Why in the F*ck are my counties ballots going to be printed in spanish?

[JS80]

welcome to America

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Surely, you're not implying that American citizens ONLY speak english.

no. what i am implying is that all governments in the US conduct their business in english.

 

[AgentJean]

There is no "offical" lanague yet, but there needs to be. We need to pass a law or constitutional amendment making English the offical language but they won't do that because they want the spanish vote.

I think I should start a special intrest group demanding everything published in "Pig Latin"
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[mugs]

Originally posted by: WA261
They need to learn to speak English or go tthe f*ck home. I am so sick of going into stores and seeing signs in both English and Spandirtbagish.

Wow....

I can barely leave my house without hearing someone speaking a foreign language. Usually it's some eastern European or Asian language. But I don't hate them for it.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: CombatChuk

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CombatChuk
I'm I the only that didn't miss these things...

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

These would prove citizenship...

Yes, but his point is that you don't HAVE to have those things, you could use a utility bill instead.

And FWIW, my roommate in college was able to obtain an Indiana state ID card with only a utility bill and a Connecticut driver's license. So I'm not sure that requiring a photo ID would prove much.

To register to vote you have to show proof of citizenship. The voting place will only let registered voters (which have to be citizens) vote.

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No one is questioning the registration. What we are questioning is not having to prove that you are the same person who registered.

exactly. by those requirements anybody could swipe my utility bill out of my mailbox and take it down to use it vote in my name. :|

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

um wrong.. our founders spoke english.... all our government business is conducted in english.. all our money is printed in english... all of the historical documents for our government are in english... guess what.. the USAs OFFICAL language is english..
you join the Military or a government agency and YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH..

Whine whine whine... Speaking English has nothing to do with voting. If you want to institute a law that only allows fluent English speakers to vote, please write a letter to your congressman. If you want to descriminate against people based on race, religion, language, or sexual orientation, please move to a country other than the LAND OF THE FREE. As the conservatives used to say, love it or leave it.

And the utility bill as ID has nothing to do with allowing non citizens to vote. A citizen can't vote if he provides a DL, utility bill, pilot license, or whatever IF HE IS NOT REGISTERED. Non citizens ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REGISTER.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Armitage
The ID isn't to prove citizenship - just identity. Though a utility bill fails miserably at this as well.
Citizenship is proven by being on the voter registration roles.

I've never understood why requiring a photo ID for voting is considered discriminatory - so long as one can be obtained easily for a nominal fee.

Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

Yep. Crap like this was used against blacks after the Civil war.

actually, nope. This was recently brought up on a local talk show on the radio and it was stated that EVERY place you go to get an Id has a clause that for lower income people, the price is reduced to just a few dollars. Yes, its more for those of us who are fortunate enough to have a decent job, but just like school lunches, if you can prove you are lower income, then my tax money supplements your poor ass so you can get a cheaper ID.

 

[AgentJean]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

And the utility bill as ID has nothing to do with allowing non citizens to vote. A citizen can't vote if he provides a DL, utility bill, pilot license, or whatever IF HE IS NOT REGISTERED. Non citizens ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REGISTER.

Might want to check with Kalifornia about that


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[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: CombatChuk

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CombatChuk
I'm I the only that didn't miss these things...

Ø A certification copy of a U.S. birth certificate

Ø Certified document of naturalization

These would prove citizenship...

Yes, but his point is that you don't HAVE to have those things, you could use a utility bill instead.

And FWIW, my roommate in college was able to obtain an Indiana state ID card with only a utility bill and a Connecticut driver's license. So I'm not sure that requiring a photo ID would prove much.

To register to vote you have to show proof of citizenship. The voting place will only let registered voters (which have to be citizens) vote.

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No one is questioning the registration. What we are questioning is not having to prove that you are the same person who registered.

exactly. by those requirements anybody could swipe my utility bill out of my mailbox and take it down to use it vote in my name. :|

They could also swipe credit card offers and other personal information to steal your identity. Thankfully both of those are already federal crimes, so we don't need to pass more laws about them.

