Why dont people who overdose get jailed?

[Ruptga]

In addition to the functional addictions you listed, he also adds that many are addicted to caffeine yet are functional members of society.

Yeah but then there's the red herring about oxygen, which obviously isn't a real addiction. Nevermind I was probably just overthinking it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

Does your extreme stance on punishment have anything to do with a past or present addiction?

 

[WHAMPOM]

You're quite the little kid with those big word insults, aren't you?

I woud have a wall on the border like Trump wants. Combined with drones using FLIR it can be greatly diminished.

25 to life for a pusher gives them something to think about.

Great for the tunnels that make the border look like Swiss Cheese, Rails, carts and electric lifts that can move tons every day.

 

[Hugo Drax]

I mean if you ODed on coke then you were definitely in possessions of it at one point, you even participated in its trade. Hell, if you caught carrying it before you used it you would still be jailed. Then why not after you are caught using it, after you confess to using it. Does the law only prosecute if you are in possession of the substance and not for using it?

Really? Do you think it's a good idea to waste taxpayer money to feed and house people who choose to do drugs?

Better idea, make all drugs legal and stop filling jails with drug offenders. Fill them with pedophiles and violent criminals instead.

 

[CZroe]

I would be totally OK with that "Libertarian perspective" as long as an ambulance doesn't move me off the road everytime someone ODs or someone brings them up to ER and the hospital ends up footing the bill. Take responsibility of your "Libertarian" actions and die without wasting anyone's time or money

A core principle of Libertarianism is personal, individual, accountability for one's own actions. Making someone else pay is a core principle of socialism. Banning personal freedoms because the other taxpayers are forced to pay for the consequences is socialism. Don't force them to pay for the consequences in the first place.

Universal health care? Prepare for less freedoms now that everyone else is footing the bill for risky behavior.

 

[Rakehellion]

Great argument. If you don't agree with them call 'em out and say names.

Great counterargument. Dumbass.

 

[Rakehellion]

I have a coworker that told me this and it made me think for awhile. While not untrue, how did we ever manage to make tobacco use plummet in this country? Why is marijuana and heroin use skyrocketing? Is it because of popular opinion for or against?

Better question: Why did people ever start using tobacco to begin with?

Most of the anti-drug movement is based on misleading propaganda while the anti-tobacco force is based on its actual health effects.

Also, cigarettes aren't really fun. They're just a useless addiction.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Those against legalization and for prohibition, tell me when was the last time you heard of a shootout over alcohol selling turf?

 

[Rakehellion]

Those against legalization and for prohibition, tell me when was the last time you heard of a shootout over alcohol selling turf?

Conservatives don't keep up with news that happens to those people.

 

[Phoenix86]

I mean if you ODed on coke then you were definitely in possessions of it at one point, you even participated in its trade. Hell, if you caught carrying it before you used it you would still be jailed. Then why not after you are caught using it, after you confess to using it. Does the law only prosecute if you are in possession of the substance and not for using it?

Please don't vote.

 

[BUTCH1]

You're quite the little kid with those big word insults, aren't you?

I woud have a wall on the border like Trump wants. Combined with drones using FLIR it can be greatly diminished.

25 to life for a pusher gives them something to think about.

Guess you haven't been keeping up with the new methods employed by big-time smugglers nowadays, both semi-submersible and now FULLY SUBMERSIBLE subs are being used. This sub was the fully submersible variety, had the capability of carrying 16,000lbs of cocaine, AC, sonar, snorkel, and a crew of 5. With the kind of $$ cocaine profit brings smugglers will pay engineers to build these for them deep in the jungles of Columbia, and you think a wall is going to stop them?, yea, OK pal..

 

[natto fire]

So do some coke. What's stopping you idiots?

Talk about stupid. Do you know how many people that are in rehab right now wish they never even touched the shit?

I'd guess it is roughly close to the same number of people who have accidentally opened the P&N section of these forums. Should we lock them up as well?

And when are you going to move out of Colorado, now that normal people finally outnumber the rednecks?

 

[Phoenix86]

Not that any of that has anything to do with the rhetorical question that was asked, but...

Fact is that the demand for high prison sentences is what people smarter than you call inelastic. That means that people will risk going to prison for far longer than is sane because after a certain point they stop giving a fuck. "4 years, 20 years, my life as I know it is over either way so fuck it." (un)Ironically, demand for long prison sentences is inelastic on the other side of the system too, where people like you call for longer and longer sentences regardless of the outcome or lack of outcome.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold your horses there chief.

Those are some big words.

You may want to reconsider your approach.

 

[Ruptga]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold your horses there chief.

Those are some big words.

You may want to reconsider your approach.

I may not be able to literally beat him with a thesaurus through the internet, but I'm the kind of guy that takes what they can get.

 

[WelshBloke]

Talk about stupid. Do you know how many people that are in rehab right now wish they never even touched the shit?

Probably significantly less people than are in respiratory wards, oncology wards, and vascular wards that wish they had never touched tobacco.

 

[Linux23]

Great argument. If you don't agree with them call 'em out and say names.

I've seen your kind before, but I had to pay admission...."dumb ass!" How's that grab you... "dumb ass?"

Now be a "dumb ass" and post more third grade shit.

I'm all well aware of the other vectors.

childish name-calling. ahhh, the AT way of life.

 

[DrDoug]

You don't want to know what I'd do to pushers and users.

25 to life for selling. Five years for position with an opportunity to take rehab. With the completion of rehab three years will be knocked off as well as time served for rehab.

