Why has race relations gotten worse when laws/policies are passed to try to make it..

[agent00f]

I'm also not sure why a higher crime rate makes that okay as it is a great example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Higher crime -> more searches -> more marijuana arrests -> higher crime.

Frankly the point was never resolving crime but fulfilling the prophecy that blacks are subhuman.

Ever since institutional racism was verboten that crowd has sought some way to argue "I told you so".

 

[Painman]

I'm also not sure why a higher crime rate makes that okay as it is a great example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Higher crime -> more searches -> more marijuana arrests -> higher crime.

> more marijuana arrests

Your state is fucking retarded.

Marijuana isn't exactly legal here in MA (Soon), but possession under 1 ounce is a civil infraction. $100 ticket, confiscation of paraphernalia/stash. that's it.

Local 420 is an open secret here...

 

[fskimospy]

> more marijuana arrests

Your state is fucking retarded.

Marijuana isn't exactly legal here in MA (Soon), but possession under 1 ounce is a civil infraction. $100 ticket, confiscation of paraphernalia/stash. that's it.

Local 420 is an open secret here...

New York is in fact retarded when it comes to marijuana.

The whole stop and frisk business was the worst part too. Police would stop people in high crime/violent areas and have them turn out their pockets. If they had marijuana in them they would be arrested. This had no bearing on the supposed justification for stop and frisk, (violence), it just led to tons of pot arrests of people who otherwise never would have been stopped.

I've lived in New York for about six years now. Number of stop and frisks? Zero. I imagine I could live here 60 more and never be randomly frisked. The whole process was super racist.

 

[MongGrel]

I don't target people, that would be weird.

I think he may have magic underwear, but I do not plan on checking.

 

[Knowing]

I think he may have magic underwear, but I do not plan on checking.

lol, no. I'm not sure what religion would have to do with anything, though.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you don't support the DNC and every single one of their talking points right now, you're probably a far right wing nazi fascist ultranationalist eugenicist racist. No further evidence is required to make or support this claim.

We need a straw cleanup in aisle 5 again!

 

[Knowing]

We need a straw cleanup in aisle 5 again!

Someone else already used that line, you all should coordinate better. Also new material would be welcome.

 

[MajinCry]

Screw readin' five pages of this petty back and forth. Lord almighty.

The reason why tensions are high, is that the racism (towards African Americans, at least) is now much more available to be seen. Ergo, the African Americans get up in arms, and the white lads get all pissy because how dare they.

'Tis how it always goes.

 

[raildogg]

Laws cannot change people's values. They may try to conform their lives around the laws but it cannot change them on a deeper level.

By the way, I'm curious as to why we have become so racially and sexually focused?

Nowadays, it's not that a human has been killed by another human being - it's a black man killed by a white man. It's not that people were killed by a man, but rather, gays were. If that kind of language isn't divisive, then what is?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Laws cannot change people's values. They may try to conform their lives around the laws but it cannot change them on a deeper level.

By the way, I'm curious as to why we have become so racially and sexually focused?

Nowadays, it's not that a human has been killed by another human being - it's a black man killed by a white man. It's not that people were killed by a man, but rather, gays were. If that kind of language isn't divisive, then what is?

So basically we should just whitewash everything in order not to be divisive.

 

[agent00f]

Laws cannot change people's values. They may try to conform their lives around the laws but it cannot change them on a deeper level.

By the way, I'm curious as to why we have become so racially and sexually focused?

Nowadays, it's not that a human has been killed by another human being - it's a black man killed by a white man. It's not that people were killed by a man, but rather, gays were. If that kind of language isn't divisive, then what is?

To the contrary, federally forced desegregation/civil-rights and the subsequent general social stigma against racism it fostered is ensuring that it gradually dies off with those previous gens.

 

[raildogg]

So basically we should just whitewash everything in order not to be divisive.

Everything we are doing is divisive yet the goal appears to be to increase inclusiveness, harmony, modernity, equality and all the other BS you hear from the various media outlets and the various groups.

