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Why doesn't anyone come close to apple as far as design?

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I'm sorry that when I spend a considerable amount of money on a piece of electronics, I'd like a company that spent some time thinking about how everything goes together and making it look clean, rather than just putting some components in plastic.
 
The IBM / Lenovo Thinkpad series is so close to perfection that its form has not changed significantly in over 15 years (for the T series like laptops at least).
 
i gotta say it is pretty amusing to see the apple haters get their panties in a bunch when threads like this pop up.

it is also funny to see the blind apple fanboys make ridiculous claims.
 
Pliablemoose said:
Dunno about that, Android growth seems to have stalled out over the last 3 months, and there are only 2 carriers in the US with the iPhone, that's rumored to be changing soon...

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one graph is showing feb-april of this year, the other is showing just march of this year. i don't think you can get any trend out of that data set.
 
MotF Bane said:
It's not enough data to declare a trend. Wait until the fall, after iPhone 5, Bionic, and whatever else emerges. Then you'll have plenty of data, including the new summer releases, and you can declare a trend.
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Regardless, Android has gone from 0 to #1 in 2.5 years or so, pretty impressive.

And again, those are US numbers only, international numbers are more important anyway...
 
Pliablemoose said:
It covers 3 months, also, the data is US only. Looks like a trend to me...

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/30/nielsen-androids-lead-over-ios-may-have-stopped-growing/
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the article shows trends because it compares this year's data to last year's data.

the picture is 1 data set, giving you a 3 month average and the middle month subset. from that you cannot determine any trend worth anything.

not to mention declaring that growth may be over due to holding steady in the smart phone market is completely ignoring the fact that the smart phone market is getting bigger in a hurry. holding 25% of a 10 million unit market and then holding 25% of a 50 million unit market is growth.

internationally android is kiling it due to huawei and a bunch of other makers no one has ever heard of.
 
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NikolaeVarius said:
Apples power adapter is the spawn of the devil. Whoever thought that it was an amazing idea to put the bulk of the power supply in the plug, where other plugs will probably be needs to be shot for being a selfish asshole.
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The apple adaptor doesn't have to be used as a wall wort, you can "unplug" the plug from the adaptor and plugin a cable and use it just like a 'normal' laptop power supply.
 
ElFenix said:
the article shows trends because it compares this year's data to last year's data.

the picture is 1 data set, giving you a 3 month average and the middle month subset. from that you cannot determine any trend worth anything.

not to mention declaring that growth may be over due to holding steady in the smart phone market is completely ignoring the fact that the smart phone market is getting bigger in a hurry. holding 25% of a 10 million unit market and then holding 25% of a 50 million unit market is growth.

internationally android is kiling it due to huawei and a bunch of other makers no one has ever heard of.
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Agreed, the market is growing, and quickly, the graph only covers US market share, not total sales, I mentioned it was US only in the previous post.

Interesting to watch it play out though, and we'll have more numbers soon enough 😀
 
Intel has unveiled design guidelines for a new category of thin-and-light laptops, dubbed "Ultrabooks," that take cues from Apple's iPad and MacBook Air.
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So Intel believes the best direction for the laptop market to pursue is to copy the MacBook Air.
 
I've always preferred a design based upon functionality over form.

I use Antec computer cases (no windows no lights, lots of fans, but added dynamat to try to tame the noise), boring looking pc power and cooling or seasonic power supplies, cheap desk, IBM Model M keyboard, cheap laser mouse, cheap laser printer.)

I drive a Subaru Forester without a turbo, it's utilitarian (holds 4 people ok, holds a decent amount of shit for when I go to menards or ace, and tows a couple of snowmobiles or a boat with no trouble, and it manages to average me around 25mpg)

I don't consider "looks" when I buy things. I am however, picky about picture quality on my monitors and tvs, and I am fussy about sound quality on my speakers...

Anyhow, there are a lot of people who are more concerned with factors outside of "how the design looks", and that is where most companies focus.
 