One of my clients recently had to fire an employee because of substance abuse (heroin/methadone/anything like that). Too much to go in to but the person they fired had completed a stringent court-ordered, five year treatment plan. During that time they went to school and picked up a degree for the job my client eventually hired them for. For the last four years this employee has been a huge asset to his business and everything looked great. After five years the person successfully completed their treatment and the day after they were released from it they showed up at work so f'ed up they passed out on one of his clients. Game over for that employee.

Your plan would fail because you don't understand substance abuse and dependency, you just want to punish people who don't behave the way you want them to.

We already do that and it isn't working, is it?

 

[Darwin333]

You're quite the little kid with those big word insults, aren't you?

I woud have a wall on the border like Trump wants. Combined with drones using FLIR it can be greatly diminished.

25 to life for a pusher gives them something to think about.

You have no clue....

There are tons of people serving 25+ year sentences for selling drugs. Hell there are a ton of people serving life without parole for selling drugs and nothing more.

 

[Phoenix86]

You have no clue....

There are tons of people serving 25+ year sentences for selling drugs. Hell there are a ton of people serving life without parole for selling drugs and nothing more.

I prefer to phrase that as:

We're paying 30-60K/person/year (depends on the state) for tons of people to serve 25-life for nothing more than selling drugs.

 

[Darwin333]

If the law doesn't stop, at least it slows it down, and yes, if there were no restrictions it would happen more often, more and more people will fall victim. It's a drug it keeps people from thing straight. Not everyone can control their intake, if fact a very small % can.

Actually a very large amount can and do. The vast majority of drug users are very functioning members of society. Chances are you work with people who use drugs for recreation. Hell chances are a lot of people you know use drugs and you just don't know it.

The vast majority of ODs come from vastly differing purity of the drugs they are getting. You get one batch of heroin that takes X amount to get you high and then you buy another batch and the same amount is a lot stronger and causes you to OD. Legalizing and regulating drugs would completely end that.

I have proof. Recently the government has severely cracked down on the "pill mills", while also making it much more difficult for sick people to get the medicine that they need. They have also twisted the arms of pharma to change the formulations to make them harder to abuse, which also made them less effective for very sick/dying people. It worked great at lowering prescription opiate abuse but had an unfortunate side effect of greatly increasing the use of the closest substitute they could get, heroin. So you took people that were taking pharmaceutical quality drugs, knew exactly how much they were/could take and you sent them into the waiting arms of the heroin dealers who have zero quality controls, even more addictive and you aren't really sure how strong it is. My proof, since this has taken place the number of heroin overdoses has VASTLY increased. Some places have seen 300% increase in heroin overdoses in a single year and the rise is continuing.

So umm, good job government? Restricting supply of illegally abused pharmaceuticals has quite literally caused the problem a lot of people are bitching about. As far as the costs to the hospitals, we spend FAR more money locking up drug users than we spend treating them medically. All these people calling for locking up drug users are probably the same people that will scream bloody murder when their taxes get jacked way up in order to pay for doubling (or more) our prison system which is already number one in the entire world both by number and per capita.

 

[Darwin333]

99% of people who do drugs cannot pull their own weight, but if you really feel that taking drugs is equivalent to all these other recreational activities then I really don't have anything to say, you win the argument. Go do some drugs and be merry.

You are seriously stuck on stupid. Drugs are literally a multi-billion dollar industry in the US. That money is made legitimately at some point and then used to purchase drugs for recreational use. Where the hell do you think the money comes from?

Fucking Wall Street is notorious for drug use, well maybe you have a point with them, but a ton of those drug users make millions, tens of millions and hundreds of millions a year. There are drug users who make more money in a year than you could ever dream of making throughout your entire lifetime. They pay a fuckload more taxes, probably more than you actually make in a year, are they not pulling their weight?

A competitor of mine does drugs recreationally, fairly often too and he employs 80ish people and personally pulls in mid 6 figures. Not only is he a huge taxpayer but because of him there are 80 more taxpayers. Would you say that he is "pulling his weight"? How many people do you employ?

 

[Rakehellion]

I prefer to phrase that as:

We're paying 30-60K/person/year (depends on the state) for tons of people to server 25-life for nothing more than selling drugs.

Not only that, but draining the economy by having an able-bodied person sitting on their ass and not working.

 

[Rakehellion]

And I am surprised, well not actually, people feel that there is no need of professional responsibility, you can do drugs as much as you want and when shit hits the fan other people will pay for your week being.
What I don't understand is if government has to pay for your entertainment, why can government control it?

I don't know if you're aware of this, but it costs money to put people in jail.

 

[Darwin333]

Not only that, but draining the economy by having an able-bodied person sitting on their ass and not working.

I had an employee who was on probation for possession who then got caught for possession again which was his choice/fault. So the justice system decided it would be far better for society to take a guy making $55K a year, paying taxes including real estate taxes and not only remove the taxes and economic activity that employs other people but also pay $50K a year to incarcerate him. He was a great employee, a really nice guy who would go out of his way to help people out and as far as I know never hurt a soul. It flat out amazes me that people think that it make sense to do something so ignorant and self defeating.

 

[destrekor]

I had an employee who was on probation for possession who then got caught for possession again which was his choice/fault. So the justice system decided it would be far better for society to take a guy making $55K a year, paying taxes including real estate taxes and not only remove the taxes and economic activity that employs other people but also pay $50K a year to incarcerate him. He was a great employee, a really nice guy who would go out of his way to help people out and as far as I know never hurt a soul. It flat out amazes me that people think that it make sense to do something so ignorant and self defeating.

But... but, don't you get it? He was a filthy criminal who should be shown no quarter, especially on a second offense. And the drugs, man. You know how many children have their lives ruin because of the drugs on the street? Youth join gangs and blah blah blah... drugs are evil, criminals are worse! He obviously should be incarcerated for life!