why don't we make people work for unemployment checks

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

No, it is called conscription. But we are not talking about forcing people to, we are talking about paying them to.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

courts

 

[JDub02]

I have a better idea. Lets do away with unemployment benefits and government welfare completely. Unemployment is an excuse for people to be lazy.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

No, it is called conscription. But we are not talking about forcing people to, we are talking about paying them to.

So they're being paid to work. Are they still unemployed?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: JDub02
I have a better idea. Lets do away with unemployment benefits and government welfare completely. Unemployment is an excuse for people to be lazy.

Or privatize it, the insurance business when done correctly is a very profitable. With this method, it's off the governments hands and at the same time do away with unemployment tax, this will allow for a higher starting salary across the board. Then during the hiring process, an individual can either opt in or out of unemployment insurance(like any other insurance) and should they be laid off, they get nothing. Or if they opt in, then just like it is now, they get 6 months worth of paychecks.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

courts

Yay! Obviously the courts have enough free time that we should give them more work to do too!

The government should force you to volunteer 10 hours a week before you can cash your paycheck. I don't believe you're being productive enough, particularly given the fact that you're probably at "work" now.

Every point you have tried to bring up has been thoroughly debunked multiple times. Are you some kind of glutton for punishment?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

courts

Yay! Obviously the courts have enough free time that we should give them more work to do too!

The government should force you to volunteer 10 hours a week before you can cash your paycheck. I don't believe you're being productive enough, particularly given the fact that you're probably at "work" now.

Every point you have tried to bring up has been thoroughly debunked multiple times. Are you some kind of glutton for punishment?

Thats not what I was saying man. i was saying courts order community service all the time. Its still community service even though it may be "involuntary" . That was my point.

 

[jlee]

The obvious solution is that IcebergSlim should stop "thinking" and start "volunteering".

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Thats not what I was saying man. i was saying courts order community service all the time. Its still community service even though it may be "involuntary" . That was my point.

The courts order community service on people who broke the law... it's a punishment. People who got laid off got punished enough but you want the courts to punish them more by enforcing community service on them? 😕

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee
The obvious solution is that IcebergSlim should stop "thinking" and start "volunteering".

I do volunteer for habitat and special olympics yearly for well over a dozen years now. I also have a couple hundred hours logged at the Connecticut food bank .

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: JDub02
I have a better idea. Lets do away with unemployment benefits and government welfare completely. Unemployment is an excuse for people to be lazy.

Or privatize it, the insurance business when done correctly is a very profitable. With this method, it's off the governments hands and at the same time do away with unemployment tax, this will allow for a higher starting salary across the board. Then during the hiring process, an individual can either opt in or out of unemployment insurance(like any other insurance) and should they be laid off, they get nothing. Or if they opt in, then just like it is now, they get 6 months worth of paychecks.

Can you prove there is a critical issue that would necessitate such drastic action? (Other than the delusions in the OP's head of course.) A lot of these arguments sound derivative from the Protestant ethic of "work is always virtuous". I am really confused about the motivation of some people on here.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

courts

Yay! Obviously the courts have enough free time that we should give them more work to do too!

The government should force you to volunteer 10 hours a week before you can cash your paycheck. I don't believe you're being productive enough, particularly given the fact that you're probably at "work" now.

Every point you have tried to bring up has been thoroughly debunked multiple times. Are you some kind of glutton for punishment?

Thats not what I was saying man. i was saying courts order community service all the time. Its still community service even though it may be "involuntary" . That was my point.

Involuntary court-ordered community service is not volunteering.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Wheezer

GF has applied to some ~200 jobs (no joke) over the previous 5 months. She's gotten maybe 3 interviews out of that. Her problem? Overqualified.

well, I would say that is time to take a step back and see what the fuck she is doing wrong to present herself as "over qualified"...perhaps dial back the resume for starters...200 applications and all state she is "over qualified"?....see, there is a common denominator here....YOUR GF.... she better learn what her mistakes are and figure out how to fix it or she'll never get a job.

It isn't nearly as uncommon as you may think in this market depending on the industry. The kinds of jobs that are becoming regularly available are typically not for those with a mid level amount of experience. However, there are many people that are unemployed right now with that experience. While these people would prefer to take a job that is at their level, these jobs are very rarely available and whenever one becomes available you are competing against a MASSIVE amount of other people that are in the same boat as you. So, they resort to applying for positions that are below their level of experience that they are overqualified for because it is better than no job at all in some cases.

Meanwhile, those who are interviewing and hiring for those low level positions do not take these overqualified individuals. One of the main reasons why is job security. These managers do not want to hire someone that they have to compete with. They want to hire someone that they can manage without having to worry about their own security in this very fragile and scary job market.


My SO went through the exact same problem not too long ago. She is an assistant controller and she was applying for low level payroll positions because options were way too limited otherwise. 🙁

Exactly my GF's problem. She's been in the US for 5 years now, and after leaving her high-level position in Latvia (departmental director on her City Council), she was taking whatever menial tasks people would offer her over here: Part-time temp work like photopshopping Sunday inserts. The problem with that one, is that her output was double everyone else's, so she may have invariably led to her group being laid off--(this was a few years ago).

