Why does Nvidia's $100 GPU always compete with AMD's $60 GPU?

[BD231]

Why cant Nvidia provide a card as good as AMD at $100?

U wouldnt hire a clown to fix a leak in the john would u? AMD is tearing down the bizz w poor drivers and crap pricing. Damn hooligins have nvidia charging folks out the ass for meager gains.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You'd be nuts to take a 480 over a 7850, seriously nuts. 480 was okay back in 2010 when it was the fastest card around, excusing it for being a small furnace that sounds like a jet engine, but now it's a turd compared to everything on the market. I've owned both and the 7850 is just as fast and faster at times and dead silent. I have the Twin Frozr 7850 linked earlier.

Heck, I sold a 570 I got back from RMAing a 480 and used the money to buy the 7850

7850 is the only decent mid-range option out there. The 580ti448 is okay, 7850 is still better though. Quieter, only costs about $200, overclocks like stink and performs as well as last gens top end single GPU.

Interesting, what are your thoughts on the 7970 which is slower, louder, and hotter than the 680? Is that a turd today? Have you heard the GHz edition, it's only slightly less noisy than the 6990 wind tunnel edition?


I wouldn't pay $200 for a 480 anymore, not with 470s reaching near the $120 mark on avg - you can find them for $100 or less if you're good, the difference between the two once OC'ed is 5%, and 256mb of vram.

7850 is a nice card, but it's not worth the money compared to the performance you can get for less than half the cost.

 

[Grooveriding]

The 7970GE overall looks to be the fastest single GPU card available.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/618?vs=555

So it is in the position of being where the 480 was two years ago. Fastest card on the market and loud. I doubt it is louder than the 480 furnace jet engine, but not having owned and used one, I can't give a comment on what it sounds like

I'd take the 7850 over a dustbuster 470 any day. Faster card, more OC headroom, better thermals, better acoustics. Just plain better. Not sure how many people are looking to buy cheap second hand cards rather than brand new 28nm tech. So that is a wasteful discussion regardless.

I'm sure if someone wanted older, loud and second hand parts, they would just get a 480 rather than a 470 anyway. I'd bet you can get second hand 480s for $100 if not less, who'd want those obnoxious crappy cards in 2012 ?

 

[lavaheadache]

Are you implying (that I had any to start with) all high performance 200+ watt cards aren't hot to touch?

yes, I am implying that. A 480 is very hot to the touch. That exposed metal heatsink gets HOT. The surface of a 7970 does not get hot like that. I had 2 480's and both got hot to the touch. My 580 was also never hot to the touch much like my previous or current 7970.

It would be nice if you had any other real world experience with a modern card aside from 470's which are ironicly Hot/power hungry and inefficient cards.

In the spirit of competition, I would love to see what 2 of your cards could do against my 7970 in all metrics since you seem to think that this gen is so unimpressive.

 

[lavaheadache]

The 7970GE overall looks to be the fastest single GPU card available.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/618?vs=555

So it is in the position of being where the 480 was two years ago. Fastest card on the market and loud. I doubt it is louder than the 480 furnace jet engine, but not having owned and used one, I can't give a comment on what it sounds like

I'd take the 7850 over a dustbuster 470 any day. Faster card, more OC headroom, better thermals, better acoustics. Just plain better. Not sure how many people are looking to buy cheap second hand cards rather than brand new 28nm tech. So that is a wasteful discussion regardless.

I'm sure if someone wanted older, loud and second hand parts, they would just get a 480 rather than a 470 anyway. I'd bet you can get second hand 480s for $100 if not less, who'd want those obnoxious crappy cards in 2012 ?

lol, didn't you have 3 of them?

 

[lavaheadache]

Interesting, what are your thoughts on the 7970 which is slower, louder, and hotter than the 680? Is that a turd today? Have you heard the GHz edition, it's only slightly less noisy than the 6990 wind tunnel edition?


I wouldn't pay $200 for a 480 anymore, not with 470s reaching near the $120 mark on avg - you can find them for $100 or less if you're good, the difference between the two once OC'ed is 5%, and 256mb of vram.

7850 is a nice card, but it's not worth the money compared to the performance you can get for less than half the cost.

 

[f1sherman]

The 7970GE overall looks to be the fastest single GPU card available.

Available?

...

AMD never ceases to find new ways to make it's shareholders unhappy.

Lost sales - not to sound too presumptuous

 

[Xcobra]

lol at these threads...

 

[Grooveriding]

lol, didn't you have 3 of them?

lol yes. I hated them so much. The performance at the time was very nice, but those were the worst cards ever in terms of everything but performance.

So freaking loud, they were ridiculous. Hot as hell.

 

[bononos]

Except the GTX 480 @ $210 beats everything at that price range.

Depends what your budget is, the 77xx offer exceptional value from AMD. I'll pay a premium for nvidia drivers, especially for SLi.

The thread was about $60 and $100 cards. Not $200 cards.
You derailed the rest of the thread from this point on talking about a hot noisy power guzzling thing thats >2x more expensive.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

lol yes. I hated them so much. The performance at the time was very nice, but those were the worst cards ever in terms of everything but performance.

