Why don't you carry a gun?

[MtnMan]

So, you're gonna shoot someone in the back who is running away from you? Kind of hard to prove self defense in that situation...

Your last paragraph is laughable. So anyone who doesn't carry a concealed weapon isn't responsible and doesn't care about their family? And before anyone screams strawman, read his comments first. He's pretty much implying this.

It's a good thing these two dumbfucks (both CCW holders) were armed. Now they're both dead. Kind of hard to provide for your family when you're dead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/michigan-concealed-carry-road-rage-two-dead_n_3956491.html

I would expect nothing less from someone living in the socialist state of california, where many rights guaranteed by the US constitution have been suspended.

My god, there is a state house of some really stupid people in your state, and guess who put them there, the people of your state. Yes, you are judged by the company you keep.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The gun in the hand of a bad guy is used to intimidate the victim into complying with his demands, and unless they are strung out on something have no intent to shoot, just intimidate.

When the victim immediately draws and fires, the bad guy still hasn't had time to react to the reality that his intended victim is armed and actively shooting. That reaction time gives the advantage to the intended victim.

The bad guy probably doesn't train with their gun either, and will be less able to place rounds where they want them. I train to put two rounds center mass, follow by two rounds to the head if needed.

Or the guy is totally strung out on something and is going to shoot anyway, and that is why I carry with critical defense rounds, in my defensive guns, for those that won't stop until you have broken their body to the point they can't do anything but fall down.

Blah blah blah blah blah...

Tell me Josey, when have you ever seen a bad guy with a gun in real life?

By the way, we had a fire in my house when I was a kid. And do you know what I did? I called the fire department.

 

[xj0hnx]

If I ever get a permit for a gun (and permit for a permit from my wife ), I would 99,9% keep it at home, because I strongly believe it's pretty useless if something bad happens anyway, mostly because 1) normal people don't have the training and reflexes of military, law enforcement or the like, and 2) when something bad enough that'd justify pulling a gun out happens, it's usually so quick and so surprising you don't have time to react anyway.

Depending on the unit, civilians that go to a range more than twice a year are as trained as many military personel, and most cops. Marksmanship is only two weeks, and then range qualifications maybe once a year, if that for some branches. Also, military training doesn't really cover things like getting mugged, or handling home invasions, unless you're carrying a SAW, M16A"X", and living/running around town with 32 other people, and want to lay down a base of fire on, or ambush a carjacker. Police are probably more familiar by default because they carry all the time, but range time is still at a minimum, though they do get more training, but the majority of their success is through sheer numbers, almost always have a partner, and back up, and they call numerous other units to any scene that they can't handle. Civilians can't jump on a radio and call fifty other civilians to help them out. Check out the videos of cops getting shot, it's almost always a loner.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I would expect nothing less from someone living in the socialist state of california, where many rights guaranteed by the US constitution have been suspended.

My god, there is a state house of some really stupid people in your state, and guess who put them there, the people of your state. Yes, you are judged by the company you keep.

And there is no state I'd rather live than California.

I own plenty of guns but gun ownership does not define who I am. You want to carry? Fine. I don't.

 

[alkemyst]

With due respect, perhaps you should probably pay closer attention. Many don't make the evening news anymore unless someone is hurt, or as recently kidnapped a 14 year old because they didn't get enough money.

There are many factors, a bad economy, unemployment, and drugs are pretty universal across the country.

There are also those the deny that the drug problem doesn't exist in their fair city, when the drug problem is often the driving force behind much of the property and violent crime in every city and town in the country.

I am saying it's not as a safe place as you said it was then.

 

[waggy]

That is a stupid fucking comparison and I never said we don't need guns because we have cops.

you may not have. but i have seen enough fucking idiots say it.


it makes me laugh too. not everyone lives in a urban setting w here cops are around. we don't have city cops. just state and county (btw my county is huge!). it takes a little while for them to get here.

Same with firetrucks. IF my house catches on fire the fire trucks will be here to far to late.

we know that. that's why we have a nice system in the house in case of a fire. from smoke alarms, heat alarms, fire extinguishers in 3 rooms. EVERY room upstairs (well not the bathroom) has rope ladders and break out windows (easy to push out and climb down).

do i expect to ever use them? I would be just as happy to never use them, but im ready. same idea behind a gun for home defense. will i ever use them? again i would be just as happy to have "wasted" my money buying it and never use it.

And there is no state I'd rather live than California.

I own plenty of guns but gun ownership does not define who I am. You want to carry? Fine. I don't.

exactly and that's all that needs to be said. To many would rather put down those that choose to, or say other silly things.

Though i will say if you choose to carry please actually be trained and have a IQ above 75...

 

[MtnMan]

I am saying it's not as a safe place as you said it was then.

Statistically it is as safe or safer than most cities of the same size.

 

[Scotteq]

That is a stupid fucking comparison and I never said we don't need guns because we have cops.

you may not have. but i have seen enough fucking idiots say it...

The Police are to Crime what Waste Management Inc is to Garbage: They come along after the fact and cart the remains away so the rest of us don't have to smell it rot in the streets.

 

[boomerang]

The Police are to Crime what Waste Management Inc is to Garbage: They come along after the fact and cart the remains away so the rest of us don't have to smell it rot in the streets.

I like that! Is it your own?

 

[sixone]

The Police are to Crime what Waste Management Inc is to Garbage: They come along after the fact and cart the remains away so the rest of us don't have to smell it rot in the streets.

Great analogy. :thumbsup:

 

[Markbnj]

The Police are to Crime what Waste Management Inc is to Garbage: They come along after the fact and cart the remains away so the rest of us don't have to smell it rot in the streets.

