Why does Nvidia's $100 GPU always compete with AMD's $60 GPU?

[Homeles]

The GTX 470 crushes the 7770 and it's much older; the power consumption is more than a fair tradeoff.

Are you going to provide more benchmarks then refer to the wrong chip as the "standard GTX 460?" Have you accepted the fact the GTX 460 is ~20% faster than the HD 7770 and costs 5$ more?

The 460 isn't the same as the 560 Ti, it was clearly stated that it was similar to the non-Ti.

It's funny you mention DX11.1 when the HD 7770 is barely fast enough to utilize any DX11 features at all.

Again, the GTX 460 and HD 6850 are both much better values than the HD 7770.

I never said anything in regards to the value of the 7770 against the 460 or 6850. I also did not say anything about the GTX 560 Ti. Once again, you prove to be illiterate.

Your understanding of the DirectX API is laughable. It's not all about features -- there are significant performance benefits behind it as well.

Finally, a 550mm² die beats a die that's a fifth of the size and only one generation ahead? You don't say?

 

[Arkadrel]

@minitron

Where can you buy a new 470? How much does one cost? or are we compaired used to new?
Yes the 470 beats the 1ghz versions of the 7770 by about 24%.

Have you accepted the fact the GTX 460 is ~20% faster than the HD 7770 and costs 5$ more?

1) Techpowerup shows the 7770 (stock) is about 8% slower on avg. NOT ~20%.

2) Techpowerup shows the 7770 1ghz edition is faster than the 460 1gb.

3) newegg has 1ghz 7770 for ~110$, cheapest 460 1gb for around 120$.

So you end up paying 10$ more, for older tech, thats slower and uses more power than a 7770 1ghz model.
That makes the 460 1gb a bad buy compaired to the 7770.

1ghz editions of the 7770 beat the 460 1gb.
Dont believe it? check techpowerup's chart:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Gigabyte/HD_7770_OC/images/perfrel_1920.gif

 

[minitron]

I never said anything in regards to the value of the 7770 against the 460 or 6850. I also did not say anything about the GTX 560 Ti. Once again, you prove to be illiterate.

Your understanding of the DirectX API is laughable. It's not all about features -- there are significant performance benefits behind it as well.

Finally, a 550mm² die beats a die that's a fifth of the size and only one generation ahead? You don't say?

The point is you can get much faster GPU for $5 more.

You referred to a previous post that said you can't compare the 460 to the 560 Ti then went on to say:

OTOH, I find it funny that he's trying to argue that a GF114 based 460 isn't similar to the 560 -- they're the same chip.

Obviously you didn't understand he was referring to the Ti.

Please explain to me what features the HD 7770 has over the GTX 460 and HD 6850... Obviously it's not performance considering the HD 6850 and GTX 460 are much faster than the HD 7770.

So what if it's older tech? It's much faster.

@minitron

Where can you buy a new 470? How much does one cost? or are we compaired used to new?
Yes the 470 beats the 1ghz versions of the 7770 by about 24%.


1) Techpowerup shows the 7770 (stock) is about 8% slower on avg. NOT ~20%.

2) Techpowerup shows the 7770 1ghz edition is faster than the 460 1gb.

3) newegg has 1ghz 7770 for ~110$, cheapest 460 1gb for around 120$.

So you end up paying 10$ more, for older tech, thats slower and uses more power than a 7770 1ghz model.
That makes the 460 1gb a bad buy compaired to the 7770.

1ghz editions of the 7770 beat the 460 1gb.
Dont believe it? check techpowerup's chart:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Gigabyte/HD_7770_OC/images/perfrel_1920.gif

Once again, that's with the v1 460 at 675 core and you're comparing to the HD 7770 OC.

At 810 core the GTX 460 is about as fast as HD 6870 which is 19% faster than the HD 7770 OC.

Stop posting the same charts, I've already explained this in a previous post you didn't read.

Again, both the HD 6850 and GTX 460 are much faster than the HD 7770 for $5 more.

 

[Arkadrel]

Obviously it's not performance considering the HD 6850 and GTX 460 are much faster than the HD 7770.

