Why has race relations gotten worse when laws/policies are passed to try to make it..

[MongGrel]

This thread will end well.

Probably not I'm sure, of course.

I'll go out on a limb and say tea baggers, and the GOP in general the last 20 years and the general erosion of the middle class making race relations even worse than it has ever been. Gotta Globalize things and just keep on trucking for those corporations that are people.

All we need is Trump in office to completely mess things up. He can just declare the US bankrupt every three months, and say WTF are you blaming me for.

Hey, what do I know ()

 

[Victorian Gray]

How often do people get dragged behind trucks?

How often should it happen?

 

[Zaap]

Race relations haven't actually gotten worse. A lot of race-hustler types, and leftist morons WISH race relations were worse, because theirs either money and power to be had from fostering division, really DUMB political points to be scored (see morons above ^) and some just plain wish it was the deep south, circa 1950 just so they can be outraged about it.

What's really happened, is most people are sick and fucking tired of other people who take their own race too seriously, and expect everyone else to take it too seriously also.

Said people then get severely butthurt when everyone else who doesn't really give a damn won't take them overly seriously due to their race, and yell and scream that everything and everyone they disagree with is racist.

 

[someEEguy]

You can only tell people they are getting crapped on for so long. This whole police killing black people is just the latest example of the left stirring up things based on falsehoods. Black people get shot more because they shoot at cops more. Pretty simple. Cops are much more likely to get shot by a black person than a black person is to get shot by a cop.

Your logic is likely similar to the dallas sniper (or his supporters if he has any), just change the grouping in what you said and you end up with this:

You can only tell people they are getting crapped on for so long. This whole black people killing police is just the latest example of the right stirring up things based on falsehoods. Cops get shot more because they shoot at unarmed black people more (i.e. blood feud, Retribution). Pretty simple.

If you're justifying the killing of one citizen with the crime(s) of another because they both fit into some arbitrary grouping... You will convince no one in the group you're targeting that what your saying is just nor will you allay their fears but rather confirm them. Further more it is just a matter of time until you find yourself on the receiving end of this dangerous logic as many in law enforcement have (recruiting people has became increasingly difficult), many view them as dangerous thugs, criminals, liars and prejudge them (sound familiar?). In fact the people in law enforcement’s only saving grace is that they can shed the baggage of being a cop when they change out of their uniform, unlike the group of people who are the target of your ire.

Point is in a country as diverse as ours, we must treat people as individuals (particularly with respect to the justice system) or the country as a whole will cease to function (e.g. trump v. Hispanic judges fiasco).

 

[agent00f]

You're probably right that things were in a lot of ways as bad or worse only with less spotlight on them but in some ways things are probably worse now. Just bringing more attention to the issues has resulted in more anger and consternation, and I suspect that the internet kind of breeds in-group mentality. That many at least think the divide is getting worse (http://www.ibtimes.com/race-relatio...ivide-growing-relations-getting-worse-2022879) can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In some ways things are also getting worse for minorities, the 2008 recession for example has left black and hispanic people at a higher wage gap than ever:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-white-economic-gap-hasnt-budged-in-50-years/

And schools have gotten more segregated (because of white flight possibly?)

Single motherhood rates have been going up a lot over the past several decades:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...motherhood-in-america-over-the-last-50-years/

And has in particular hit black people really hard. As a more impoverished group to begin with they're also impacted more negatively by it and makes it harder for many to escape a cycle of poverty.

Economic divides along racial lines hurt race relations. Members of the disadvantaged group will often feel cheated and under more stress which will make them more resentful of the more advantaged group. Members of the more advantaged group will often (even subconsciously) look down on members of the less advantaged group, seeing them as less productive, or more dangerous due to higher crime rates that go along with poverty. The presence of such prejudices will just endlessly feed to making the prejudices on the other side more intense, in the absence of any other changes things will tend to simply escalate over time.

