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EngenZerO

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ugh, i just accepted a job and now i have two other companies calling me today (7 days b4 i start wanting interviews). gah...
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: Armitage
Originally posted by: MAME
are you starting to realize how little grades matter in the real world?

Grades do matter in the real world - college admissions, first job out of college, etc. But they mean jack for these kinds of summer jobs.

college != real world

:roll: It's more "real world" then H.S. - if nothing else, it's an important stepping stone to the "real world" and grades do matter for college admissions.

I spoke to all my peers about grades in the workplace, EVERY single one said that they were never asked about grades nor did the employer really care. They have tests in the interviews that tell more than grades ever could.

My peers are working for a wide range of companies: Google, Apple, O'Reilly, Adobe, etc.

Exact opposite of my experience - I've never heard anybody giving tests in interviews for any level position in my field (aerospace engineering). I have been asked about college GPA in interviews.

Grades aren't very important once you're a few years out and have some experience/references. But for an entry level job, they are definitely considered. I know that for certain, as I've been involved in the hiring process.
 

Krk3561

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Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.
 

Kev

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Originally posted by: akubi
So you assume that because I'm smart I basically lack all other abilities?

uh.. right.
good luck getting a job at walmart with that ego & attitude.

a perfect gpa in some backwater high school won't get you into mit or harvard but a semi decent one from a competitive high school will.

we're not calling you stupid but there are tons of ppl smarter than you, so get over yourself and learn to be modest. No one will hire an arrogant teenager. It's simply not worth the effort.

You seem really bitter and jealous. I'm all for flaming people but I didn't pick up on one iota of arrogance in the OP.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.

Boy you are going to be in for a rude awawkening when you get out into the real world and have no other choice but to take a position 30+minutes away.
 

Krk3561

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.

Boy you are going to be in for a rude awawkening when you get out into the real world and have no other choice but to take a position 30+minutes away.
Well its different when your making more than $7/hr.
 

akubi

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You seem really bitter and jealous. I'm all for flaming people but I didn't pick up on one iota of arrogance in the OP.

I'm sorry you read it that way but I just don't think the phrase "I'm smart" should be in anyone's vocabulary when they are speaking about themselves. Especially when the statistics are not all that impressive (neither is the job).

If you look earlier in the thread, I offered sincere advice... but this kid kept on going about how he's so shocked he didn't get a job at a retail store with his "accomplishments."
 

gwlam12

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Originally posted by: akubi
Originally posted by: notfred
BEcause everyone thinks that you're making up your resume, because no school I've ever heard of makes it possible to get better than a 5.0 GPA?

Or maybe because you're going to Northwestern in the fall and they dont want to hire someone for a month or two.

Or possibly you just sound arrogant in interviews.


actually MIT uses a 5.0 system and you can have 5.0 GPA
you have to "convert" it to standard 4.0 scale when you fill out standardized forms though (for grad/med/law/business apps etc). It's a pretty stupid system



He said 'BETTER' than a 5.0 GPA.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.

Boy you are going to be in for a rude awawkening when you get out into the real world and have no other choice but to take a position 30+minutes away.
Well its different when your making more than $7/hr.

Well this, along with other posts, leads me to believe you don't really want a job. I was pulling in $7/hour down in Maryland working 25 hours a week at a pizza shop because I needed more money in college. Guess how long it took me to walk to and from work? 40 minutes each way.

Basically, I'm getting out of this thread that you don't want a job, you merely would like to make a few extra bucks on the side if its convenient for you.
 

Originally posted by: Krk3561
I think theres a difference between the real world and trolls/people just trying to bust your balls on an online forum...
Keep up that attitude and see where it gets you.
 

Krk3561

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.

Boy you are going to be in for a rude awawkening when you get out into the real world and have no other choice but to take a position 30+minutes away.
Well its different when your making more than $7/hr.

Well this, along with other posts, leads me to believe you don't really want a job. I was pulling in $7/hour down in Maryland working 25 hours a week at a pizza shop because I needed more money in college. Guess how long it took me to walk to and from work? 40 minutes each way.

Basically, I'm getting out of this thread that you don't want a job, you merely would like to make a few extra bucks on the side if its convenient for you.

Gas ain't exactly cheap down here.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Try applying at more smaller mom and pop shops, also, make a little information/contact sheet and give it to all the adults you know, getting jobs through people you know is usually more rewarding! :)
 

Originally posted by: Krk3561
Gas ain't exactly cheap down here.
But you're a National Merit Scholarship winner!!!!11111onetwothree. Can't you get an advance from your parents for gas money? After all, they'll be saving money on college b/c of your smartness!
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.

Boy you are going to be in for a rude awawkening when you get out into the real world and have no other choice but to take a position 30+minutes away.
Well its different when your making more than $7/hr.

Well this, along with other posts, leads me to believe you don't really want a job. I was pulling in $7/hour down in Maryland working 25 hours a week at a pizza shop because I needed more money in college. Guess how long it took me to walk to and from work? 40 minutes each way.

Basically, I'm getting out of this thread that you don't want a job, you merely would like to make a few extra bucks on the side if its convenient for you.

Gas ain't exactly cheap down here.