BS again

7770 1ghz edition beats both the 460 1gb and the 6850 in performance....
and with newer drivers it does it by more than this chart shows.

*this was tested with "ATI: Catalyst 11.12" drivers, the 12.7 ones will have driven performance up since then.

So please stop with all the b***sh**?

Also a 460 1gb is atleast 10$ more expensive most places.

 

[minitron]

BS again

7770 1ghz edition beats both the 460 1gb and the 6850 in performance....
and with newer drivers it does it by more than this chart shows.

So please stop with all the b***sh**?

Also a 460 1gb is atleast 10$ more expensive most places.

TPU never reviewed the GTX 460 V2. That chart contains the GTX 460 V1 at 675 core, what is so hard to understand?

Once again, you're comparing the HD 7770 OC to stock GTX 460 V1 and stock HD 6850, both of which can overclock past HD 6870 levels.

Cheapest HD 7770 is $135 on the egg, cheapest GTX 460 is $140. This is not counting fail-in-rebates.

The only reasons to buy the HD 7770:
1) You didn't know what you were doing.
2) You need a single-slot card.

 

[Homeles]

The point is you can get much faster GPU for $5 more.

I understand that. Since you lack reading comprehension skills and must be spoon-fed everything, I was specifically targeting his assertion that the 470 was somehow a good purchase compared to the 7770. It's not even in the same price range, and is irrelevant.

You referred to a previous post that said you can't compare the 460 to the 560 Ti then went on to say:
Obviously you didn't understand he was referring to the Ti.

I really don't understand why you're on the internet if you are incapable of reading. The comment Balla made was about the 560 non-Ti, in response to Imouto's post.

Please explain to me what features the HD 7770 has over the GTX 460 and HD 6850... Obviously it's not performance considering the HD 6850 and GTX 460 are much faster than the HD 7770.

DX11.1. In the case of 7770 vs. 6850, the 7770 has much better compute capability and better perf/watt.

I am not arguing that the 7770 is a better buy than the 6850 or 460, for the second time. Stop with the straw man crap, and learn to read.

So what if it's older tech? It's much faster.

Finally, a 550mm² die beats a die that's a fifth of the size and only one generation ahead? You don't say?

You clearly have a pathetic understanding of GPUs. A upper-mid range card beating a low end card -- when the low end card has only one fab generation advantage -- is not an accomplishment.

 

[minitron]

I understand that. Since you lack reading comprehension skills and must be spoon-fed everything, I was specifically targeting his assertion that the 470 was somehow a good purchase compared to the 7770. It's not even in the same price range, and is irrelevant.

I really don't understand why you're on the internet if you are incapable of reading. The comment Balla made was about the 560 non-Ti, in response to Imouto's post.

DX11.1. In the case of 7770 vs. 6850, the 7770 has much better compute capability and better perf/watt.

I am not arguing that the 7770 is a better buy than the 6850 or 460, for the second time. Stop with the straw man crap, and learn to read.

I never said anything about actually buying the GTX 470; I just noted it crushes the HD 7770 and it's reasonable to consume more energy.

Obviously you were confused that he was first referring to the non-Ti instead of the Ti when saying the 460 is comparable. Here are the quotes.
Him:

It's not a 560 Ti, it's a 560.

You:

OTOH, I find it funny that he's trying to argue that a GF114 based 460 isn't similar to the 560 -- they're the same chip.

It was obvious you didn't know what you were talking about or was trying to make a very biased post.

If you think the HD 6850 and GTX 460 are better values, why are you even posting about the HD 7770 and all it's "features."

You still have yet to explain what DX11.1 features the HD 7770 is able to actually utilize that makes it "newer" technology.

It's not hard to understand: for $5 more you get much higher performance with the HD 6850 and GTX 460 than the HD 7770. How is "A upper-mid range card beating a low end card -- when the low end card has only one fab generation advantage" even relevant when they're the same price?

Clearly the GTX 460 is in the low-end now and competes with the HD 7770. Well more like wipes the floor with.

 

[richaron]

Once again, you're comparing the HD 7770 OC to stock GTX 460 V1 and stock HD 6850, both of which can overclock past HD 6870 levels. Cheapest HD 7770 is $135 on the egg, cheapest GTX 460 is $140. This is not counting fail-in-rebates.