There has also been a lot more open discussion regarding racial relations, with concepts of privilege and aggressions being talked about everywhere in the media, social media, academia, etc. In some ways this can improve relations by getting people to be more conscious of ways in which others are oppressed and struggled, causing them to reform and push for reform in society. But in other ways this can make things worse, by making one side more bitter and more conditioned to see injustice and bigotry everywhere, and the other side feeling put on the defensive or unfairly represented. It's hard to say which way this has tipped the balance but I kind of suspect that as of right now it hasn't been for the better.

One random thing I've noticed (that may not really have anything to do with anything) is how in the 80s and 90s there were several popular TV shows starring predominantly black casts and that doesn't seem to be much of a thing anymore. There also seem to be fewer big name black actors and actresses. I wonder why that is?

One side may say that it's because society's tastes or at least those in creative decisions have shifted away from accepting and liking black people. Another side may say it's because content creators feel like their portrayal of black characters will fall under greater scrutiny and outrage (eg this, http://wearyourvoicemag.com/more/en...he-new-black-trauma-porn-written-white-people as a fan of the show I totally disagree with most of the points raised) and thus shy away from it. Who really knows.. I'd love to see the reflection of someone in the industry.

We're a nation with a short memory, because historical reality is race riots or such used to be somewhat commonplace.

With every generation we see a significant decline in culturally accepted racism; it's a practice which is slowly but surely literally dying off. The alt-right is now a categorized niche whereas it was the normal belief system before.

A fairly reliable measure of this would be Trump support, which substantially skews elderly blue collar white males, a lagging social demographic if there ever was one. This might still seem high, but recall that not 50 years ago desegregation had to be federally mandated since it couldn't hope to pass a vote even in states with 1/3 black population.

Again, the national perception of race relations is skewed because the past has been whitewashed of just how regressive it was. We like to remember MLK, but sometimes for the wrong reasons.

 

[trenchfoot]

Your logic is likely similar to the dallas sniper (or his supporters if he has any), just change the grouping in what you said and you end up with this:


If you're justifying the killing of one citizen with the crime(s) of another because they both fit into some arbitrary grouping... You will convince no one in the group you're targeting that what your saying is just nor will you allay their fears but rather confirm them. Further more it is just a matter of time until you find yourself on the receiving end of this dangerous logic as many in law enforcement have (recruiting people has became increasingly difficult), many view them as dangerous thugs, criminals, liars and prejudge them (sound familiar?). In fact the people in law enforcement’s only saving grace is that they can shed the baggage of being a cop when they change out of their uniform, unlike the group of people who are the target of your ire.

Point is in a country as diverse as ours, we must treat people as individuals (particularly with respect to the justice system) or the country as a whole will cease to function (e.g. trump v. Hispanic judges fiasco).

Words that I try to live by. By doing that we all get to understand each other a lot better, and with this understanding unjustified fears are set aside and bridges are built instead of walls. :thumbsup:

 

[Newbian]

I have two things to say here. White people are not the only racists. I'm seeing more of the violence lately, coming from non whites.

But you can't be racist against white people...

I do get a kick out of the black lives matter signs and people get heckled when they say all lives matter.

 

[buckshot24]

How often should it happen?

Not really relevant. Somebody said that people never stopped dragging people behind trucks. If this doesn't happen then the statement is false.

 

[buckshot24]

Your logic is likely similar to the dallas sniper (or his supporters if he has any), just change the grouping in what you said and you end up with this:

Huh?

If you're justifying the killing of one citizen with the crime(s) of another because they both fit into some arbitrary grouping...

I'm not justifying any police shootings, I'm telling you why they happen more with black people. They shoot at the cops more and the cops shoot back. Explaining why things happen isn't justifying them.

You will convince no one in the group you're targeting that what your saying is just nor will you allay their fears but rather confirm them. Further more it is just a matter of time until you find yourself on the receiving end of this dangerous logic as many in law enforcement have (recruiting people has became increasingly difficult), many view them as dangerous thugs, criminals, liars and prejudge them (sound familiar?). In fact the people in law enforcement’s only saving grace is that they can shed the baggage of being a cop when they change out of their uniform, unlike the group of people who are the target of your ire.

