Why does Nvidia's $100 GPU always compete with AMD's $60 GPU?

[Arkadrel]

Where's the 460 in that link?

I guess you didn't link to that comparison on purpose like always.

Because the 460 1gb and the 7770 exchange blows, with most of them favoring the 7770.
Thats why it became the 560 vs 7770.

cheapest 560 (non SE) is like 160$+ on newegg (with rebates down to 150$).

the 7770 is probably the best back for buck, card in the 100$ area.

 

[moonbogg]

These troll threads are entertaining. I wonder how long it takes to get bored of this stuff.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Where's the 460 in that link?

I guess you didn't link to that comparison on purpose like always.

Because Anand doesn't have a review comparison of a GF114 GTX 460 @ 810 core?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127646


Ohoowowoooo conspiracy.

Except you do realize no GE is going to come with the reference cooler/fan?? Comparing an engineering sample vs reality is a) pointless b) stupid c) why are we talking about this??

So we're using vaporware? Seems legit.

A) It's the same gpu, what does it matter if it's a GHz Edition non reference cause they can't make a viable reference card when there are already 1GHz+ non reference cards? Oh you mean it's a pointless card that served no real purpose?

B) I agree since it's not a real card it is pointless and stupid to discuss it, phantom of the AMD marketing.

C) CPU forum is dead because there is nothing really to talk about. Top to bottom is pretty much all Intel, we talk about this because it's enjoyable to discuss close products. What else would we be discussing on a tech site that has no real purpose since there are many review sites that give far more detailed information and comparisons than any of us could ever hope to?

Because the 460 1gb and the 7770 exchange blows, with most of them favoring the 7770.
Thats why it became the 560 vs 7770.

cheapest 560 (non SE) is like 160$+ on newegg (with rebates down to 150$).

the 7770 is probably the best back for buck, card in the 100$ area.

16 out of 24 favor the old 256 bus 460, where the 7770 wins it's quite close, however often when the old version of the 460 wins it's by a fairly large margin.

The 460 I'm referencing is the 192 bit bus GK114 derived part which operates at 810MHz what you're thinking of is the old 460 which had a 256 bus and 675Mhz core clock.

The difference between the 560 non ti and the revised 460 is the bus, 192 vs 256.

Since the old 460 is irrelevant, and Anand does not have it in their bench chart I of course went with a simplistic secondary option which provides the same core and share performance on a slightly slower bus to compare.


Ohoowowoooo

 

[Imouto]

Because Anand doesn't have a review comparison of a GF114 GTX 460 @ 810 core?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127646

Ohoowowoooo conspiracy.

Prolly because they have better things to do than getting into the benchmark comparisons every single factory OCed card out there.

Anyway 15% difference being 9% more expensive is getting stomped. True story.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Prolly because they have better things to do than getting into the benchmark comparisons every single factory OCed card out there.

Anyway 15% difference being 9% more expensive is getting stomped. True story.

Looks like it's closer to 30% faster for 9% ($9.99) more.

Stomped, wreaked, destroyed, new card made irrelevant by old tech, whatever you wish to call it it's ok.

Kind of reminds me of the slower 7970 that was 10-20% more expensive, but this was more win than that.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Except you do realize no GE is going to come with the reference cooler/fan?? Comparing an engineering sample vs reality is a) pointless b) stupid c) why are we talking about this??

Homebrew facts again?

 

[minitron]

If we're going to be talking about the value of the HD 7770 compared to the GTX 460, we can also say that it makes AMD's own HD 6850s look less attractive. This is looking at prices before fail-in-rebates.

Both the HD 6850 and GTX 460 (256 and 192 bit) are better cards in terms of pure performance. The HD 7770's big advantages is not requiring a PCIe power connector.

I think the HD 7750 is a better value than the HD 7770:
You can most likely max out any game the HD 7750 maxes out with the 7770.
If the HD 7750 is struggling with certain settings, chances are the HD 7770 will too.

 

[Imouto]

Looks like it's closer to 30% faster for 9% ($9.99) more.

Stomped, wreaked, destroyed, new card made irrelevant by old tech, whatever you wish to call it it's ok.

Kind of reminds me of the slower 7970 that was 10-20% more expensive, but this was more win than that.

Where is that 30% coming from?