ActiveX said:
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So Intel believes the best direction for the laptop market to pursue is to copy the MacBook Air.
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Yep, and the Macbook air was really an improved copy of previous thin/light notebooks like the Sony Vaio VGN-SZ series which preceded the first Macbook air, or the ancient Mitsubishi Pedion from 1998, which at 10 years old was still thinner than the first Macbook air.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/01/mitsubishi-pedi/

Copies of copies of copies, with improvements each time for the most part.
 
it must be easy to make a seamless design when you don't ever have to worry about cracking open the system because your "repair" option is making the customers buy a new one.

Schadenfroh said:
The IBM / Lenovo Thinkpad series is so close to perfection that its form has not changed significantly in over 15 years (for the T series like laptops at least).
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I could live without that fucking red button, though.
 
loki8481 said:
it must be easy to make a seamless design when you don't ever have to worry about cracking open the system because your "repair" option is making the customers buy a new one.
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Sigh. What would you be replacing in a laptop? Hard drive, RAM, anything else? Both those are easily accessible just the same on any Mac laptop.
 
ChAoTiCpInOy said:
Sigh. What would you be replacing in a laptop? Hard drive, RAM, anything else? Both those are easily accessible just the same on any Mac laptop.
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Battery 🙁

It's nice for people out in the field to have an extra battery available. Even the gigantic DV7t has a 5.25 hour battery life from the regular 6-cell, and close to 8.5 hours from the optional 9-cell hi-capacity battery.

Edit : I guess there's always something like this :

http://quickertek.com/products/macbook_air_charger.php
 
ChAoTiCpInOy said:
Sigh. What would you be replacing in a laptop? Hard drive, RAM, anything else? Both those are easily accessible just the same on any Mac laptop.
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battery?
Which MacBook Pro models require battery replacement service?
All MacBook Pro models with built-in batteries require battery replacement service.


How much does battery replacement cost?
Battery replacement prices are based on your region:

Region Apple Price
17-inch Apple Price
15-inch and 13-inch United States $179 pre taxes $129 pre taxes Canada CA$199 pre taxes CA$139 pre taxes Europe €179 inc. VAT €129 inc. VAT Switzerland CHF 279 inc VAT CHF 199 inc VAT United Kingdom £139 inc. VAT £99 inc. VAT Japan ¥16,800 inc. taxes ¥12,800 inc. taxes Australia A$229 inc GST A$179 inc GST China 1398 RMB inc. vat 988 RMB inc. vat
Battery replacement service may be available at your local Apple Authorized Service Provider ("AASP").1
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WTF?? A battery for a regular HP/Acer/Sony laptop is in the $50-80 range.
 
ChAoTiCpInOy said:
Sigh. What would you be replacing in a laptop? Hard drive, RAM, anything else? Both those are easily accessible just the same on any Mac laptop.
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Battery. Another example of Apple's form>function approach. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to change a battery on any device, and if it takes longer than 15" on a laptop, you fucked up the design.
 
ShawnD1 said:
battery?


WTF?? A battery for a regular HP/Acer/Sony laptop is in the $50-80 range.
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And for most HP's you would need 2 or even 3 batteries to get the same battery life as 1 on the MBP. My neighbor has an HP he bought, it's not even a high end one. He's lucky to get 3.5 on a single charge.
 
Wait, someone seriously tried to draw a conclusion by comparing a February-April set of data to a March set of data? Why am I not surprised to find something that stupid in an Apple thread.
 
QueBert said:
And for most HP's you would need 2 or even 3 batteries to get the same battery life as 1 on the MBP. My neighbor has an HP he bought, it's not even a high end one. He's lucky to get 3.5 on a single charge.
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It varies hugely depending on what you're doing (this is true on Mac or PC obviously)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3669/...o-more-battery-life-tests-display-evaluated/2

The big problem is that if the battery starts to suck on a Mac, most of them require a very expensive battery that's a PITA to get installed (it's well beyond the skills of most typical Mac customers). On the HP, you just Amazon one with good reviews for a fraction of the cost, and boom it's installed. You can even keep the older, less effective battery (let's say it's down to ~1hr usable time after being used heavily for a couple of years) as a backup.

Of course, with a lot of Mac customers who don't mind dropping $2,500+ on a MBP, they'll just throw the old MBP in the garbage after a year, and get the new model. Problem fixed.
 
It's interesting that the battery is a huge issue, but have you seen the battery lives on the Mac laptops? There's always HyperMac's batteries.
 
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