Why in the F*ck are my counties ballots going to be printed in spanish?

[DasFox]

So email Steve Moreno and bitch.

smoreno@co.weld.co.us

No kidding, since when did the votes of the people count, it's about time we wake up to this reality. People of power put in office who they choose, our votes have never counted.

ALOHA

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DasFox
So email Steve Moreno and bitch.

smoreno@co.weld.co.us

ALOHA

already have.

 

[MasonLuke]

:Q :evil: :thumbsdown: :shocked:

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: DasFox
So email Steve Moreno and bitch.

smoreno@co.weld.co.us

ALOHA

already have.

LOOK up I edited the post about voting.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Yep. Crap like this was used against blacks after the Civil war.

:thumbsup: Which is exactly why we are so careful to prevent it now.

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
A valid ID is needed for alot more than just voting.
Use a credit card to buy something? They will usualy check your ID.

They can ask for your ID, but they cannot require it per their merchant agreement.

Want Beer? Same thing.

I haven't been carded for beer in years... And if I didn't drink it would be a non-issue anyway.

How about a job? Oh yeah ID required.

I suggest you read form I-9 again.


Edit: To be clear, I am completely against non-citizens voting, but I don't think that can be enforced in a way that potentially prevents citizens from voting.

 

[DasFox]

Hey MUGS -----> rediculous makes baby jebus cry

Since when is rediculous a word?

Did you mean: ridiculous?

ALOHA

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Hey MUGS -----> rediculous makes baby jebus cry

Since when is rediculous a word?

ALOHA

Uh, yeah that's the point. It's a very commonly misspelled word, and it annoys me (probably more than it should). (That's my way of spreading the word that rediculous is not a word)

SHALOM

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

so what if it dosen't, state constituitions don't matter anymore? hes voting in the state of colorado, in an election run by the state of colorado, and more than likely on government owned land.

from the state constituition

Section 30a. Official language.
Statute text

The English language is the official language of the State of Colorado.

This section is self executing; however, the General Assembly may enact laws to implement this section.

 

[CombatChuk]

I'm I the only that didn't miss these things...

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

These would prove citizenship...

 

[Chadder007]

Its so the Illegals can have a say in who is voted in for the Legal's districts.

 

[chambersc]

Surely, you're not implying that American citizens ONLY speak english.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: CombatChuk
I'm I the only that didn't miss these things...

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

These would prove citizenship...

Yes, but his point is that you don't HAVE to have those things, you could use a utility bill instead.

And FWIW, my roommate in college was able to obtain an Indiana state ID card with only a utility bill and a Connecticut driver's license. So I'm not sure that requiring a photo ID would prove much.

 

[Atheus]

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

 

[CombatChuk]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CombatChuk
I'm I the only that didn't miss these things...

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

These would prove citizenship...

Yes, but his point is that you don't HAVE to have those things, you could use a utility bill instead.

And FWIW, my roommate in college was able to obtain an Indiana state ID card with only a utility bill and a Connecticut driver's license. So I'm not sure that requiring a photo ID would prove much.

To register to vote you have to show proof of citizenship. The voting place will only let registered voters (which have to be citizens) vote.

Text

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

so what if it dosen't, state constituitions don't matter anymore? hes voting in the state of colorado, in an election run by the state of colorado, and more than likely on government owned land.

from the state constituition

Section 30a. Official language.
Statute text

The English language is the official language of the State of Colorado.

This section is self executing; however, the General Assembly may enact laws to implement this section.

The point is to make it possible for all citizens to vote. We try to remove as many impediments to citizens voting as possible in this country. This is a result of the time in our history when state and local governments intentionally impeded the right of citizens to vote by requiring them to prove such things as English language literacy. Citizens are not required to speak or read English.

The side effect is that it makes it easier for non-citizens to vote, and that needs to be handled separately without interfering with the ability of citizens to vote.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: CombatChuk

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CombatChuk
I'm I the only that didn't miss these things...

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

These would prove citizenship...

Yes, but his point is that you don't HAVE to have those things, you could use a utility bill instead.

And FWIW, my roommate in college was able to obtain an Indiana state ID card with only a utility bill and a Connecticut driver's license. So I'm not sure that requiring a photo ID would prove much.

To register to vote you have to show proof of citizenship. The voting place will only let registered voters (which have to be citizens) vote.

Text

No one is questioning the registration. What we are questioning is not having to prove that you are the same person who registered.

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

I've heard some states requrie posession of photo ID at all times(we are serfs after all). At least that's what "they" say here in Virginia.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

um wrong.. our founders spoke english.... all our government business is conducted in english.. all our money is printed in english... all of the historical documents for our government are in english... guess what.. the USAs OFFICAL language is english..
you join the Military or a government agency and YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH..

