you already know all the answers.

 

[agent00f]

You apparently don't fit neatly into his twisted worldview of what conservatives should think about such things. He cares because he wants to personally marginalize you and minimalize any possible empathy you may have about inner city schools. That's how they roll here.

BTW...I grew up in inner city Los Angeles and care greatly about inner city schools as well.

Quite laughable given how much that "care" has ever been expressed in contrast to the rants about them centrist libtards. Rather proves ch33z's point, really.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You apparently don't fit neatly into his twisted worldview of what conservatives should think about such things. He cares because he wants to personally marginalize you and minimalize any possible empathy you may have about inner city schools. That's how they roll here.

BTW...I grew up in inner city Los Angeles and care greatly about inner city schools as well.

Thanks for the generalization. My curiosity is met with scoff and assumption.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Thanks for the generalization. My curiosity is met with scoff and assumption.

Then by all means please set me straight.

 

[First]

You misunderstand, I know why I care, why do you care what happens to urban school kids who have been betrayed by the left-wing politicians and school administrations?

Well, because your statement is unsubstantiated bullshit and you're derping it up, frankly. As a product of LAUSD (i.e. public LA schooling) K-12 myself, I can say unequivocally that Dem politicians have been the least of the inner city's problems. You can't fix parenting at the federal or state level, it's a "hyper local" issue. Takes a village of really good, empathetic non-poiticians to raise well adjusted members of society.

 

[realibrad]

Her main "flaw" is not being nearly as great at a popularity contest as obama, the most talented politician of this generation and arguably recent history. It's quite amusing that someone as impressionable as you is arguing you wouldn't have believed all the mentioned flaws of just about any other option.

Her main flaw implies there are more flaws. That is far closer to reality than what he originally said which is that others see flaws, but he does not.

Ill give you an example of one of her flaws. She is worried about her image, which is perfectly rational. The flaw is that because of her concern, she does excessive things to hold back as much information as possible. The reason she had a personal server is the same reason others, on both sides had personal servers, which is to control information. She has a habit of playing everything as close to the vest.

Another issue was how she reacted to the TPP. I am for free trade, but no everyone is. So when TPP went from being unknown to unpopular she shifted her stance but would not admit to it. The same thing with NAFTA, where she supported it up until 2008 where she changed her mind.

None of those issues make her worse than Trump, but I at least can admit she has flaws.

 

[agent00f]

Her main flaw implies there are more flaws. That is far closer to reality than what he originally said which is that others see flaws, but he does not.

Ill give you an example of one of her flaws. She is worried about her image, which is perfectly rational. The flaw is that because of her concern, she does excessive things to hold back as much information as possible. The reason she had a personal server is the same reason others, on both sides had personal servers, which is to control information. She has a habit of playing everything as close to the vest.

Another issue was how she reacted to the TPP. I am for free trade, but no everyone is. So when TPP went from being unknown to unpopular she shifted her stance but would not admit to it. The same thing with NAFTA, where she supported it up until 2008 where she changed her mind.

None of those issues make her worse than Trump, but I at least can admit she has flaws.

Congrats for iterating GOP talking points to prove my case. Ponder for some time why they could never successfully attach that flip-flop brand to a fellow centrist in Obama; a smarter man might catch a better politician in action.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then by all means please set me straight.

It's up to you to set the record straight. I asked a question, you guys are spending quite a bit of time not answering it.

I see taj still hasn't either

 

[realibrad]

Congrats for iterating GOP talking points to prove my case. Ponder for some time why they could never successfully attach that flip-flop brand to a fellow centrist in Obama; a smarter man might catch a better politician in action.

Can you name a flaw that she has? It's usually those on the right that cannot any flaws and blindly support their people.

 

[agent00f]

Can you name a flaw that she has? It's usually those on the right that cannot any flaws and blindly support their people.

I already did which rather proves the point here. In addition, being a woman probably didn't help where she lost.