Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
The entire 6 series takes the crown? So tell me, what PCI-E NV is better for the money than the XL? 6800GT? Nope far too expensive, and virtually the same speed. 6800NU? Nope, still too expensive, and much slower. 6600GT? Cheaper, but far, far too slow. Even the XL AGP card doesnt have any competition.
3 games (one being a year old) do not make one card better, than the other. Especially when you cant use a standard such as AA, and the HDR kills frames. Of course thats subjective, to some people it matters, to me it doesnt.
So tell me. What ATI card in existense has a more advanced feature set than a GeForce 6800U, or a 6800GT, or a 6800nu, or a 6600GT, or a 6600, or a 6200, or a 6200TC?
And if your going to quote me, do it right and quote what I say in context. Cutting off words will make people think you're reaching.
Be back later. Going to movies.
1. I didnt quote you, so I didnt cut you off.
2. You edited your reply, adding 10x more than you had the first time.
3. I never said NV cards dont have more features. I think overall they do.
The next part is my opinion.
The simple truth to me is that less than 1% of games make use of PS/SM3.0 to this point. While it is true more games will support it, Farcry has shown that PS2.0b can give the same speed boost that PS3.0 can. Can future games? I dont know.
SM3.0 has shown with HDR in Farcry and SP, that it will kill framerates. Combine that with the fact that AA doesnt work with it in Farcry or SP with HDR, and it makes it less appealing. While I
would like the option to at least try it, as apposed to not, when I tried it, it wasnt worth the performance hit to me. I had to turn down my in-game settings, to get playable frames. Doing that, with no AA, was not a trade off I was willing to make. That and it looked too fake most of the time.
I have not played SP, with HDR. I have however seen screenies with frames enabled, and the difference is pretty large. I do think HDR looks good in it, much more real, and better than done in Farcry. But again, no AA is a huge factor to me. I would probably only use 2x though, as Im at a very high res now. Not as much as a factor to me, as when I tried Farcry, and was only at 1280x1024 with my LCD.
I also havent played Riddick yet, I hear its great, and plan to when the price is $20 or so. I havent seen any shots of the shadows, or what kind of hit it takes (if any) when enabling them.
There are more games coming out that support PS/SM3.0, and thats only a good thing. I do think people are naive if they think their 6600GT, or even a 6800GT will be fast enough in the years to come with features like HDR (if it takes the same hit as present day games). SLI doesnt give any boost at all in Farcry with HDR on, no idea if it will in future games.
The way I see it is, a NV SLI setup, is the fastest setup out, as long as the game works correctly with SLI. And if your WS LCD does as well. There really is no debate, its fast, very fast when working properly. It should be faster though, as you pay a pretty penny, more than 2x the price of one card, once you factor in the other parts needed. That being said, I am glad to see it come to pass.
As far as single cards go, I dont think NV owns all markets. I do think they have the sub $200 market firmly, as the 6600GT is a terrific card for the price. However, for $250 (PCI-E, little more for AGP) the X800XL really has no competition. Its much faster than the 6800NU, and cheaper. About the same speed as the 6800GT, and much, much cheaper. Is PS/SM3.0 worth an extra $100 between the XL and GT? Not to me its not. Its not like the Pro vs. the GT, where the GT was just the better card. I traded my Pro, for a GT, and was happy with the trade. I did only use PS/SM3.0 once in 6 months though, and not for very long. Because as I said, I wasnt happy with the hit HDR took. But at least I got to try it.
The highend is very debatable, I think you can make an argument for either the 6800U, or XT. I think the XT is overall faster, but the 6800U can do more in those few games. I think its up to the end user to weigh out the differences. There is no 100% better card, I dont think. Different people have different needs, and wants. Just as SLI isnt for everyone, although some people cant seem to grasp that simple concept.
I dont know why I rambled all that off, killing time waiting for dinner to get ready I guess...
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