When you create groups that ONLY look after the interests of one particular race, religion, sexuality, etc. you are bound to create further division. There is no other way around this.

When you label people according to their various traits rather than just looking them as a fellow human, the division will grow.

So, whether purposely or through total lack of awareness, the media, politicians, educators, business leaders and everyone else are creating more and more division.

 

[fskimospy]

Laws cannot change people's values. They may try to conform their lives around the laws but it cannot change them on a deeper level.

By the way, I'm curious as to why we have become so racially and sexually focused?

Nowadays, it's not that a human has been killed by another human being - it's a black man killed by a white man. It's not that people were killed by a man, but rather, gays were. If that kind of language isn't divisive, then what is?

It has literally always been that way, it's just that more recently people have been willing to call a spade a spade.

Divisiveness is not made by people calling out racism. Divisiveness is caused by the people engaging in racism. If anything we should be discussing race more, not less.

 

[fskimospy]

Everything we are doing is divisive yet the goal appears to be to increase inclusiveness, harmony, modernity, equality and all the other BS you hear from the various media outlets and the various groups.

When you create groups that ONLY look after the interests of one particular race, religion, sexuality, etc. you are bound to create further division. There is no other way around this.

When you label people according to their various traits rather than just looking them as a fellow human, the division will grow.

So, whether purposely or through total lack of awareness, the media, politicians, educators, business leaders and everyone else are creating more and more division.

So in other words if our society engages in systemic racism against black people the NAACP is the problem?

Wut.

 

[raildogg]

To the contrary, federally forced desegregation/civil-rights and the subsequent general social stigma against racism it fostered is ensuring that it gradually dies off with those previous gens.

So racism will gradually die off because the old people who held those beliefs will be marginalized? Ok, but you don't think that racism is only a symptom of something far worse? Or is racism exists only in itself?

Please, this federally forced stuff is only at the superficial level. The government/media want some sort of strife going on all the time so they should be the last people we should look at for "bringing us together."

 

[fskimospy]

So racism will gradually die off because the old people who held those beliefs will be marginalized? Ok, but you don't think that racism is only a symptom of something far worse? Or is racism exists only in itself?

Please, this federally forced stuff is only at the superficial level. The government/media want some sort of strife going on all the time so they should be the last people we should look at for "bringing us together."

Only at the superficial level? It used to be that black people couldn't eat in white restaurants. They were barred from white schools, etc. it's not superficial at all. America has a history of absolutely insane, next level racism, that federal legislation has done a lot to address.

Racism today is still pretty pervasive but it's nowhere near as bad as it once was.

 

[raildogg]

It has literally always been that way, it's just that more recently people have been willing to call a spade a spade.

Divisiveness is not made by people calling out racism. Divisiveness is caused by the people engaging in racism. If anything we should be discussing race more, not less.

Your giving a part of the story here. The fact that blacks are only calling out white officers is because they happen to be white. So your fighting racism with racism. Great.

By the way, you can only fight something when you yourself are NOT that. If you yourself are a violent person, then you cannot "fight" violence. Same goes for racism or whatever other latest social cause that's been stirred up. Fighting racism with more racism is just stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

Your giving on a part of the story here. The fact that blacks are only calling out white officers is because they happen to be white. So your fighting racism with racism. Great.

By the way, you can only fight something when you yourself are NOT that. If you yourself are a violent person, then you cannot "fight" violence. Same goes for racism or whatever other latest social cause that's been stirred up. Fighting racism with more racism is just stupid.

So to be clear you are saying that the NAACP cannot fight anti-black racism?

 

[raildogg]

Only at the superficial level? It used to be that black people couldn't eat in white restaurants. They were barred from white schools, etc. it's not superficial at all. America has a history of absolutely insane, next level racism, that federal legislation has done a lot to address.

Racism today is still pretty pervasive but it's nowhere near as bad as it once was.