I have to agree. The last time Waste Management came to pick up the garbage at our place all the tin cans started throwing shit at them, then the bottles started fighting, and the trash guy had to jump into the garbage can and subdue the combatants. It was gruesome, but not as gruesome as last week, when a seemingly placid ball of crumpled newspaper killed a driver. Hope that doesn't happen again.

 

[rudeguy]

I have to agree. The last time Waste Management came to pick up the garbage at our place all the tin cans started throwing shit at them, then the bottles started fighting, and the trash guy had to jump into the garbage can and subdue the combatants. It was gruesome, but not as gruesome as last week, when a seemingly placid ball of crumpled newspaper killed a driver. Hope that doesn't happen again.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Staples]

I complain about my keychain and cell phone being too heavy. Imagine a few pounds of metal in my pocket.

Also, I feel it is unnecessary. Most homicides are targeted. Who would want to hurt me?

 

[slayer202]

this is too easy...

 

[Doppel]

Certain family members would not support it, but also i suppose even in absence of that I likely would not bother to regularly carry. I go to work, upscale malls (as far as such a thing exists), stay in the suburbs, etc. violent crime isn't a thing here; it literally is no concern whatsoever.

 

[waggy]

I have to agree. The last time Waste Management came to pick up the garbage at our place all the tin cans started throwing shit at them, then the bottles started fighting, and the trash guy had to jump into the garbage can and subdue the combatants. It was gruesome, but not as gruesome as last week, when a seemingly placid ball of crumpled newspaper killed a driver. Hope that doesn't happen again.

I think you need to lay off the crack.

 

[rudeguy]

I think you need to lay off the crack.

"I'm goingto be clever and compare a cop to trash. It's going to show those morons. This is going to be great! "

But you have to say it with a Gomer Pyle voice

 

[Svnla]

I complain about my keychain and cell phone being too heavy. Imagine a few pounds of metal in my pocket.

Also, I feel it is unnecessary. Most homicides are targeted. Who would want to hurt me?

The Glock 26 Gen4 (not the lightest concealed gun) that I have (see my post above) is 26.12 oz. or a little over 1.5 lbs when loaded.

You can get smaller/lighter guns such as Ruger LC9, Beretta Nano, S&W Shield if necessary or .380 caliber guns for even lesser weight/smaller size (Ruger LC380 is a tad over 1 lb when loaded).

Also, you don't put them guns in your pocket but in the holster, or that is what I will do.

 

[OCNewbie]

My answer: they're not free (so I don't own one at all, I wouldn't mind having one at home) and I don't generally find myself in places where I feel vulnerable or think having a gun on me would be a good idea.

 

[IEC]

I don't carry all the time because it's a hassle and a heavy responsibility. I prefer to use my brain and be alert to my surroundings to actively avoid trouble. If I'm in a situation where I need a weapon it's because I've run out of options. That said, I am at minimum carrying a pocket knife, though that has practicality beyond self defense.

I hope to never again need to use my handgun. Not interested in saying anything further on that subject.

For those who are saying they live in nice neighborhoods and will *never* need a gun or other weapon: I was like you too. We think it can never happen to us or anyone in our nice neighborhoods - until it does. It is best to be prepared, even if there is admittedly a fine line between preparation and paranoia.

 

[mammador]

No, since it's illegal in my country.

And I don't get why people need guns in modern society. Especially those "evil" semi-automatic weapons haha..

 

[mmntech]

It's illegal to carry a gun here. Even if it wasn't, I don't see a need too. Canada's a fairly safe country and random acts of violence are rare. I'm not anti-gun. However, I see shooting as more sport than practical self defense. I have never fired a gun though I have gone target shooting with a bow, and I definitely see why people enjoy it.

I think people, Americans especially, tend to overestimate how effective a gun is for self defense. Mostly because people really don't know how they would react in a stressful situation. A gun might scare off a mugger, but what if it doesn't. Are you prepared to enter a standoff with that person? It's a position you really don't want to be in. Especially with no tactical training. Most cases where someone heroically uses their gun to fend off bad guys, the vast majority of the time they're ex-military or ex-law enforcement. Everyone likes to imagine themselves as the heroic cowboy, but I don't think things pan out that well in the real world. Especially when every instinct is telling you to haul your ass out of there. You don't want to escalate things. The key is knowing how to defuse a dangerous situation before it comes to violence. Weapons should only be used as a tool of absolute last resort, when all other options are exhausted.

The question to really ask here is why Americans feel the need to carry a weapon at all. Especially when other similar western countries don't seem to have the same level of perceived violence than the United States does. Is it a cultural thing?

 

[mammador]

And maybe your culture of policing has to change.

Perhaps your police should actively seek to stop crime, not just catch criminals once they are reported. So in the US, if a man hit his wife in a busy shopping mall, and there were police in view, they wouldn't apprehend the man unless the wife submitted a report? lol... I was born and lived in the UK for much of my life, and our police are duty bound to catch any criminal process in the act and charge them immediately.

 

[mammador]

Oh, I forgot. King George will put back some British puppet as US president, so yeah, all Americans need guns. Watch out, King George as we speak is plotting to install one of his ministers as the next US president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9eH7tbeKEM

 

[boomerang]

And maybe your culture of policing has to change.

Perhaps your police should actively seek to stop crime, not just catch criminals once they are reported. So in the US, if a man hit his wife in a busy shopping mall, and there were police in view, they wouldn't apprehend the man unless the wife submitted a report? lol... I was born and lived in the UK for much of my life, and our police are duty bound to catch any criminal process in the act and charge them immediately.

Sigh...it's the same here. If you don't know that much about how we operate over here you have no business commenting at all on what's going on over here.

How absurd to think that the Police just stand there.