Why in the F*ck are my counties ballots going to be printed in spanish?

[OutHouse]

A utility bill to ID? what kind of crap is that? since when is a utility bill proof of citizenship? and why is my county printing ballots in spanish? The last time i read it the Fifteenth Amendment says citizens of the united states have the right to vote.

doesnt the word citizen have any meaning anymore? If you are here in my country illegally then you CAN NOT VOTE!!! :|

http://www.co.weld.co.us/departments/cl...corder/voter_lookup/voter_id_info.html

DO YOU HAVE YOUR ID?

You will need to bring an acceptable form of identification to the polling place in order to vote.

Any one of the following will be considered acceptable form of identification at the polling place:

Ø A valid Colorado driver?s license

Ø A valid Colorado Department of Revenue identification card

Ø A valid U.S. passport

Ø A valid pilot?s license issued by the Federal Aviation Administration

Ø A valid employee identification with a photograph issued by the U.S. government, Colorado state government, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of the state

Ø A valid U.S. Military identification card with photograph

Ø A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the elector?s name and address (a cable bill; a telephone bill; documentation from a public institution of higher education in Colorado containing at least the name, date of birth, and residence address of the student elector; or a paycheck from a government institution or private company are sufficient forms of ID)

Ø A valid Medicare or Medicaid card

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

Some forms of identification may not contain an address. If the address appears on the identification, the address must be in Colorado

I could not agree with you more. The Election staff and I had discussion with the S.O.S in 2004 about this. We were informed not to try and make sense of the Law; we only needed to comply with it. I do hear and understand what you are pointing out.

 

[BigJ]

That's just wonderful.

 

[Vette73]

Having to show form that you listed would not hold up in court.

What if I was homeless with no money. Does that mean I am not allowed to vote?

I agree with the spanish thing a little, but the ID/Papers part is BS.

 

[Eeezee]

Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

 

[Armitage]

The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

 

[acemcmac]

Good question. Personally, I don't understand why you don't either need a DL or a non-DL State ID to vote, every time. I have never been asked for ID when voting.

 

[state 08]

You have no right to b1tch.

This country was stolen.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

ah but proficiency in english is required to become a citizen...

 

[silverpig]

Where I am (Vancouver), a list of eligible voters is already pre-compiled by the government. You get sent your precinct address and go there to vote. They already have your name, and you must show some kind of ID to confirm your address and eligibility to vote in that riding.

It's basically so I as a liberal voter (for argument's sake) can't leave my liberal stronghold riding and go vote in a riding where the liberals aren't as strong. A utility bill proves where I live.

However, if it is true that your county is relying on a utility bill as a proof of citizenship... then that's just nuts.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Having to show form that you listed would not hold up in court.

What if I was homeless with no money. Does that mean I am not allowed to vote?

I agree with the spanish thing a little, but the ID/Papers part is BS.

You have to be a citizen to vote - this should be enforced via the voter registration process. When you show up, WTH shouldn't you have to prove that you are the CITIZEN that registered to vote? Or what's to stop my illegal imigrant neighbor from showing up at the polls, giving my name, and voting?

 

[UNCjigga]

Voter ID should be photo ID based IMO. Registration for voting should require proof of citizenship.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

Yep. Crap like this was used against blacks after the Civil war.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

Fine then give them away. But you should have to prove you are the person on the voter registration as far as I'm concerned.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

A valid ID is needed for alot more than just voting.
Use a credit card to buy something? They will usualy check your ID.
Want Beer? Same thing.
How about a job? Oh yeah ID required.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Armitage

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

Fine then give them away. But you should have to prove you are the person on the voter registration as far as I'm concerned.

Even if you give them away people will complain. That's what Georgia did and they've had lawsuits filed claiming it is Jim Crow all over again. :roll:

It's pretty sad that Blockbuster requires more ID to get a membership there than many places require to vote.

Even Mexico is more stringent about voter identification than the USA.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Citrix
A utility bill to ID? what kind of crap is that? since when is a utility bill proof of citizenship? and why is my county printing ballots in spanish? The last time i read it the Fifteenth Amendment says citizens of the united states have the right to vote.

doesnt the word citizen have any meaning anymore? If you are here in my country illegally then you CAN NOT VOTE!!! :|

http://www.co.weld.co.us/departments/cl...corder/voter_lookup/voter_id_info.html

DO YOU HAVE YOUR ID?

You will need to bring an acceptable form of identification to the polling place in order to vote.

Any one of the following will be considered acceptable form of identification at the polling place:

Ø A valid Colorado driver?s license

Ø A valid Colorado Department of Revenue identification card

Ø A valid U.S. passport

Ø A valid pilot?s license issued by the Federal Aviation Administration

Ø A valid employee identification with a photograph issued by the U.S. government, Colorado state government, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of the state

Ø A valid U.S. Military identification card with photograph

Ø A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the elector?s name and address (a cable bill; a telephone bill; documentation from a public institution of higher education in Colorado containing at least the name, date of birth, and residence address of the student elector; or a paycheck from a government institution or private company are sufficient forms of ID)

Ø A valid Medicare or Medicaid card

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

Some forms of identification may not contain an address. If the address appears on the identification, the address must be in Colorado

Colorado has just joined many Georgia Counties giving Espanol precendence over English.

Bueno

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

I have a hard time believing that you can get around in the US without an ID card. It's $10 here in VA. How can you get a job, bank acct, or even cash your welfare check without one? Voting is becoming a sham w/ Spanish ballots and no ID required because it's discrimination. God forbid that my vote mean something.

I also find it hard to believe that those who don't even know English well enough to fill out a ballot even know what they are voting for.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

I thought Congress voted to establish English as the official language of the United States of America?

And if not, then that's sad. You live in a country, you learn to speak the language. If I migrated to Germany, I would damn sure learn my German.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: state 08
You have no right to b1tch.

This country was stolen.

:roll:

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
I also find it hard to believe that those who don't even know English well enough to fill out a ballot even know what they are voting for.

QFT.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

However his state does and it is American English. I see no reason to print local or state ballots in anything other than American English.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
I also find it hard to believe that those who don't even know English well enough to fill out a ballot even know what they are voting for.

Sure they do. All the Spanish-speaking TV and Radio stations tell them exactly which candidates and initiatives to support. How else do you think all those illegal immigrant supporters managed to put together those massive rallies?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

bigot? yea ok.

it doesnt matter what you belive, the Fifteenth Amendment says in black and white that you have to be a citizen to vote.

 

[nageov3t]

as if any of our votes mean anything.

diebold already knows the outcome of the next election.