Every country has its various problems. In Asia, there exists racism, if you want to call it that, within communities that appear to be the same to the outsider. Same goes for Africa, Europe and everywhere in between. America is no exception. As humans become better externally (better hygiene, education, transportation, technology), they will create laws that make things look better. Yet the deeper fundamental issues remain.

Racism when looked at only by itself can not be resolved. A person who has a truly loving heart has no racist thoughts. This means that racism exists because we humans are not loving beings. We are hateful beings.

 

[alien42]

The fact that blacks are only calling out white officers is because they happen to be white.

unfortunately, that isn't a fact, but instead a reflection of your racial bias. from all reports, the police officer in Minnesota was Asian. there were also several black officers involved in the Freddie Gray death which lead to the riots in Baltimore.

 

[raildogg]

So to be clear you are saying that the NAACP cannot fight anti-black racism?

I don't follow NAACP and what they do. But just in the name of the organization you can see that it is not an inclusive organization (yes, that's not the goal here). They want to create "equality" it seems with a focus on non-whites.

Instead of focusing on a particular organization, why not just look at the results. It seems that there is less and less "quality" and more division at every single level. Yet, there seems to be an endless list of organizations, groups, bloggers, tweeters, websites, etc.

These people are fighting the wrong fight. You cannot change anyone else's thoughts with your little organizations - especially when you yourself aren't that which your trying to fight (heck, your not even trying to get better).

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I don't follow NAACP and what they do. But just in the name of the organization you can see that it is not an inclusive organization (yes, that's not the goal here). They want to create "equality" it seems with a focus on non-whites.

Livingston was shot and killed on the porch of his Spring Lake home by a Harnett County deputy who was investigating a reported assault. Witnesses said Livingston told deputies the couple they were looking for didn't live there, and when deputies asked to search the home, he refused because they didn't have a search warrant.

Since the incident, the FBI launched an investigation into the shooting after a grand jury decided not to pursue a criminal case.

Livingston’s family said the past six months have been difficult, especially for his teenage son, John Livingston, Jr.

“I get very emotional. We’ve been there trying to support him the whole time. It’s heartbreaking, it’s hard, but it’s got to be done,” said family friend Frankie Setzer

Arias and the family also have the support of the NAACP, who were in attendance Monday night. They vow to stand behind the family as federal investigators work.

“The NAACP will provide full, 100 percent support of your cause and to assure you that this support will be in place as long as it shall be needed,” said Steve Blackburn with the NAACP.

http://www.wral.com/family-of-harne...puty-demand-removal-of-sheriff-d-a-/15708664/

Click on the link for a picture of the deceased and his family.

 

[raildogg]

unfortunately, that isn't a fact, but instead a reflection of your racial bias. from all reports, the police officer in Minnesota was Asian. there were also several black officers involved in the Freddie Gray death which lead to the riots in Baltimore.

That was just an example I gave given the recent events. It doesn't really matter though. The values of humans are degrading rapidly and we're only looking at the symptoms of problems rather than the root of it.

t's really interesting to see crooked and flawed people wanting others to change yet they want to remain who they are.

 

[raildogg]

http://www.wral.com/family-of-harne...puty-demand-removal-of-sheriff-d-a-/15708664/

Click on the link for a picture of the deceased and his family.

I'm sorry I wasn't aware of the story. I'm sure there are a lot of similar stories. I understand what your trying to convey and thanks.

The police are a part of the greater society; that means they can be crooked and flawed just like you and I.

 

[agent00f]

So racism will gradually die off because the old people who held those beliefs will be marginalized? Ok, but you don't think that racism is only a symptom of something far worse? Or is racism exists only in itself?

Please, this federally forced stuff is only at the superficial level. The government/media want some sort of strife going on all the time so they should be the last people we should look at for "bringing us together."

If the segregation case isn't obvious enough, consider the one for emancipation which would be very hard to argue as "superficial".

Of course laws can't 100% eradicate social phenomena, but we still have law in society because they're demonstrably effective.