So freaking loud, they were ridiculous. Hot as hell.

It's a good thing you decided to go with the 680's then.

As loud as the 470, GHz edition is louder by far than the 480, whew.

Though it's hard to say. My 470 I have on air can do a 34% overclock with 54% fan speed, not loud at all there but the stock fan profile would probably have it running something ugly like around 70% or higher fan speed.

Performance at that point is comparable with the 560ti 448 classy, which is actually faster than the 7850 last I checked. Though the 7850 does overclock nicely and puts it's performance a good 10-15% higher, is that 10-15% (maybe more?) really worth over twice the price?

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

I came here to read something reasonable about why Nvidia cannot compete with AMDs $60 GPU and we have people talking about 7970s.

But as was expected we hear vague rumbling about drivers which are logical fallacies as there is no evidence to back up AMD drivers being worse then Nvidias.

I have not seen an article and I do not believe one exists on AT that says Nvidia drivers are better than AMD drivers that is relevant to the budget field that this thread covers. Since AT is the most reputable site I know I must conclude no such problems exist. Therefore the inflated prices on budget Nvidia cards are due to misinformed people buying Nvidia just because it says Nvidia on the box.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I came here to read something reasonable about why Nvidia cannot compete with AMDs $60 GPU and we have people talking about 7970s.

My guess is because most people here on this forum don't actually care about the $100 and below market and this thread was made in jest of another.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I have not seen an article and I do not believe one exists on AT that says Nvidia drivers are better than AMD drivers that is relevant to the budget field that this thread covers. Since AT is the most reputable site I know I must conclude no such problems exist. Therefore the inflated prices on budget Nvidia cards are due to misinformed people buying Nvidia just because it says Nvidia on the box.

AMD driver problems do exist. I would own a 7750 right now if it wasn't for the driver issues with the native XBMC player and the Dolphin emulator (the two programs I use my HTPC for).

I was so excited about that 7750 before it hit. It was perfect for me. The Nvidia GPU I did get eats a lot more power, but it is rock solid in the programs I use.

 

[Vesku]

The $150+ bracket isn't part of this thread. Back on topic, Newegg often has 7770s for about $110 with rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127687

Kind of sad that a card I thought should have had another 128 GCN cores is stomping that whole tier in terms of performance. Will be surprising if GDDR5 can add the 40-50% performance jump the GT640 needs. Maybe the 650 will show up around the same time as the 660, rumored end of the monthish.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

For $110 I'd rather get the $120 aftermarket 460 with GF114.

For $10 more AMD just got stomped.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=543

 

[Vesku]

460 isn't a bad deal while still in stock but then so is the 6850. Which has more vendor variety which probably means they will be available for longer. Still feels bad knowing some kid will be getting a GT 640 DDR3 in his "gaming" machine when that money could have bought so much better.

 

[Red Hawk]

It's a good thing you decided to go with the 680's then.

As loud as the 470, GHz edition is louder by far than the 480, whew.

Though it's hard to say. My 470 I have on air can do a 34% overclock with 54% fan speed, not loud at all there but the stock fan profile would probably have it running something ugly like around 70% or higher fan speed.

Performance at that point is comparable with the 560ti 448 classy, which is actually faster than the 7850 last I checked. Though the 7850 does overclock nicely and puts it's performance a good 10-15% higher, is that 10-15% (maybe more?) really worth over twice the price?

Da heq is my 5770 doing way up in that chart?

 

[daveybrat]

I really feel like Nvidia kind of dropped the ball on the GT 640. Had they equipped it with DDR5 memory and priced it at $99, it would be a potent card for the price.

As much as i like AMD's cards, i personally prefer Nvidia drivers. I build lots of budget gaming systems so a GT 640 DDR5 card would have been perfect for me. I know there are some OEM DDR5 models out there, so maybe we'll see them soon in retail as well.

 

[OCGuy]

Who registers and posts on enthusiast forums if they have a $60 card in their main system?

 

[Final8ty]

Silly thread with bunch of mindless comments ($100 card for multi-screen gaming?) on a baseless factual premise. (Which $100 NV card is worth getting? Pray tell please)

This is what happens when a mod makes a misjudgment and let a silly thread go along. Just on the first page of this forum there are several of these already and there is no doubt more will pop up, providing all kinds of fanboys and trolls opportunities they cannot pass up.

+1

 

[Imouto]

For $110 I'd rather get the $120 aftermarket 460 with GF114.

For $10 more AMD just got stomped.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=543

Where's the 460 in that link?

I guess you didn't link to that comparison on purpose like always.

 

[Silverforce11]

Why is the Nissan GTR better than cars 2-3 times its priced and ppl still buy cars 2-3 times its priced???

Ignorance or vanity?

 

[Silverforce11]

As loud as the 470, GHz edition is louder by far than the 480, whew.

Except you do realize no GE is going to come with the reference cooler/fan?? Comparing an engineering sample vs reality is a) pointless b) stupid c) why are we talking about this??

 

[Lonyo]

Who registers and posts on enthusiast forums if they have a $60 card in their main system?

Why do they have to have it in their main system?
Enthusiasts have many systems.