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

so what if it dosen't, state constituitions don't matter anymore? hes voting in the state of colorado, in an election run by the state of colorado, and more than likely on government owned land.

from the state constituition

Section 30a. Official language.
Statute text

The English language is the official language of the State of Colorado.

This section is self executing; however, the General Assembly may enact laws to implement this section.

The point is to make it possible for all citizens to vote. We try to remove as many impediments to citizens voting as possible in this country. This is a result of the time in our history when state and local governments intentionally impeded the right of citizens to vote by requiring them to prove such things as English language literacy. Citizens are not required to speak or read English.

The side effect is that it makes it easier for non-citizens to vote, and that needs to be handled separately without interfering with the ability of citizens to vote.

To become a citizen you are required to be proficient in the English language.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

so what if it dosen't, state constituitions don't matter anymore? hes voting in the state of colorado, in an election run by the state of colorado, and more than likely on government owned land.

from the state constituition

Section 30a. Official language.
Statute text

The English language is the official language of the State of Colorado.

This section is self executing; however, the General Assembly may enact laws to implement this section.

The point is to make it possible for all citizens to vote. We try to remove as many impediments to citizens voting as possible in this country. This is a result of the time in our history when state and local governments intentionally impeded the right of citizens to vote by requiring them to prove such things as English language literacy. Citizens are not required to speak or read English.

The side effect is that it makes it easier for non-citizens to vote, and that needs to be handled separately without interfering with the ability of citizens to vote.

To become a citizen you are required to be proficient in the English language.

To be a citizen you are not. You can become a citizen though other means than naturalization. You can become a citizen by being born in the United States. You can become a citizen by being born to American citizens in a foreign country.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

um wrong.. our founders spoke english.... all our government business is conducted in english.. all our money is printed in english... all of the historical documents for our government are in english... guess what.. the USAs OFFICAL language is english..
you join the Military or a government agency and YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH..

You, Citrix, and Dave should polish your English skills before criticizing others.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

so what if it dosen't, state constituitions don't matter anymore? hes voting in the state of colorado, in an election run by the state of colorado, and more than likely on government owned land.

from the state constituition

Section 30a. Official language.
Statute text

The English language is the official language of the State of Colorado.

This section is self executing; however, the General Assembly may enact laws to implement this section.

The point is to make it possible for all citizens to vote. We try to remove as many impediments to citizens voting as possible in this country. This is a result of the time in our history when state and local governments intentionally impeded the right of citizens to vote by requiring them to prove such things as English language literacy. Citizens are not required to speak or read English.

The side effect is that it makes it easier for non-citizens to vote, and that needs to be handled separately without interfering with the ability of citizens to vote.

To become a citizen you are required to be proficient in the English language.

To be a citizen you are not. You can become a citizen though other means than naturalization. You can become a citizen by being born in the United States. You can become a citizen by being born to American citizens in a foreign country.

Also, it's possible that someone could take and pass the naturalization exam while still not being completely fluent in English. Thus, they might feel more comfortable reading in Spanish when possible.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

so what if it dosen't, state constituitions don't matter anymore? hes voting in the state of colorado, in an election run by the state of colorado, and more than likely on government owned land.

from the state constituition

Section 30a. Official language.
Statute text

The English language is the official language of the State of Colorado.

This section is self executing; however, the General Assembly may enact laws to implement this section.

The point is to make it possible for all citizens to vote. We try to remove as many impediments to citizens voting as possible in this country. This is a result of the time in our history when state and local governments intentionally impeded the right of citizens to vote by requiring them to prove such things as English language literacy. Citizens are not required to speak or read English.

The side effect is that it makes it easier for non-citizens to vote, and that needs to be handled separately without interfering with the ability of citizens to vote.

To become a citizen you are required to be proficient in the English language.

To be a citizen you are not. You can become a citizen though other means than naturalization. You can become a citizen by being born in the United States. You can become a citizen by being born to American citizens in a foreign country.

I realize that but what % of those people don't know English? I'd bet it is a very, very small number.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

um wrong.. our founders spoke english.... all our government business is conducted in english.. all our money is printed in english... all of the historical documents for our government are in english... guess what.. the USAs OFFICAL language is english..
you join the Military or a government agency and YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH..

By founders are you just looking at the people who wrote the decleration? Maybe we should also look at the scots-irish poor who moved over, as well as the french and spanish speakers who came in at the same time. These people had a strong effect on how the english language has changed over the years, affecting pronunciation and borrowing words from their own languages.

 

[WA261]

They need to learn to speak English or go tthe f*ck home. I am so sick of going into stores and seeing signs in both English and Spandirtbagish.