I've seen many 7770 for ~$110... You're comparing an overpriced 7770 with bad drivers, against a cheap 460 v2 with year old support.

7770 is a better buy; it will live longer, perform about as well(/better?) in new games, and it will use less power in it's lifetime (~enough~ to buy another ~$100 card in a few years).

 

[minitron]

I've seen many 7770 for ~$110... You're comparing an overpriced 7770 with bad drivers, against a cheap 460 v2 with year old support.

7770 is a better buy; it will live longer, perform about as well(/better?) in new games, and it will use less power in it's lifetime (~enough~ to buy another ~$100 card in a few years).

No, the GTX 460 is faster and will continue to be faster.

Please find me a HD 7770 for $110 before rebates.

 

[Arkadrel]

@minitron

7770 1ghz edition without rebates on newegg are like 120$.
460 1gb on newegg can be found for 125$ (a 720mhz model (675->720 = 6% over stock).

without overclocking either of them past what they come as, they will probably be within 5% of each other (judgeing by techpowerup charts, with old drivers).

If you took the 460 1gb to 900mhz and the 7770 to 1300mhz, which would be faster?
With newest drivers? I think the 7770 would be so close again it would be a wash.

The 7770 is not a bad buy at its price, esp not if you consider the less power/heat ect that comes with useing it instead of the 460. And dispite what you think, there is new stuff that comes with the 7770 that older gen cards dont have.

 

[Homeles]

I never said anything about actually buying the GTX 470; I just noted it crushes the HD 7770 and it's reasonable to consume more energy.

Yeah... it's in a completely different segment, and therefore irrelevant. My point was that even if it were in the same segment, the power consumption difference would have a noticeable effect on the total cost of each card over their respective lifetimes. Yes, the 470 outperforms the 7770, but performance vs. power is subjective. It is up to the buyer to decide which is more important.

Obviously you were confused that he was first referring to the non-Ti instead of the Ti when saying the 460 is comparable. Here are the quotes.
Him:You:It was obvious you didn't know what you were talking about or was trying to make a very biased post.

Er, I was siding with Balla, hence "on the other hand." Arkadrel was attacking Balla's 560 claim -- he was the one that misinterpreted Balla as talking about the Ti -- I was poking fun at that.

Really man, you should take my advice and go get an education.

If you think the HD 6850 and GTX 460 are better values, why are you even posting about the HD 7770 and all it's "features."

I am simply providing information and discrediting misinformation. I still have absolutely no idea why you are jumping in on this, because I was specifically targeting what Balla had said. I am have not and do not plan on making a recommendation on whether the 6850/460 is a better buy than the 7770. That was not my intent, so back the hell off.

You still have yet to explain what DX11.1 features the HD 7770 is able to actually utilize that makes it "newer" technology.

I don't have to. There has yet to be a good breakdown of what each feature does and why it will help. I am simply stating that the 7770 supports DX11.1 -- nothing more, nothing less. Generally, support for newer versions of DX are a big deal. I have no way of knowing whether or not it will actually be useful, but it is something to consider.

It's not hard to understand: for $5 more you get much higher performance with the HD 6850 and GTX 460 than the HD 7770. How is "A upper-mid range card beating a low end card -- when the low end card has only one fab generation advantage" even relevant when they're the same price?

Clearly the GTX 460 is in the low-end now and competes with the HD 7770. Well more like wipes the floor with.

I don't disagree. When your brain can actually register that I am not arguing against the 460 or the 6850, let me know. Until then, stop responding to my posts.

 

[minitron]

@minitron

7770 1ghz edition without rebates on newegg are like 120$.
460 1gb on newegg can be found for 125$ (a 720mhz model (675->720 = 6% over stock).

without overclocking either of them past what they come as, they will probably be within 5% of each other (judgeing by techpowerup charts, with old drivers).

If you took the 460 1gb to 900mhz and the 7770 to 1300mhz, which would be faster?
With newest drivers? I think the 7770 would be so close again it would be a wash.

