Why dont people who overdose get jailed?

[DesiPower]

I mean if you ODed on coke then you were definitely in possessions of it at one point, you even participated in its trade. Hell, if you caught carrying it before you used it you would still be jailed. Then why not after you are caught using it, after you confess to using it. Does the law only prosecute if you are in possession of the substance and not for using it?

 

[Zodiark1593]

For all I know, someone wanting you imprisoned or dead could have just stuck a needle in you and dosed you up with excessive amounts of coke. Hence reasonable doubt, even if using in itself is illegal.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

The idea is to not make people hesitate calling 911 in a life threatening emergency due to fear of being arrested.

Something about valuing human life above all else.

 

[Ns1]

Google "prison overcrowding" some time.

 

[drebo]

Taking drugs isn't illegal. Possession and distribution are illegal.

 

[master_shake_]

Google "prison overcrowding" some time.

what, this is abnormal?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why not lets shoot for 33% of the worlds prison population why not.

 

[John Connor]

This would suck. And there's open showers.

 

[Captante]

The idea is to not make people hesitate calling 911 in a life threatening emergency due to fear of being arrested.

Something about valuing human life above all else.

:thumbsup:

 

[syntropic]

I understand your confusion, but it seems you are questioning the reach of drug laws, and I'm guessing you have never questioned the sanity or benefit (much less the constitutionality) of the drug laws to begin with.

I was of that same frame of mind at one point. I was taught in the 1980s that drugs (and anyone who sold them) were monsters with literally (literally) no equal. There was even a state congressmen (can't remember which state) who proposed that drug dealers should have a hand cut off if convicted 3 times for the sale of drugs. I thought that was a bit much, but I didn't think it was unreasonable.

Do some research on drug laws. Read articles (not by law enforcement or the government) and think about the rationale behind drug prohibition. Does it really make sense? Does it prevent harm? Or does it increase harm?

 

[John Connor]

I understand your confusion, but it seems you are questioning the reach of drug laws, and I'm guessing you have never questioned the sanity or benefit (much less the constitutionality) of the drug laws to begin with.

I was of that same frame of mind at one point. I was taught in the 1980s that drugs (and anyone who sold them) were monsters with literally (literally) no equal. There was even a state congressmen (can't remember which state) who proposed that drug dealers should have a hand cut off if convicted 3 times for the sale of drugs. I thought that was a bit much, but I didn't think it was unreasonable.

Do some research on drug laws. Read articles (not by law enforcement or the government) and think about the rationale behind drug prohibition. Does it really make sense? Does it prevent harm? Or does it increase harm?

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

And this would do what? Besides making the prisons for profit crowd very happy. I know a couple of people serving 8 years for possession of marijuana under the three strikes rule in Arizona. Meanwhile in Colorado it's completely legal. Wake up and smell reality.

 

[master_shake_]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

Maybe instead of punishment maybe get them help??

Buts that's not the intended result is it.

More prisoners is better than more productive people right?

It's not like that viscious cycle will fix itself.

 

[syntropic]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

And what benefit did that create to a society as a whole. What would your "sentence" be for prostitution, or gambling, and why not hand out the same jail term for liquor? You can't tell me it's "better".

In connection with the last sentence above, in the 1990s (I'll have to get a cite for this) Science Magazine did a study (or funded research) to determine the negative effects of drugs. For simplicity, the two primary "evils" they examined were (A) the likelihood a dependence would form (i.e. their potential for addiction—I avoid the use of the word "addiction" because it was adopted by the AMA as a medical term in the 1990s for purely political purposes, replacing more accurate terms which were discarded), and (B) the likelihood a drug would cause a user to become violent, thereby having a potential for harm to persons or property. The number one in (A) was nicotine, and the winner in (B) was ethanol or alcohol/liquor.

 

[Ns1]

And this would do what? Besides making the prisons for profit crowd very happy. I know a couple of people serving 8 years for possession of marijuana under the three strikes rule in Arizona. Meanwhile in Colorado it's completely legal. Wake up and smell reality.

Dunno about you but I feel a lot safer with those ruthless potheads in jail.

 

[master_shake_]

Dunno about you but I feel a lot safer with those ruthless potheads in jail.

Just think of all those poor defenseless snack foods.

 

[John Connor]

So do some coke. What's stopping you idiots?

Talk about stupid. Do you know how many people that are in rehab right now wish they never even touched the shit?

 

[Captante]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

Hasn't this been tried? :\

Prohibition simply doesn't work unless the goal is powerful organised crime and thousands rotting in prison at all of our expense.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So do some coke. What's stopping you idiots?

Talk about stupid. Do you know how many people that are in rehab right now wish they never even touched the shit?

You do know drug laws neither discourage drug use nor encourage abstinence right? You know, it's not so much that you're a troll, it's that you're a bad one.

 

[John Connor]

Hasn't this been tried? :\

Prohibition simply doesn't work unless the goal is powerful organised crime and thousands rotting in prison at all of our expense.

Ask yourself something. Would you sell coke if it meant risking a 25 year sentence? Look at South East Asia. Think they fucking have our laws?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Ask yourself something. Would you sell coke if it meant risking a 25 year sentence? Look at South East Asia. Think they fucking have our laws?

We don't have laws in an attempt to modify behavior, you can't legislate morality. We have laws to protect society from harm. You're an idiot.

 

[DesiPower]

Morality and condition of the legal system aside, my point was about the logic behind law. The case of Lamar Odam, also reminds me of Charlie Sheen, I mean dude was openly bragging about it.

 

[_Rick_]

Ask yourself something. Would you sell coke if it meant risking a 25 year sentence? Look at South East Asia. Think they fucking have our laws?

Maybe you should try coke before you demonize it.

 

[zinfamous]

what, this is abnormal?

This is what Gilbert Stuart called: "American Hostel"

 

[zinfamous]

We don't have laws in an attempt to modify behavior, you can't legislate morality. We have laws to protect society from harm. You're an idiot.

Well now now now... :hmm:

OK, never mind. Carry on.