Spoiler

GTX460@810Mhz being 3% faster than a 5850.
5850 being 13% faster than a 7770.

 

[minitron]

That's for all resolutions.

At 1920x1080 the differences should be ~25%.

 

[Imouto]

At 1920x1080 the differences should be ~25%.

Suuure:

7770@1920*1200 3% faster than a regular 460
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/images/perfrel_1920.gif
460@810@1920*1200 15% faster than a regular 460
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_Amp_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

So maybe 12% faster at that resolution?

 

[minitron]

Suuure:

7770@1920*1200 3% faster than a regular 460
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/images/perfrel_1920.gif
460@810@1920*1200 15% faster than a regular 460
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_Amp_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

So maybe 12% faster at that resolution?

The review for the Zotac AMP is old. The GTX 460 768 is definitely not a "regular 460."

Using the newest review of the HD 7770 I provided, we can see that the HD 7770 is about 25% slower than the HD 6870. A GTX 460 at 850 is about as fast as the HD 6870 at 1920.

Another thing you fail to point out is when you turn up image quality such as AA an DX11 features both the HD 6850 and GTX 460 beat the HD 7770.

I think this pretty much says it all. This is with the GTX 460 at 675. Moving to 810 core would improve performance by ~20%.

Still not sure what your point is either, the GTX 460 and HD 6850 are both ~5$ more than the HD 7770 and are both superior cards. The only reason not to get the previous generation which is the lack of a power connector for the HD 7770.

 

[Imouto]

The review for the Zotac AMP is old. The GTX 460 768 is definitely not a "regular 460."

If you use your eyes you should see the old 460 768 MB way behind the regular one in the charts.

Wait, wait. Tom's? For real?

If you're going to link anything from HWCanucks at least go for the 7770 review that has the GTX 560 at conclusion. But I really don't like that site.

At least your last post shows your criteria and how tight your blindfold is.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

460 GF114 and 560 are pretty close, 22%, for 9% more.


Typically price/perf goes down the more you spend, sadly in this case AMD got stomped.

 

[HurleyBird]

You guys are comparing GTX 460 to HD 7770 using launch drivers. Totally irrelevant. You need to add upwards of 10% to the HD 7770 if you take Cat 12.7 into account, maybe more.

 

[Arkadrel]

You guys are comparing GTX 460 to HD 7770 using launch drivers. Totally irrelevant. You need to add upwards of 10% to the HD 7770 if you take Cat 12.7 into account, maybe more.

^ this. Also the 7770 have 1ghz versions that are faster than the stock 7770's at release where.

460 GF114 and 560 are pretty close, 22%, for 9% more.

Bulls**t. The 560 ti is around ~48% faster than a Nvidia 460 1gb (check Techpowerup.com 's performance chat summery).
And no it doesnt cost 9% more.... they cost atleast 150$+ (which is like a 36-20% price increase (compaired to 7770/460 1gb)).

The 460 1gb is about 8% faster than a 7770 (check pic), and cost around 125$:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/images/perfrel_1920.gif

That makes the 7770 very slightly better back 4 buck, if you buy a card like this (and get it at 109$):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127687

 

[minitron]

Suuure:

7770@1920*1200 3% faster than a regular 460
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7770/images/perfrel_1920.gif
460@810@1920*1200 15% faster than a regular 460
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_Amp_Edition/images/perfrel_1920.gif

So maybe 12% faster at that resolution?

Do you even read what you post? According to the chart you posted the 7770 is only slightly faster than the GTX 460 768. Yet you go on to say that it's faster than the regular GTX 460.

Maybe if you used your eyes on your own posts you'd notice the regular GTX 460 is faster than the 7770.

If you use your eyes you should see the old 460 768 MB way behind the regular one in the charts.

Wait, wait. Tom's? For real?

If you're going to link anything from HWCanucks at least go for the 7770 review that has the GTX 560 at conclusion. But I really don't like that site.

At least your last post shows your criteria and how tight your blindfold is.

You state the regular 460 is 3% slower than the 7770 at 1920 but it's obvious you were looking at the 768.

The 560 non-Ti is about the same performance as the GTX 460 at 810 core so according to your own source the GTX 460 is ~21-22% faster.

 

[Concillian]

HD4770 - 9600GT - HD4670
HD5770 - GT 250/440/550 - HD5670
HD7770 - GT 550/640 - HD7750

Why cant Nvidia provide a card as good as AMD at $100?