She was an admin assistant at Kellogg School of Management for the previous 2 years, and while her contacts there are spectacular (she basically left with "best employee ever" status based on her boss's review), it hasn't done much in this economy. She's the type that doesn't sell herself short at whatever task she approaches, and clearly has no qualms about settling for a lower pay grade.

Of course, it also doesn't help that we moved to a community with a saturation of PhD's, who in a more positive economy will still be found waiting tables. 🙁

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Well, let's use another great example then. Oranges are orange, we should call them windlybobs.

Hey...when you're done with those windlybobs, can I get one?

Help yourself, there's plenty of windlybobs for everyone!

You are required to volunteer 15-20 hours per week to have one though...


Hmmm, if you're forced to do it, does it still qualify as "Volunteering?"

courts

Yay! Obviously the courts have enough free time that we should give them more work to do too!

The government should force you to volunteer 10 hours a week before you can cash your paycheck. I don't believe you're being productive enough, particularly given the fact that you're probably at "work" now.

Every point you have tried to bring up has been thoroughly debunked multiple times. Are you some kind of glutton for punishment?

Thats not what I was saying man. i was saying courts order community service all the time. Its still community service even though it may be "involuntary" . That was my point.

Involuntary court-ordered community service is not volunteering.

I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

Hmm, I can see it now...

Potential employer: Can you come in on Tuesday for an interview?
Applicant: Sorry no, Tuesday is my mandatory Unemployment-Community-Service-Day. How about Thursday?
Potential employer: Sorry no, the people you need to interview with will be out Thursday. We'll just move on to the next applicant.

:roll:

lol you can volunteer any day you want that's what makes it great. you have 1 week to volunteer 5 or 10 hours any time you like any organization you like. IT could be sunday when your not interviewing anywhere because everything is closed. Who cares when it is. When courts issue community service they don't care when or how you get it done they just care that its done by the deadline specified. if you have 6 months and you wait until the last week it makes no difference to them.

like with any job, volunteer work has schedules. You're not going to assign 5 volunteers to the same time-slot, are you?

It's odd that you seem such a staunch proponent of volunteer service, yet you display a remarkable ignorance as to how it actually works. Heck, one might even think you haven't volunteered a day in your life.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

if I was getting a tax refund every week I'd like do community service every week.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
If they were working they wouldn't be able to look for work.

15 - 20 hours per week seems reasonable. You can knock that out in 2-3 days then have the rest of the week for job search.

one of my tenants was laid off 2 months ago. He's been riding the unemployment gravy train for 2 months. been on 1 interview. If he was doing 15-20 hours of mandatory volunteer work he'd prob have more incentive not to be such a degenerate.

Hmm, I can see it now...

Potential employer: Can you come in on Tuesday for an interview?
Applicant: Sorry no, Tuesday is my mandatory Unemployment-Community-Service-Day. How about Thursday?
Potential employer: Sorry no, the people you need to interview with will be out Thursday. We'll just move on to the next applicant.

:roll:

lol you can volunteer any day you want that's what makes it great. you have 1 week to volunteer 5 or 10 hours any time you like any organization you like. IT could be sunday when your not interviewing anywhere because everything is closed. Who cares when it is. When courts issue community service they don't care when or how you get it done they just care that its done by the deadline specified. if you have 6 months and you wait until the last week it makes no difference to them.

like with any job, volunteer work has schedules. You're not going to assign 5 volunteers to the same time-slot, are you?

It's odd that you seem such a staunch proponent of volunteer service, yet you display a remarkable ignorance as to how it actually works. Heck, one might even think you haven't volunteered a day in your life.

Im just not familiar with overstaffed community service organizations I guess.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

In other words, you just blatantly screwed up. 😛

I'm going to bed. Have fun everybody.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I didn't say it was I said it was still community service. Who cares if its voluntary the community is still benefiting. Which would be a primary goal of the program.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Yes why can't they say hey we've been paying you in blind faith for 2 months now in order to still recieve benefits you have to volunteer x hours per week

replace volunteer with community service and get over it.

But what is your basis for ordering community service on the unemployed? What did they do wrong? Because the type of community service you're describing now is a form of punishment.

 

[Kadarin]

I didn't read the entire thread, but from what I've seen so far the OP comes across as a douchebag who has never himself faced unemployment. This thread is like reading the opinion of a teenager who thinks he knows everything.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
just some numbers 4.78m currently receiving benefits.

if they had to do only 5 hours of community service per week that would be nearly 100m man hours in a month. Think about what could be done to benefit communities and society in general with that kind of labor force.

There are 107million people getting tax refunds this year, if we made them all work just 5 hours of community service a week we would get like 2 billion man hours a month!

if I was getting a tax refund every week I'd like do community service every week.

Then why not change the rules, why not cut up tax refunds into 50 micro payments and make people do service to get each one?