The 7770 is not a bad buy at its price, esp not if you consider the less power/heat ect that comes with useing it instead of the 460. And dispite what you think, there is new stuff that comes with the 7770 that older gen cards dont have.

You're backtracking like crazy.

Please find me any evidence anyone has every clocked a HD 7770 to 1300Mhz.

Even when overclocked, it's inferior to the cards I mentioned:

I hope you understand that nvidia update their drivers too.

I don't care what you think, we know the GTX 460 is significantly faster than the HD 7770.

Again, please explain to me these new features the HD 7770 can utilize instead of blowing smoke.

Yeah... it's in a completely different segment, and therefore irrelevant. My point was that even if it were in the same segment, the power consumption difference would have a noticeable effect on the total cost of each card over their respective lifetimes. Yes, the 470 outperforms the 7770, but performance vs. power is subjective. It is up to the buyer to decide which is more important.

Er, I was siding with Balla, hence "on the other hand." Arkadrel was attacking Balla's 560 claim -- he was the one that misinterpreted Balla as talking about the Ti -- I was poking fun at that.

Really man, you should take my advice and go get an education.
I am simply providing information and discrediting misinformation. I still have absolutely no idea why you are jumping in on this, because I was specifically targeting what Balla had said. I am have not and do not plan on making a recommendation on whether the 6850/460 is a better buy than the 7770. That was not my intent, so back the hell off.
I don't have to. There has yet to be a good breakdown of what each feature does and why it will help. I am simply stating that the 7770 supports DX11.1 -- nothing more, nothing less. Generally, support for newer versions of DX are a big deal. I have no way of knowing whether or not it will actually be useful, but it is something to consider.

I don't disagree. When your brain can actually register that I am not arguing against the 460 or the 6850, let me know. Until then, stop responding to my posts.

From your own posts it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about:

OTOH, I find it funny that he's trying to argue that a GF114 based 460 isn't similar to the 560 -- they're the same chip.

You're agreeing that they're the same chip unless you don't know how to properly word a sentence. Even if you were responding to the other post, he was referring to the GTX 560 Ti (which he said was 50% faster) in which case you were wrong in either case.

I'm not going to back off this claim you have that the HD 7770 has newer features (and I originally noted usable features too).
Another quote:

Generally, support for newer versions of DX are a big deal.

Please elaborate how the HD 7770 having DX11.1 is a big deal.

As long as we're on the topic of education, what's yours? I'm guessing college freshman.

 

[Homeles]

(~enough~ to buy another ~$100 card in a few years).

Do you plan on keeping it for 10 years?

I hope you understand that nvidia update their drivers too.

Those updates don't necessarily affect older architecture's performance.

 

[Arkadrel]

@Minitron

the reason I used the summery charts, instead of cherry picking 1 like you did, is because the avg spread over many game titles is a more holistic view of the card. Some game tittles seem to favor 1 manufactor over another.

like this:

Where the 7770 is beating both the 460 1gb and 6850.
Im not really saying the 7770 is faster, but it doesnt get "wiped" by the 460.

Also about the driver stuff:

Performance highlights of AMD Catalyst 12.7 Beta

• Up to 25% Skyrim
• Up to 6% in Crysis 2
• Up to 20% in Total War: Shogun 2
• Up to 3.3% in Battlefield 3
• Up to 6.9% In 3DMark™ 11
• Up to 4.8% in Aliens vs. Predator
• Up to 6.5% in Batman: Arkham City
• Up to 8% in Crysis Warhead
• Up to 7.2% in F1 2010
• Up to 8% in Just Cause 2
• Up to 12% in Wolfenstein MP

The 7xxx series is still kinda new, and is still seeing performance increases like this.

(the drivers uses when doing this review, where early ones with lots of room for improvment, compaired to the 460 that had years of time to mature. This means that if you where to re-review them today, the 7770 might look better and the 460 probably wouldnt.)


Meanwhile the 4xx series probably wont be seeing much in terms of performance gains, because its drivers have already matured to the point where theres no more real performance to squeeze out from better writen drivers.


I think the 460 1gb is faster once manually overclocked to the limits, but at stock speeds you buy them the 1ghz 7770 can give the 460 a run for its money.