Yes, I'm upset at people who shoot at cops, regardless of their race. It just so happens that more black people do this proportionately speaking. I don't have any "ire" for black people I have it for people shooting cops. Stop shooting cops and they won't shoot back as much.

I do have ire for the liars who mis-state the facts. The left makes every case about race when they have no idea if it was. It gets people upset when they shouldn't be. Cops aren't out to get black people.

Point is in a country as diverse as ours, we must treat people as individuals (particularly with respect to the justice system) or the country as a whole will cease to function (e.g. trump v. Hispanic judges fiasco).

I totally agree, we should treat these incidents as individual incidents and not make them about other incidents when they could be completely unrelated.

 

[JEDI]

Funny how you've chosen to blame the president, I thought he was proof that racism was over? Wasn't that the talking point a few years ago???

I thought of it as people rather have a black man than a woman (Hilary) as pres.
Misogyny > racism

edit:
and of course, the nation preferred any Dem (black or female) over a Repub

 

[theeedude]

Which laws were passed recently to make race relations better? I know Republicans on SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act, and a lot of voter suppression laws passed in the states, targeting minority turnout. Are those the laws that OP is talking about?

 

[Jhhnn]

Worse now than when the piece of shit in the White House took the oath of office.

Yeh, lots of conservatives were smug in their "I'm not really racist" headset until it came to that test, huh?

Not to mention that a lot of other people let them get over that way.

Some conservatives hated clinton with the same vehemence but this has a whole different flavor. It really turned their world upside down & they've been reacting poorly. It's visceral, about how they feel, but they can't look at themselves squarely & say it's wrong. It's a form of emotional control they can't find.

 

[someEEguy]

Huh?
I'm not justifying any police shootings, I'm telling you why they happen more with black people. They shoot at the cops more and the cops shoot back. Explaining why things happen isn't justifying them.

Yes, I'm upset at people who shoot at cops, regardless of their race. It just so happens that more black people do this proportionately speaking. I don't have any "ire" for black people I have it for people shooting cops. Stop shooting cops and they won't shoot back as much.

I do have ire for the liars who mis-state the facts. The left makes every case about race when they have no idea if it was. It gets people upset when they shouldn't be. Cops aren't out to get black people.

I totally agree, we should treat these incidents as individual incidents and not make them about other incidents when they could be completely unrelated.

The vast majority of the cases that people are upset about, did not involve black individuals who were shooting at police. So with that this is what I gather from what you're saying... Black people shoot at the police disproportionately. Thus black individuals, who are not shooting at police should expect to be shot at by the police disproportionately because they are members of the larger group "Black people". Correct?

 

[Jaskalas]

The vast majority of the cases that people are upset about, did not involve black individuals who were shooting at police. So with that this is what I gather from what you're saying... Black people shoot at the police disproportionately. Thus black individuals, who are not shooting at police should expect to be shot at by the police disproportionately because they are members of the larger group "Black people". Correct?

People profile when their lives are on the line, yes.

 

[TheGardener]

I'll go out on a limb and say tea baggers, and the GOP in general the last 20 years and the general erosion of the middle class making race relations even worse than it has ever been. Gotta Globalize things and just keep on trucking for those corporations that are people.

Oh please, you just enjoy making things up don't you. Let's see NAFTA was negotiated and signed by, wait what was his name.....hmmm, hmmm, hmmm

Oh ya, President Bill Clinton with a D after his name. And President Obama is doubling and tripling down with new major "trade" deals. The deterioration of the middle class was the result of efforts by both main stream Democrats and Republicans. And it has nothing to do with the Tea Party. If you are going to espouse your ignorance or worse lies, expect to be called on it.

 

[buckshot24]

The vast majority of the cases that people are upset about, did not involve black individuals who were shooting at police.

An unarmed white guy was just shot by cops, nobody makes a peep. The correlation between black people getting shot and black people shooting cops is pretty strong. The only cases that get blown out of proportion are black people being shot. Just look at that Michael Brown case, he clearly was the aggressor and because he was black it became a movement. White guy, unarmed gets shot by cops media makes no mention of it.

