Why dont people who overdose get jailed?

[Ruptga]

You're quite the little kid with those big word insults, aren't you?

I woud have a wall on the border like Trump wants. Combined with drones using FLIR it can be greatly diminished.

25 to life for a pusher gives them something to think about.

Not that any of that has anything to do with the rhetorical question that was asked, but...

Fact is that the demand for high prison sentences is what people smarter than you call inelastic. That means that people will risk going to prison for far longer than is sane because after a certain point they stop giving a fuck. "4 years, 20 years, my life as I know it is over either way so fuck it." (un)Ironically, demand for long prison sentences is inelastic on the other side of the system too, where people like you call for longer and longer sentences regardless of the outcome or lack of outcome.

 

[Rakehellion]

You're quite the little kid with those big word insults, aren't you?

I woud have a wall on the border like Trump wants. Combined with drones using FLIR it can be greatly diminished.

25 to life for a pusher gives them something to think about.

Yes, a wall around the border will stop ships and planes carrying drugs. Great plan, dumbass.

Also, you didn't address the thousands of people who are murdered because of the drug trafficking industry. I guess you'll reduce the penalty for murder to a misdemeanor to balance things out, right?

 

[lxskllr]

I think we should outsource our prison system. China, Mexico, India, Brazil, Russia, these country would be more than willing to do it and we would save a ton of money and can jail more people. I think 99% plus people who are caught either selling or taking drugs are no good for the society anyways, they will never contribute anything meaningful. Since they are in prison the location doesn't really matter. Many prisons are experimenting with video visitation so that takes care of that. We can do it people.

I'd legalize all drugs, and let people do what they want. That gets rid of all the violence, and most of the money since the cost comes from artificial scarcity. Aside from that, it isn't government's business what people do with their bodies.

 

[DesiPower]

I'd legalize all drugs, and let people do what they want. That gets rid of all the violence, and most of the money since the cost comes from artificial scarcity. Aside from that, it isn't government's business what people do with their bodies.

Wow...

 

[John Connor]

Yes, a wall around the border will stop ships and planes carrying drugs. Great plan, dumbass.

Great argument. If you don't agree with them call 'em out and say names.

I've seen your kind before, but I had to pay admission...."dumb ass!" How's that grab you... "dumb ass?"

Now be a "dumb ass" and post more third grade shit.

I'm all well aware of the other vectors.

 

[CZroe]

Wow...

Libertarian perspective.

 

[keird]

I'd legalize all drugs, and let people do what they want. That gets rid of all the violence, and most of the money since the cost comes from artificial scarcity. Aside from that, it isn't government's business what people do with their bodies.

I have a coworker that told me this and it made me think for awhile. While not untrue, how did we ever manage to make tobacco use plummet in this country? Why is marijuana and heroin use skyrocketing? Is it because of popular opinion for or against?

Pro-Family. Pro-Choice. Pro-Anal.

 

[lxskllr]

I have a coworker that told me this and it made me think for awhile. While not untrue, how did we ever manage to make tobacco use plummet in this country? Why is marijuana and heroin use skyrocketing? Is it because of popular opinion for or against?

Tobacco? Sustained government pressure against it. Heroin? Over-prescribing of opiate painkillers, and the cost thereof. I don't know that marijuana use is "skyrocketing". I think it's increased slightly, but people are more honest about it now.

It's not the government's place to legislate my health. I was issued two parents at birth, and the government's not my extra mommy. Their job stops at policing fraudulent claims, and guaranteeing purity of commercially sold products.

 

[BUTCH1]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

While the problem with drugs in our society is undeniable is the answer locking every one away for decades?. We already have some states with tough drug laws and guess what, it didn't help. The profit to be made is so great there will always be more people waiting to fill the vacuum. Meanwhile we already have massive jail overcrowding due to politicians who like to pass "get tough" mandatory-minimum laws, looks great come re-election time but someone has to PAY for all those people's food, healthcare, ect. That would be YOU.

 

[BUTCH1]

I'd legalize all drugs, and let people do what they want. That gets rid of all the violence, and most of the money since the cost comes from artificial scarcity. Aside from that, it isn't government's business what people do with their bodies.

Thank you. it's laughable that the Government lets big tobacco do business as usual with 425,000 people/year dying from it's side effects but someone in Nevada faces a felony charge if they are caught with a roach in their ashtray.

 

[DesiPower]

Libertarian perspective.

I would be totally OK with that "Libertarian perspective" as long as an ambulance doesn't move me off the road everytime someone ODs or someone brings them up to ER and the hospital ends up footing the bill. Take responsibility of your "Libertarian" actions and die without wasting anyone's time or money

 

[lxskllr]

I would be totally OK with that "Libertarian perspective" as long as an ambulance doesn't move me off the road everytime someone ODs or someone brings them up to ER and the hospital ends up footing the bill. Take responsibility of your "Libertarian" actions and die without wasting anyone's time or money

Maybe you should get off the road and walk, since traffic deaths and drug deaths are pretty close. Watch your step. Falls aren't too far behind those two ;^)

 

[Howard]

I would be totally OK with that "Libertarian perspective" as long as an ambulance doesn't move me off the road everytime someone ODs or someone brings them up to ER and the hospital ends up footing the bill. Take responsibility of your "Libertarian" actions and die without wasting anyone's time or money

You assume that these changes would increase the likelihood of ambulances being sent for people ODing.