Because people like my little cousin go out to Best Buy and buy a Geforce 550Ti for $200 without talking to me first.

God damn, I wanted to punch that kid when he told me that, wasting his parents money like that.

nVidia likes money, and apparently there's no shortage of people wanting to throw money at nVidia, so they price their low end in a way that lets them. Pricing has to do with market response and the people who buy in a given price segment. People who analyze benchmarks and buy on price / performance are not the majority of people buying sub $150 video cards, so they aren't priced competitively on price vs. performance. They're priced on how much people will pay for a given brand and box checklist feature.

 

[minitron]

Because people like my little cousin go out to Best Buy and buy a Geforce 550Ti for $200 without talking to me first.

God damn, I wanted to punch that kid when he told me that, wasting his parents money like that.

nVidia likes money, and apparently there's no shortage of people wanting to throw money at nVidia, so they price their low end in a way that lets them. Pricing has to do with market response and the people who buy in a given price segment. People who analyze benchmarks and buy on price / performance are not the majority of people buying sub $150 video cards, so they aren't priced competitively on price vs. performance. They're priced on how much people will pay for a given brand and box checklist feature.

Calm down, AMD cards at Best Buy are overpriced too.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

^ this. Also the 7770 have 1ghz versions that are faster than the stock 7770's at release where.


Bulls**t. The 560 ti is around ~48% faster

Why don't you clam down and read a bit?

It's not a 560 Ti, it's a 560.

Either way you can get a 470 for around $100 and that beats the 560Ti when both are overclocked.

Where does that leave AMD at the $100 price point? A non option.

 

[Red Hawk]

Because people like my little cousin go out to Best Buy and buy a Geforce 550Ti for $200 without talking to me first.

God damn, I wanted to punch that kid when he told me that, wasting his parents money like that.

nVidia likes money, and apparently there's no shortage of people wanting to throw money at nVidia, so they price their low end in a way that lets them. Pricing has to do with market response and the people who buy in a given price segment. People who analyze benchmarks and buy on price / performance are not the majority of people buying sub $150 video cards, so they aren't priced competitively on price vs. performance. They're priced on how much people will pay for a given brand and box checklist feature.

First rule about buying graphics cards: Do not buy from Best Buy.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

First rule about buying graphics cards: Do not buy from Best Buy.

This.

But I saw a nice deal on a 460. It wasnt the cut down 192 bit but the 256 bit they had for 100 bucks

 

[richaron]

Where does that leave AMD at the $100 price point? A non option.

7770. much better :thumbsup:

 

[Homeles]

Where does that leave AMD at the $100 price point? A non option.

At that price point, power consumption is a relative topic. I.e., the cheaper the product is, the larger power consumption is going to have on the overall cost of the card over its lifetime. The 7770 draws less than half the power of the 470. It also supports DX11.1.

Also, there aren't any (from what I can tell) GTX 470's available at retail. If you're trying to argue used vs. new, you're not going to convince anybody.

OTOH, I find it funny that he's trying to argue that a GF114 based 460 isn't similar to the 560 -- they're the same chip.

 

[minitron]

At that price point, power consumption is a relative topic. I.e., the cheaper the product is, the larger power consumption is going to have on the overall cost of the card over its lifetime. The 7770 draws less than half the power of the 470. It also supports DX11.1.

Also, there aren't any (from what I can tell) GTX 470's available at retail. If you're trying to argue used vs. new, you're not going to convince anybody.

OTOH, I find it funny that he's trying to argue that a GF114 based 460 isn't similar to the 560 -- they're the same chip.

The GTX 470 crushes the 7770 and it's much older; the power consumption is more than a fair tradeoff.

Are you going to provide more benchmarks then refer to the wrong chip as the "standard GTX 460?" Have you accepted the fact the GTX 460 is ~20% faster than the HD 7770 and costs 5$ more?

The 460 isn't the same as the 560 Ti, it was clearly stated that it was similar to the non-Ti.

It's funny you mention DX11.1 when the HD 7770 is barely fast enough to utilize any DX11 features at all.

Again, the GTX 460 and HD 6850 are both much better values than the HD 7770.

 

[Siberian]

Calm down, AMD cards at Best Buy are overpriced too.

$50 HDMI cables