 

[mordantmonkey]

You think all leagal citizens speak english? or even speak/read english as well as they speak/read their first language?


p.s. you lack critical thinking

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Because you're a bigot?

Note, I believe citizenship should be required to vote, but America has no official language

um wrong.. our founders spoke english.... all our government business is conducted in english.. all our money is printed in english... all of the historical documents for our government are in english... guess what.. the USAs OFFICAL language is english..
you join the Military or a government agency and YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH..

Whine whine whine... Speaking English has nothing to do with voting. If you want to institute a law that only allows fluent English speakers to vote, please write a letter to your congressman. If you want to descriminate against people based on race, religion, language, or sexual orientation, please move to a country other than the LAND OF THE FREE. As the conservatives used to say, love it or leave it.

And the utility bill as ID has nothing to do with allowing non citizens to vote. A citizen can't vote if he provides a DL, utility bill, pilot license, or whatever IF HE IS NOT REGISTERED. Non citizens ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REGISTER.

wrong. my elderdly mom lives with my family she moved in with us in Feb and since she isnt very mobile we have not taken her down to get a Colorado state ID, so all she has is her Texas drivers license. last month we mailed in her voters registaration and right on the form it has a place to put your SSN if you do not have a Colorado ID. we all know how easy and frequent fake or stolen SSN numbers are used in fraud dont we?

oh here is the link if you want to see it yourself

http://www.co.weld.co.us/departments/clerkrecorder/voter_reg_form.pdf

look on the right side.

 

[Turin39789]

please run for the board of elections or state senator if you would like to change things! Dedicate your life to fixing the system!

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
You think all leagal citizens speak english? or even speak/read english as well as they speak/read their first language?


p.s. you lack critical thinking

As stated earlier, to become a naturalized citizen you need to be proficient in the English language. It doesn't matter what your first language choice happens to be. There are other ways to become a citizen, but I can't think how those would ever prevent you from learning the dominant language of the country you are living in. Please estimate for me the % of citizens of the US who don't know English well enough to fill out a ballot and why we should pander to them.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
You think all leagal citizens speak english? or even speak/read english as well as they speak/read their first language?


p.s. you lack critical thinking

As stated earlier, to become a naturalized citizen you need to be proficient in the English language. It doesn't matter what your first language choice happens to be. There are other ways to become a citizen, but I can't think how those would ever prevent you from learning the dominant language of the country you are living in. Please estimate for me the % of citizens of the US who don't know English well enough to fill out a ballot.

or you can be born one and never learn.

 

[AnthroAndStargate]

Are you a moron? This has always been a valid form of ID for I-9, etc. a water bill proves you reside at the location listed. Also - you have to be a citizen to vote, and yes many citizens do speak spanish (in fact half of my home state, Texas, does, and no im not spanish). Quit following whatever is the hot topic on FOX news, it's not that big of a deal, Spanish ballots are going to happen whether you or I like it or not.

 

[Ktulu]

What's with all the disdain towards those who speach spanish. Just because someone speaks spanish primarily doesn't automatically mean they're illegal. So many bigots on this forum.:disgust:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: state 08
You have no right to b1tch.

This country was stolen.

Oh my, aren't we "enlightned."

Name one country that wasn't "stolen" numbskull.

OOPS!

 

[daniel1113]

Wait a tick! I live in Weld County...

 

[Xcobra]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
What's with all the disdain towards those who speach spanish. Just because someone speaks spanish primarily doesn't automatically mean they're illegal. So many bigots on this forum.:disgust:

look again at your post...no one is talkking about illegals...yes many bigots that hate other languages should be burned alive! i mean i speak spanish (native language) and speak english fluently and DONT hate other people for the language they speak....hateful people like that should off themselves now!

 

[Queasy]

Potentially 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards in St. Louis - for those that think no shenanigans can occur with voter registration.

St. Louis Election Board officials say they've discovered at least 1,492 "potentially fraudulent" voter registration cards - including three from dead people and one from a 16-year-old - among the thousands pouring in before today's voter registration deadline for the Nov. 7 election.