 

[minitron]

@Minitron

the reason I used the summery charts, instead of cherry picking 1 like you did, is because the avg spread over many game titles is a more holistic view of the card. Some game tittles seem to favor 1 manufactor over another.

like this:

Where the 7770 is beating both the 460 1gb and 6850.
Im not really saying the 7770 is faster, but it doesnt get "wiped" by the 460.

Also about the driver stuff:



The 7xxx series is still kinda new, and is still seeing performance increases like this.

Meanwhile the 4xx series probably wont be seeing much in terms of performance gains, because its drivers have already matured to the point where theres no more real performance to squeeze out from better writen drivers.


I think the 460 1gb is faster once manually overclocked to the limits, but at stock speeds you buy them the 1ghz 7770 can give the 460 a run for its money.

It was the only chart they had on TPU, the site you're linking from...

If you looked at the nvidia driver release notes it looks very similar:

Increases performance for GeForce 400 Series and 500 Series GPUs in several PC games vs. GeForce 296.10 WHQL-certified drivers. Results will vary depending on your GPU and system configuration:

That's for every update.

Once again, I don't care what you think, we know the GTX 460 is faster.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

At that price point, power consumption is a relative topic. I.e., the cheaper the product is, the larger power consumption is going to have on the overall cost of the card over its lifetime. The 7770 draws less than half the power of the 470. It also supports DX11.1.

Also, there aren't any (from what I can tell) GTX 470's available at retail. If you're trying to argue used vs. new, you're not going to convince anybody.

OTOH, I find it funny that he's trying to argue that a GF114 based 460 isn't similar to the 560 -- they're the same chip.

Sure it's relative, but you can't argue price difference /w use since performance differences are drastic. The only question there is do you have/are getting a quality 400~ watt psu or better to run your setup, if not you probably should go to dell.com and order your PC through them anyways.

Yep, 470 was never a great perf/watt card, just a good overall value and a very strong price/perf card since Q3 2010 they've been sub $200 retail.

Yes I'm talking used vs retail, serial based warranty makes it yours and insured for the remained of it's warrantied period. There is a huge market for used cards, your personal bias is causing you to use words like anybody when you aren't speaking for "anybody" but yourself.

After the success I've had in the used market and almost everyone adopting the serial based warranty process I'd be hard pressed to convince myself to ever purchase a new gpu again, unless it was some killer Black Friday deal. It's like buying a new car, as soon as you plug it in and turn it on it's value just dropped 20%.


Edit: TPU changed their test settings...

Yours are from Feb 14th 2012

Updated May 7th 2012 results

Performance wise the 470 is comparable to the stock 6950 in several titles, but the 470 overclocks considerably better. Would you argue against a $100 6950 in favor of a 7770?

That's a pretty huge performance gap for the same price, if you ask me anyways. Need I show you the OC potential of a reference 470 on air, I'd be more than happy to crack open a can.

 

[Homeles]

From your own posts it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about:
You're agreeing that they're the same chip unless you don't know how to properly word a sentence. Even if you were responding to the other post, he was referring to the GTX 560 Ti (which he said was 50% faster) in which case you were wrong in either case.

I'm really sick of you continually failing to understand what I'm saying. I'm speaking in plain English -- back off. You have consistently shown that you lack the ability to decipher something that is simple to understand. Since you are incapable of understanding what I meant there, let it go. It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, and was a personal quip directed at Balla.

I'm not going to back off this claim you have that the HD 7770 has newer features (and I originally noted usable features too).

Is it some sort of requirement that features must be usable at the very instant of purchase? You would think that since I'm clearly using the DX11.1 comment to convey the point that it supports something that is added in the future,

Here's a list of features that are new to GCN:

• Partially resident textures
• Eyefinity 2.0 (HD3D Eyefinity + extras)
• Discrete Digital Multi-Point Audio
• DX11.1
• Vastly improved compute performance over VLIW4
• Video Codec Engine
• Steady Video 2.0
• PCI-E 3.0
• Better image quality
• Improved tessellation

Are all of these useful? No -- just take a look at PCI-E 3.0. It's highly unlikely you'd be doing any workload that would saturate that kind of bandwidth. It's also not my job to determine whether or not they are useful -- it's subjective, and highly dependent on what the user is doing with their video card. That is for the end-user to decide -- I'm just pointing it out.