Also, did drugs make your strange uncle touch you as a child?

 

[Muse]

Seems pretty obvious to me that people who OD are apt to be in crisis. You are compounding their confusion if you toss them in jail. They are likely due some compassion, not incarceration, which is pretty much the opposite.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I would be totally OK with that "Libertarian perspective" as long as an ambulance doesn't move me off the road everytime someone ODs or someone brings them up to ER and the hospital ends up footing the bill. Take responsibility of your "Libertarian" actions and die without wasting anyone's time or money

You think drug laws stop people who want drugs from getting them now?

 

[DesiPower]

If the law doesn't stop, at least it slows it down, and yes, if there were no restrictions it would happen more often, more and more people will fall victim. It's a drug it keeps people from thing straight. Not everyone can control their intake, if fact a very small % can.

 

[DesiPower]

And I am surprised, well not actually, people feel that there is no need of professional responsibility, you can do drugs as much as you want and when shit hits the fan other people will pay for your week being.
What I don't understand is if government has to pay for your entertainment, why can government control it?

 

[lxskllr]

And I am surprised, well not actually, people feel that there is no need of professional responsibility, you can do drugs as much as you want and when shit hits the fan other people will pay for your week being.
What I don't understand is if government has to pay for your entertainment, why can government control it?

Like it is when the government medivacs your ass to the hospital when you fall rock climbing? Or is it like cutting yourself with a chainsaw, and have to go to hospital? Oh, I know! I bet it's like getting caught in a riptide, and having the government fish you out of the water.

 

[DesiPower]

99% of people who do drugs cannot pull their own weight, but if you really feel that taking drugs is equivalent to all these other recreational activities then I really don't have anything to say, you win the argument. Go do some drugs and be merry.

 

[lxskllr]

99% of people who do drugs cannot pull their own weight

Nonsense. Plenty of addicts lead successful lives. You even know some of them. Bet you didn't know you were acquainted with addicts. You filthy degenerate :^D

 

[Ruptga]

99% of people who do drugs cannot pull their own weight, but if you really feel that taking drugs is equivalent to all these other recreational activities then I really don't have anything to say, you win the argument. Go do some drugs and be merry.

A fine point, except that is 99% bullshit. Some people have some weed or booze to relax in the evening after work. Some people eat shrooms on the weekend because they like it, then they go back to their master's program. Some people do cocaine, meth, ritalin (which is meth), or other drugs so they can keep up with 60-100 hours per week. Why don't you ask someone in finance or another high pressure profession what their observations are about drug use? That stereotype you quoted is as asinine as it is useless.

 

[destrekor]

I'd legalize all drugs, and let people do what they want. That gets rid of all the violence, and most of the money since the cost comes from artificial scarcity. Aside from that, it isn't government's business what people do with their bodies.

Wow...

Libertarian perspective.

And really, the correct one.

Legalize all the drugs, and then instead of financing the drug war, funnel a fraction of that money (and for any drugs that are legitimately manufactured and sold, use some tax money) into treatment and true rehabilitation programs.

http://mic.com/articles/110344/14-y...riminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening

Granted, Portugal did not legalize and tax everything, they just decriminalized everything.

A bright and shiny future, with actual progress, is one where some drugs are legalized and manufactured/produced (like marijuana) and all others are decriminalized. Push for counseling - not fines and jail time. The offenses are simply not of the category that deserve incarceration.

I think it should go a step further in allowing for centralized production and distribution for many of the softer drugs, because even decriminalizing things like Heroin still mean that the actual trafficking and distribution must occur, and with this comes serious crime.

It sounds illogical to some who are so strongly blinded by the backward-thinking prohibition and war on drugs, but the ghettos will clean up and overall crime WILL drop if the war on drugs is stopped.

 

[Muse]

A fine point, except that is 99% bullshit. Some people have some weed or booze to relax in the evening after work. Some people eat shrooms on the weekend because they like it, then they go back to their master's program. Some people do cocaine, meth, ritalin (which is meth), or other drugs so they can keep up with 60-100 hours per week. Why don't you ask someone in finance or another high pressure profession what their observations are about drug use? That stereotype you quoted is as asinine as it is useless.

Ooooo, and I have a cup of coffee sitting in front of me. :\ Oh, and I'm hopelessly addicted to oxygen.

 

[Ruptga]

Ooooo, and I have a cup of coffee sitting in front of me. :\ Oh, and I'm hopelessly addicted to oxygen.

If you're trying to make a point, it's not apparent to me.

 

[destrekor]

If you're trying to make a point, it's not apparent to me.

In addition to the functional addictions you listed, he also adds that many are addicted to caffeine yet are functional members of society.