So with that this is what I gather from what you're saying... Black people shoot at the police disproportionately. Thus black individuals, who are not shooting at police should expect to be shot at by the police disproportionately because they are members of the larger group "Black people". Correct?

No. It explains the disparity, anecdotal cases don't prove a trend.

 

[TheGardener]

Race relations are approaching the level of the 1960's. I know I lived through it. It has gotten significantly worse in the last 8 years, under the leadership of the Community Organizer In Chief. Things have gotten even worse in the last couple of years.

The reason is the reduction of police presence in the crime areas. Despite what the racial arsonists and the national media espouse, most people who live in these neighborhoods welcome the presence of police. Black on black crime has exploded. In less than 2 weeks (July), there have been 15 homicides in Chicago and another 106 shot and wounded. Year to date in Chicago, 346 homicides and 1779 shot and wounded. In one US city, that is equivalent to what the US was seeing for casualties in Iraq. Start adding up the top 25 cities. I don't have the numbers.

http://heyjackass.com/


I put it squarely on the current administration, which is trying to undermine the police in major cities, by reinforcing that too many blacks are being incarcerated. Apparently the crimes committed are very disproportion for blacks versus other races. The administrations policies are getting cops and innocent bystanders killed, as well young black people.

This a book I want to read. It just came out last month. The War On Cops by Heather MacDonald.

https://www.amazon.com/War-Cops-Attack-Order-Everyone/dp/1594038759

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

People profile when their lives are on the line, yes.

They use common sense, you mean? Oh gee who wudda thunk it.

Whether people want to admit it or not, statistics do not lie. Your body and your mind won't let you ignore them when it comes to life or death situations.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Oh please, you just enjoy making things up don't you. Let's see NAFTA was negotiated and signed by, wait what was his name.....hmmm, hmmm, hmmm

Oh ya, President Bill Clinton with a D after his name. And President Obama is doubling and tripling down with new major "trade" deals. The deterioration of the middle class was the result of efforts by both main stream Democrats and Republicans. And it has nothing to do with the Tea Party. If you are going to espouse your ignorance or worse lies, expect to be called on it.

Don't forget DOMA as well. I mean, Bill was just looking out for gays as well amirite?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This thread gives a pretty good look at why things have gotten worse.

 

[WHAMPOM]

better?

Because we can no longer turn a blind eye to racist acts when against the law and can be reported without fear of retaliation.

 

[Indus]

Probably not I'm sure, of course.

I'll go out on a limb and say tea baggers, and the GOP in general the last 20 years and the general erosion of the middle class making race relations even worse than it has ever been. Gotta Globalize things and just keep on trucking for those corporations that are people.

All we need is Trump in office to completely mess things up. He can just declare the US bankrupt every three months, and say WTF are you blaming me for.

Hey, what do I know ()

These conservaterrorists and their media outlets have been so tied up promoting the ring wing neocon populace that they will not cover anything to do with suppression of the masses. Their own video coverage has been manipulated to create more outrage and distrust.

And then they ask us why we have 0 trust in faux news, globalizaton, global trade deals and leaders/ politicians who can be bought.

The problem is them, not the left because they've been brainwashed into believing we're the scum of the earth when we're just everyday normal people and we're not the ones screaming "Go back to Auschwitz" unlike Trumpeters of Hate and Violence.

 

[Jhhnn]

This thread gives a pretty good look at why things have gotten worse.

Yeh, it's Hell when uppity minorities won't keep to their place, huh?

Especially Obama. I mean, he defiles the Oval Office, doesn't he?

 

[buckshot24]

Yeh, it's Hell when uppity minorities won't keep to their place, huh?

Especially Obama. I mean, he defiles the Oval Office, doesn't he?

If they quit shooting at cops then cops would quit shooting at them. Being uppity doesn't mean shooting at cops.

 

[Knowing]

Because the legislation is passed in order to correct a perceived ill with society based on partisan assumptions, rather than to formally sanction an activity that is already socially sanctioned (or encourage an activity that is already socially encouraged).

tl;dr - see all the facebook "THERE OUGHTA BE A LAW" posts