Please elaborate how the HD 7770 having DX11.1 is a big deal.

I already stated why I can't, but I did give reasoning as to why it might be. Traditionally, DX revisions have been a big deal. It's about future proofing. It might be something to consider, depending on how much an individual cares about DX 11.1 support -- that is all I am saying.

If you'd like to read about it, check here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/5

Still, there's not much out there about the numbers behind the changes, and there won't be until the launch of Win8 at the earliest.

As long as we're on the topic of education, what's yours? I'm guessing college freshman.

Sophomore.

Sure it's relative, but you can't argue price difference /w use since performance differences are drastic. The only question there is do you have/are getting a quality 400~ watt psu or better to run your setup, if not you probably should go to dell.com and order your PC through them anyways.

Yes I can argue that. If someone's building a low power rig, the 470 isn't an option. Performance isn't everything to everybody. Individual needs differ, and when strictly comparing the 470 and 7770, a power consumption-conscious user is not going to go for the 470. You're trying to argue for everybody -- I'm saying that you can't.

Yep, 470 was never a great perf/watt card, just a good overall value and a very strong price/perf card since Q3 2010 they've been sub $200 retail.

Yes I'm talking used vs retail, serial based warranty makes it yours and insured for the remained of it's warrantied period. There is a huge market for used cards, your personal bias is causing you to use words like anybody when you aren't speaking for "anybody" but yourself.

After the success I've had in the used market and almost everyone adopting the serial based warranty process I'd be hard pressed to convince myself to ever purchase a new gpu again, unless it was some killer Black Friday deal. It's like buying a new car, as soon as you plug it in and turn it on it's value just dropped 20%.

Er, you're telling my that I'm biased, but you're talking about your favorite subject -- the GTX 470?

By bringing used cards into the conversation, you are opening up a huge can of worms. I've not paid attention to this whole thread, but I do believe it's been used-GPU free up until that post. Everyone here is comparing new GPUs at retail prices -- used prices can vary quite a lot, and it's difficult to make perf/$ arguments because of that.

I don't disagree that a $100 470 wouldn't be a compelling buy... it's just not a relevant topic in this conversation.

Performance wise the 470 is comparable to the stock 6950 in several titles, but the 470 overclocks considerably better. Would you argue against a $100 6950 in favor of a 7770?

Maybe? If the user was concerned about power consumption, wanted DX11.1 support... you can't speak for everybody.

 

[minitron]

I'm really sick of you continually failing to understand what I'm saying. I'm speaking in plain English -- back off. You have consistently shown that you lack the ability to decipher something that is simple to understand. Since you are incapable of understanding what I meant there, let it go. It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, and was a personal quip directed at Balla.
Is it some sort of requirement that features must be usable at the very instant of purchase? You would think that since I'm clearly using the DX11.1 comment to convey the point that it supports something that is added in the future,

Here's a list of features that are new to GCN:

• Partially resident textures
• Eyefinity 2.0 (HD3D Eyefinity + extras)
• Discrete Digital Multi-Point Audio
• DX11.1
• Vastly improved compute performance over VLIW4
• Video Codec Engine
• Steady Video 2.0
• PCI-E 3.0
• Better image quality
• Improved tessellation

Are all of these useful? No -- just take a look at PCI-E 3.0. It's highly unlikely you'd be doing any workload that would saturate that kind of bandwidth. It's also not my job to determine whether or not they are useful -- it's subjective, and highly dependent on what the user is doing with their video card. That is for the end-user to decide -- I'm just pointing it out.
I already stated why I can't, but I did give reasoning as to why it might be. Traditionally, DX revisions have been a big deal. It's about future proofing. It might be something to consider, depending on how much an individual cares about DX 11.1 support -- that is all I am saying.

If you'd like to read about it, check here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/5

Still, there's not much out there about the numbers behind the changes, and there won't be until the launch of Win8 at the earliest.
Sophomore.