Alright, assuming you drive 40mph, and drive for a half hour. That's 20 miles you're driving. Most cars get around 20MPG. So thats two gallons of gasoline you're using to get to and from work. Assuming gas prices are as expensive as NY, that's $about $4.60 a day, which is not exactly breaking the bank. And since you've never had a job, I'd also assume you don't personally pay for your gas. So that's a non-issue anyway.

Also, public transportation really isn't that expensive.

So you were saying?
 

Landroval

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When I was a teenager I was never once asked about my education, GPA, etc. when filling out applications or in interviews. And I never had a hard time finding work. There's no need to inlcude any of that stuff on a job application, other than that you graduated high school in 2005. Anything else does make you seem out of touch with reality.
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: sciencewhiz
If you've only applied to 10 places in 30 days, I'd question either your work ethic or your desire to really get a job. My sister started applying end of last week and did 6 places in 2 days. It isn't like Ft. Lauderdale is a small place.

I don't live in Ft. Lauderdale exactly, I live in a suburb way out west, almost in the Everglades. But, anyways, I dont want to drive 30 minutes to work. I'd like to get a job in my city.

Boy you are going to be in for a rude awawkening when you get out into the real world and have no other choice but to take a position 30+minutes away.
Well its different when your making more than $7/hr.



Hopefully someday I will find out!!

Ausm
 

Mo0o

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Volunteer and work exp > GPA , scholarships

That being said, im surprised you haven't gotten anything, especially with your 500 hours of service. must be the job market
 

Originally posted by: Landroval
When I was a teenager I was never once asked about my education, GPA, etc. when filling out applications or in interviews. And I never had a hard time finding work. There's no need to inlcude any of that stuff on a job application, other than that you graduated high school in 2005. Anything else does make you seem out of touch with reality.
Same. My resume (I'm entering my senior year of college this fall) lists my college, major, GPA and relevant coursework.

2/3 of my resume is made up of my employment experience and internships which is directly applicable to the field I'm going into.

Experience matters more than education.

Here's my resume for reference: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/jumpr/resume_small.JPG
 

Krk3561

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Well anyways, I talked to the manager opening an EB Games store opening in ~1 week (2 minutes from my house) over the phone, and I'm going to another store to meet him in person. This is the job I wanted most too.
 

DJFuji

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Thought you might find the following useful:

a) Your 3.99 unweighted GPA is hard to believe. Not that it's impossible, but do the math. You're a smart guy. Unless youre on some weird grading system, you have two semesters per year. That makes 6 class x 2 semesters x 4 years = 48 total grades. Say you got one B your entire HS career. That means you have (47 x 4) + (1 x 3) = 191. Now divide 191 by total number of grades (48). You get a 3.979. Close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. If you happen to have an HR person savvy enough to realize that, your credibility is shot right off the bat.

b) The people who are most likely going to hire you have no idea wtf a 5.065 GPA is. If anything they'll just think youre making sh!t up now. Don't bother listing this.

c) Realize that youre looking for retail jobs. As many have said, you have several things working against you:

1) People dont like to hire "smart" kids because they ask too many fvcking questions and tend not to take orders well. Especially stupid ones. I was in your shoes once and learned the hard way that correcting your boss in his obvious mistakes is not a very good vocational move.

2) Youre overqualified for these jobs. Your resume and/or qualifications need to be tailored to fit the job. Can't be too under OR overqualified. Why hire you when they can hire a guy for $2/hour less who doesnt question them, will be around a while (since he aint going to college or finding a better job anytime soon), and won't threaten their intelligence?

In this world its often not WHAT you know, but WHO you know. I would actually suggest getting a more technically oriented job. At least you're less likely to be turned down for being overqualified there. Or hell, dont even get a job-- start learning CS stuff so that by the time you graduate you won't be in the same boat youre in now. Put in a year or two learning programming and you can generally start freelancing and consulting for >$20/hour. It's going to take a lot of promotions and BS to get that at best buy.
 

Krk3561

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Originally posted by: DJFuji
Thought you might find the following useful:

a) Your 3.99 unweighted GPA is hard to believe. Not that it's impossible, but do the math. You're a smart guy. Unless youre on some weird grading system, you have two semesters per year. That makes 6 class x 2 semesters x 4 years = 48 total grades. Say you got one B your entire HS career. That means you have (47 x 4) + (1 x 3) = 191. Now divide 191 by total number of grades (48). You get a 3.979. Close, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. If you happen to have an HR person savvy enough to realize that, your credibility is shot right off the bat.

Ok, ok, I never bothered to calcuate it out, but its really a 3.98. 52 total grades, 1 B.
 

CptObvious

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Originally posted by: Qwest
retail stores are tough on hiring people just for the summer. they dont want to waste time training you only to know you're going to leave in 2 months.
I agree with this, from personal experience. I doubt it has much to do with your grades or being overqualified.

Your best shot I think is to look for a temp agency or maybe volunteer somewhere.
 

Excelsior

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Even I have trouble finding a job, and I am a college student. Like someone else said, it seems most places don't want to higher for just the summer, and I guess I can't blame them.
 

Kishan

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I'm not going to waste time telling you that you're a lot better than a bullsh!t retail job, but since you need a job, WHY THE FVCK ARE YOU TELLING THEM THAT YOU ARE LEAVING IN 8 WEEKS!!!!!

Make up some bs story at the end of the summer saying that you are going to another school due to financial reasons. Don't focus so much on grades and numbers on the resume. Short and sweet.