Why does nvidia cheat so much?

[blackened23]

I did like what the CEO offered about being more aggressive and to be the predator.

If you're talking about what i'm thinking of, yeah it is pretty hilarious. He was basically justifying unethical business practices....obviously according to him anyone can make a GPU so they need to hijack other GPU makers through software. Pure scum.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/catalyst-11-8-performance-analysis-vs-11-5-and-geforce-280-26/3

From that chart comparing the 6970 with latest drivers to the GTX 580, they're pretty close except for known nvidia titles. Metro 2033, crysis 2, etc. They can't win fairly so hey, lets pay developers to cheat. Good stuff man.

And anyone saying AMD does the same thing? If you say so. When did AMD intentionally hijack a game to run poorly on nvidia hardware? Oh yeah thats right, never.

 

[SirPauly]

Only thing scumbag about nVidia imo was when they screwed around with Batman AA. That ticked me off because if you change the GPU ID from AMD cards to nVidia cards the AA config worked fine.

That really didn't bother me because there was a lot of grey territory but what did was the nVidia 3dmark optimizations back years ago -- that really bothered me.

 

[SirPauly]

If you're talking about what i'm thinking of, yeah it is pretty hilarious. He was basically justifying unethical business practices....obviously according to him anyone can make a GPU so they need to hijack other GPU makers through software. Pure scum.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/catalyst-11-8-performance-analysis-vs-11-5-and-geforce-280-26/3

From that chart comparing the 6970 with latest drivers to the GTX 580, they're pretty close except for known nvidia titles. Metro 2033, crysis 2, etc. They can't win fairly so hey, lets pay developers to cheat. Good stuff man.

And anyone saying AMD does the same thing? If you say so. When did AMD intentionally hijack a game to run poorly on nvidia hardware? Oh yeah thats right, never.

I don't know if we are:


New CEO of AMD : We Need to Become Predators, Aggressors.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...D_We_Need_to_Become_Predators_Aggressors.html

I think he hit the nail right on the head.

 

[blackened23]

I don't know if we are:


New CEO of AMD : We Need to Become Predators, Aggressors.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...D_We_Need_to_Become_Predators_Aggressors.html

I think he hit the nail right on the head.

So AMD wants to become more like nvidia.....nice!

Looked like a pretty good motivational speech, wish it hadn't been cut off.

 

[blackened23]

That really didn't bother me because there was a lot of grey territory but what did was the nVidia 3dmark optimizations back years ago -- that really bothered me.

As questionable as that is, it doesn't affect consumers directly, just their perception. Now fucking around in a game just to make it look bad on a competetors product? Pretty shady. I don't buy the whole "but we developed AA!" argument. Give me a break...we're talking about anti aliasing which has been around since god knows when. Not something nvidia specific.

Nvidia has also done this kind of crap with numerous games, metro 2033, age of conan, etc. Would be glorious if karma came and bit them in the ass. AMD has never fucked with a game in a manner to make it look bad on nvidia hardware - maybe thats what they should start doing, now that they have new leadership.

 

[96Firebird]

Must suck to be second best...

 

[blackened23]

Must suck to be second best...

Well the good news is that nvidia isn't even concentrating on the high end PC GPU market now. They're almost completely focused on their mobile strategy - and their CEO stated as much. Lets face it, PC gaming is on its last leg - Developers can't get published unless they're making a multi platform game - unless its an MMO or budgetware (simcity). The only exceptions are blizzard and valve, and diablo 3 will be going to consoles as well, it is in development. GeorgeB of Epic had a great writeup on this on another forum, about how the gaming dynamic has changed and you have to be cross platform to be successful....witness ID Software - formerly the kings of PC developing, now multi platform for profitability. Blizzard is under intense pressure to go multi platform for profits, because PC games don't sell jack unless you're the top 1% of the business. (which blizzard is)...so they hired a team to port diablo 3 to both consoles. Bethesda basically told id software, Rage won't be published unless its multi platform. How's that?

So in the big picture, PC GPU's don't mean a fucking thing. You're delusional if you think otherwise -- revenues from this business have been going down for a while. Nvidia knows that the business is declining and thats why they're focused on their new mobile strategy. Go look at their CEO's last address if you will.

Anyone who's been around for any length of time knows that the GPU crown has gone back and forth several times. Since nvidia doesn't care about high end GPU's anymore, and AMD is powering not one but *both* next gen consoles -- tides could easily turn. And if the PC GPU business goes bust, AMD still has contracts for both next gen consoles.

 

[mosox]

I don't know if we are:


New CEO of AMD : We Need to Become Predators, Aggressors.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...D_We_Need_to_Become_Predators_Aggressors.html

I think he hit the nail right on the head.

wat

Fire his ass, nobody needs this. The result will be a split in the GPU gaming market, each side giving low blows to the other. Tell Mr Gordon Gekko to go work for Nvidia or Apple.

 

[SirPauly]

So AMD wants to become more like nvidia.....nice!

Be careful what you wish for!

Five years from now some posters trade sides:

WTF? AMD is crippling with nefarious intent and offering too much RayTracing in gaming titles. I can't tell the difference and nVidia says you don't need that much. Look at the screenshot and tell me there is a difference?