Your "plain English" is terribly worded and is either ambiguous or misleading. Maybe if you advanced past sophomore you'd understand that being concise counts for something. You can't compose a clear and concise message so don't get upset when someone misunderstands you.

Again, you're just listing features without explaining any of then including "better image quality," etc. You are still failing to explain how DX11.1 will be utilized on the HD 7770 and apparently you never will succeed at explaining this point. You mention future proofing with a $135 card? That's laughable.

Maybe you should ask for a refund for that college edumacation of yours, it's clearly not working.

 

[Homeles]

Your "plain English" is terribly worded and is either ambiguous or misleading. Maybe if you advanced past sophomore you'd understand that being concise counts for something. You can't compose a clear and concise message so don't get upset when someone misunderstands you.

I understand the importance of brevity. Unlike you, I also understand the importance of staying out of topics that aren't of concern to me.

Again, you're just listing features without explaining any of then including "better image quality," etc. You are still failing to explain how DX11.1 will be utilized on the HD 7770 and apparently you never will succeed at explaining this point. You mention future proofing with a $135 card? That's laughable.

Maybe you should ask for a refund for that college edumacation of yours.

What's really laughable is that you don't seem to care about what you're getting with your money. If a $135 card is all I can or want to afford for the next 4 years, should I not be concerned about how my card handles future applications? You are arguing for willful ignorance here -- "screw features, how it performs today is all that matters in every scenario for every user!"

You continually ignore the statements I've made in regard to DX11.1, so I'm going to ignore yours.

Also, your rhetorical skills are quite clearly in their infancy.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Hey guys, let's tone it back a bit here we're talking about inanimate objects, let's not get emotional over it.

There is always one more angle to argue, let's forgo that common tactic and just laugh at how silly this has become.

Does anyone arguing for the 7770 actually own it? Probably not, but if so I'd like to see what it's capable in an end users hands.

 

[minitron]

I understand the importance of brevity. Unlike you, I also understand the importance of staying out of topics that aren't of concern to me.


What's really laughable is that you don't seem to care about what you're getting with your money. If a $135 card is all I can or want to afford for the next 4 years, should I not be concerned about how my card handles future applications? You are arguing for willful ignorance here -- "screw features, how it performs today is all that matters in every scenario for every user!"

You continually ignore the statements I've made in regard to DX11.1, so I'm going to ignore yours.

Also, your rhetorical skills are quite clearly in their infancy.

Obviously you don't understand much of anything.

 

[Homeles]

The 7770 is junk, does anyone arguing for it actually own it? Probably not.

See, what minitron fails to understand is that I completely despise HD 7000 and GTX 600. I'm not happy with either company in regards to the current GPU market.

Obviously you don't understand much of anything.

Really, it is hilarious that we've come this far and you are still so pathetically ignorant of my position.

 

[minitron]

See, what minitron fails to understand is that I completely despise HD 7000 and GTX 600. I'm not happy with either company in regards to the current GPU market.


Really, it is hilarious that we've come this far and you are still so pathetically ignorant of my position.

Cool story, too bad you struggle to compose these thoughts into coherent posts.

Ahh yes, let's use unnecessary modifiers to make my ad-hominem attacks sound better.

Again, maybe once you've advanced past sophomore year you'll understand how to actually construct arguments.

 

[Homeles]

Cool story, too bad you struggle to compose these thoughts into coherent posts.

I do, you just lack the intellectual capacity to decipher them. Perhaps I should leave a not at the bottom of every post: "your reading comprehension skills need to be preschool level in order to understand this post."

Ahh yes, let's use unnecessary modifiers to make my ad-hominem attacks sound better.

Again, maybe once you've advanced past sophomore year you'll understand how to actually construct arguments.

Obviously you don't understand much of anything.

Hypocrite.

 

[minitron]

I do, you just lack the intellectual capacity to decipher them. Perhaps I should leave a not at the bottom of every post: "your reading comprehension skills need to be preschool level in order to understand this post."

The fact you're trying to use a larger vocabulary just to support your arguments shows how little you know.

Maybe you should ask for a refund for that college edumacation of yours, it's clearly not working.

Then again according to you DX11.1 on a $135 card is important for future proofing.