City Republican elections director Scott Leiendecker said the board's staff expects to find even more bogus voter-registration applications among the thousands remaining to be processed. The board plans to turn all the questionable cards over to city Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce for investigation and possible prosecution, said board chairman Kimberley Mathis.

The board says all the questionable cards were turned in by one group - the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, commonly known as ACORN.

Brian Mellor, the group's election counsel, said that it welcomed any prosecutions of workers who turn in fraudulent cards. "We try very hard to monitor the employees, but there are chances of things slipping through," he said.

Mellor said his group pays the workers $8 an hour to register voters and not by the number of registrations they collect.

But Mellor added that he was angry that Leiendecker had said nothing about the questionable cards during a meeting Tuesday afternoon. Leiendecker replied the cards weren't the purpose of the meeting, which he said focused on missing information on some of the voter registrations.

Statewide, ACORN has turned about 40,000 new voter registrations in recent weeks, Mellor said. About 15,000 were collected in the city of St. Louis and 5,000 in St. Louis County. The rest were primarily in the Kansas City area.

ACORN's voter-registration collections have come under fire in recent weeks in several states, including Ohio and Pennsylvania. Mellor and national ACORN communications director Kevin Whelan said that most of the allegations have turned out to be unfounded. Mellor detailed the findings of various investigations into ACORN's 2004 voter-registration activities that he said also turned up no wrongdoing.

In St. Louis three years ago, the city Election Board reported finding more than 1,000 suspicious voter registration cards turned in by ACORN. No one appears to have been prosecuted in that case, although Joyce's office has obtained convictions regarding fraudulent voter-registration cards turned in by people working for other, now-defunct groups.

The latest batch of questionable cards tied to ACORN included one that attempted to register Miya Hinton, who is listed as a 20-year-old residing at an address in the 4800 block of Sacramento Avenue. It turns out that Hinton is 16 and lives at a different address in that block.

Her mother, Monique Hinton, alerted the Election Board after the family received the board's standard letter confirming the new registration. Hinton says she became concerned about how someone had obtained some of her daughter's personal information, such as the correct month and day she was born.

"Her rights are being violated," Hinton said.

Miya Hinton's signature appears to have been forged on the voter registration card, Leiendecker said.

Hundreds of the questionable voter-registration cards have suspicious signatures, with some showing similar handwriting, said Bettie Williams, board voter registration supervisor.

The circuit attorney's office said it couldn't comment until it received the cards.

Whelan and Mellor also disputed a separate controversy, ignited by a local political blog, pubdef.net, where a former ACORN employee alleged that she and other voter-registration workers had been told to promote the candidacy of state Auditor Claire McCaskill, a Democrat running for the U.S. Senate against Republican incumbent Jim Talent.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Potentially 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards in St. Louis - for those that think no shenanigans can occur with voter registration.

snipt.

Shenanigans always occur with voter registration, and with vote counting and with every aspect of voting. They always have and they always will.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: state 08
You have no right to b1tch.

This country was stolen.

Oh my, aren't we "enlightned."

Name one country that wasn't "stolen" numbskull.

OOPS!

Amen!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mugs
Because you have to pay for it. For poor people, $25 for a state ID card that they don't need for anything other than voting is a lot of money. If you live in a city you may have no need for a driver's license or ID card.

Yep. Crap like this was used against blacks after the Civil war.

A utility bill does not prove that you're you though. Unless they are putting photographs of the account holder on utility bills now. I live in an apartment complex and I get my neighbors misdirected bills all the time (including a delinquency notice that freaked me out until I noticed that the name wasn't me).

For positive identification, you need PHOTO ID.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
And the utility bill as ID has nothing to do with allowing non citizens to vote. A citizen can't vote if he provides a DL, utility bill, pilot license, or whatever IF HE IS NOT REGISTERED. Non citizens ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REGISTER.

However, it's incredibly easy for a non-citizen to steal a citizen's utility bill.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Shenanigans always occur with voter registration, and with vote counting and with every aspect of voting. They always have and they always will.

So let's not do anything to improve this situation at all. Instead, let's simply say that we can't fix it so we shouldn't try because, after all, a little fraud doesn't hurt. :roll:

ZV