It is subtle, but there, and you're always complaining, AMD is doing what is best for their customers and AMD can offer huge amounts of Raytracing and tessellation

You don't need those levels and it is obvious that this is part of their aggressive, predator plan to divide the gamer

Ask nVidia to do more and use that energy in a constructive way

Puppets, I say puppets

 

[PCboy]

So has AMD, back then they were also applying optimizations for benchmarks through their drivers, same as Nvidia.

Though I have to say Nvidia looks worse to me in the anti-consumer practices department.

Nvidia will definitely win in that regard. AMD has the decency not to write drivers that burn up your video cards... (196.75, good times :thumbsdown or disable PhysX when an ATI card is present.

 

[Firestorm007]

Must suck to be second best...

Second Best at what?

 

[blackened23]

Second Best at what?

Intentionally burning out cards through drivers to force new sales is pretty ingenious And no, i'm not serious.

 

[Keysplayr]

Hey, if you can't beat em......... You know the rest.

 

[Firestorm007]

Hey, if you can't beat em......... You know the rest.

Take them out to dinner?

 

[Keysplayr]

Take them out to dinner?

So you don't know the rest. Ok.

If you can't beat them, join them.

This is the saying that went through my head looking at the new AMD CEO's speech.

 

[Firestorm007]

So you don't know the rest. Ok.

If you can't beat them, join them.

This is the saying that went through my head looking at the new AMD CEO's speech.

It was only a joke, my friend.

 

[Keysplayr]

It was only a joke, my friend.

Sorry. It's late. I'm tired.

 

[96Firebird]

Second Best at what?

Sabotaging our future, duh...

 

[Firestorm007]

Sabotaging our future, duh...

Touche!

 

[3DVagabond]

If you can't beat them, join them.

Fight fire with fire, seems more fitting. That said, I hope that it doesn't come down to the two GPU (or CPU) manufacturers relying on noncompetitive practices. We'll both be the losers if that occurs.

 

[lehtv]

If you can't beat them, then you suck. That seems approrpriate IMO. We'll see if AMD will suck.

 

[imaheadcase]

Funny how people call optimizing cheating now.

Thats like saying someone playing a FPS is cheating because they have broadband and other person has dialup.

 

[blackened23]

Funny how people call optimizing cheating now.

Thats like saying someone playing a FPS is cheating because they have broadband and other person has dialup.

Lets make one thing clear. OPTIMIZATION AND MALICIOUS CODE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. You'd have to blind to think that this stuff is in any way, shape, or form , "optimization".

You didn't read those links at all did you? Nvidia didn't optimize anything, they created tesselation intentionally in ways that wasn't even visible (beneath the world) , didn't improve image quality, and was manipulated in a way to be SOLELY malicious to non nvidia users. NVIDIA put malicious code in Batman : AA that disabled AA on non nvidia GPUs. Please for the love of god tell me how putting code in a game to disable AA on competing hardware is optimization?

Nvidia puts malicious code in games to intentionally disable features and run dummy features on non nvidia hardware, that isn't designed to optimize it for nvidia - this has gone on for years and for too long.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/21404/1

http://www.techpowerup.com/104868/B...nables_AA_Only_on_NVIDIA_Hardware_on_PCs.html

Those are just 2 examples, there are more, like age of conan, metro 2033, FC2 and others.

 

[greenhawk]

if you change the GPU ID from AMD cards to nVidia cards the AA config worked fine.

any program that limit's it's running in such a fashion gets me ticked off. Age Of Empires 3 IIRC did the same thing. It checked the OS and refused to install on some systems, even though it worked perfectly fine once you got around the check-on-install crap.

 

[Seero]

Those who believe the gaming will split, worry not, it did long time ago. From handheld to console to computer. Each sector has multiple selection. For handheld you have 3ds, psp, and now angrybird. For consoles we have Wii, PS3, xbox360. For computer, we have MAC and PC. Everyone likes Dx11, but no love for OpenGL. Split? Soon we will have games that can play on your phone and your computer. I just never understand why console players has a separate network from PC players. It will only be in AMD's or Nvidia's dreams to have their own sector of gaming.

For AMD to take off, first they have to fix bulldozer, then release a video card that really support Dx11 to its max. Bring on CPU/GPU that was truely cheap and yet powerful like they once did, many many years ago. Maybe then, they can start saying something as a leader. At the beginning, AMD didn't have PR to promote their product, it simply hit the market like a bomb. 1/3 of the price, same performance, and overclock like no limit. Now? Bulldozer running in the wrong direction, not smart with phones, and continuously call foul and have fanboys cry out loud for everything they are not good at. Really hard to see?

I for one don't mind AMD coming up with something proprietary that changes gaming. If it is good enough for people to jump ship, then god bless Nvidia. Eyefinity is a joke. If AMD depends on it, than they are doomed. They need something that gain traction, something that makes people say "Nvidia, learn!" or "Intel, learn!" So what if it is proprietary? google copy Iphone, google purchase patients, MS copy IOS and they sue each other for no good reason. This is how business runs nowadays. ICQ? What is that? MSN/Yahoo FTW! Friendster? What is that? Facebook FTW! Oh wait Google+ For the future WIN! Proprietary? Sue me later bro.

Cut the PR and show me capable hardwares AMD! How many who were once diehard fans and swore Intel sucks and are currently using Intel CPU? How many who were once ATI diehard fans who are now using Thermi? Expect loyalty? Get real! I pay you bro. If you can't deliver, then don't expect a damn from me! Nuff said.

/back to the nice Seero.